British nurse found guilty of murdering seven babies

[Blackleaf]

It's actually not known why she killed seven babies and attempted to kill seven more. She has never said why she did and there is no firm evidence as to why she did it.

All we know, after a ten month trial in which a jury found her guilty "beyond reasonable doubt" after thoroughly examining the evidence, is that she did.

For that she received not one life sentence with no possibility of parole but 14 of them.

And that, in my opinion, is a worse punishment than death. It's such a horrific punishment that she is to be put on continuous suicide watch to make sure she doesn't opt for self-execution in order to end the punishment she has been given.

Just imagine: Right now, at 1:46am, she is in her cell knowing that she will never be free again. Never go to the beach. Never go for a walk in the countryside. Never drink alcohol in a lovely pub. Never go on holiday. And all the while, she'll have to spend the rest of her life making sure she isn't done in by fellow convicts who don't take too kindly to child killers.

So Letby's punishment is far worse than death. It's such a terrible punishment that she's just the fourth woman to receive it.

 

[Blackleaf]

"The Killer Hiding in Plain Sight" - As one of Britain's most prolific child killers is sentenced to die in prison, here's a documentary of her evil crimes

 

[Dexter Sinister]

To her it is. She probably PTSDed out from a miscarriage or had a late abortion.

Perhaps, but reliable data isn’t easy to find and what data there is doesn’t particularly suggest those factors specifically. The numbers are pretty small to begin with so statistical reliability is an issue, but they do seem to suggest that men and women are about equally likely to kill children, they generally kill their own or their partners’ children, and women tend to kill children at younger ages, The children’s ages I mean, not the mothers’.
And of course they’re correlated with other negative indicators of social and economic well being, like poverty, mental illness, a history of domestic violence and abuse, stuff like that. But really the sample is too small to draw reliable conclusions, only about 30 cases a year are reported Canada and I don’t think this is a case where comparison with U.S. numbers would be meaningful.

 

[petros]

Perhaps, but reliable data isn’t easy to find and what data there is doesn’t particularly suggest those factors specifically. The numbers are pretty small to begin with so statistical reliability is an issue, but they do seem to suggest that men and women are about equally likely to kill children, they generally kill their own or their partners’ children, and women tend to kill children at younger ages, The children’s ages I mean, not the mothers’.
And of course they’re correlated with other negative indicators of social and economic well being, like poverty, mental illness, a history of domestic violence and abuse, stuff like that. But really the sample is too small to draw reliable conclusions, only about 30 cases a year are reported Canada and I don’t think this is a case where comparison with U.S. numbers would be meaningful.

Its specific in this case. Something about premies fires off a huge oxytocin surge upon a nasty group of neurons that fire in reverse. It sets off a hate/violent response instead of love and nurture which would be the expected response.

That's a trauma wound. No excuse tho, she could have talked to someone.

 

[Blackleaf]

This is horrific. It's like something from a horror movie:

Nurse Lucy Letby, 33, who has just been given 14 whole life tariffs for murdering seven babies and attempting to murder another seven at a hospital in Chester, may have taken her inspiration from nurse Beverley Allitt who, in 1993, was given 13 life sentences for murdering four children, attempting to murder three and causing GBH to six others at a hospital in Lincolnshire in 1991.

Allitt, dubbed the "Angel of Death", was ordered to serve a minimum of 30 years and she is still in prison to this day aged 54.



Kayley Asher was just 15 months old when Allitt tried to kill her. Allitt injected an air bubble into her arm, which caused the toddler’s lungs to collapse and triggered two cardiac arrests. Letby attacked many of her victims the same way.

Now aged 33 Kayley has been terrified that Letby is going to come and get her...

Woman attacked by 'Angel of Death' as baby asks if Lucy Letby is coming for her

Letby attacked many of her tiny victims in the same way as Beverley Allitt, who was given 13 life sentences in 1993 for murdering four children in her care and harming nine others

www.google.com

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Brits are so cute.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Its specific in this case. Something about premies fires off a huge oxytocin surge upon a nasty group of neurons that fire in reverse. It sets off a hate/violent response instead of love and nurture which would be the expected response.

That's a trauma wound. No excuse tho, she could have talked to someone.

Where are you getting this information? I’ve found nothing in her biographical details about possible PTSD from abortion or miscarriage, nor have I found anything about premature babies suffering that reversal of neuron firings you describe, or even any suggestion that she is one, assuming that‘s what you mean by the word premie, usually I see it as preemie. Both my children are preemies and show no such behaviour.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Where are you getting this information? I’ve found nothing in her biographical details about possible PTSD from abortion or miscarriage, nor have I found anything about premature babies suffering that reversal of neuron firings you describe, or even any suggestion that she is one, assuming that‘s what you mean by the word premie, usually I see it as preemie. Both my children are preemies and show no such behaviour.

I'm pretty sure it was demonic possession. I got this really old book, see. . .

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I'm pretty sure it was demonic possession. I got this really old book, see. . .

What, the Malleus Maleficarum? I thought that had been discredited centuries ago.

 

[petros]

Where are you getting this information? I’ve found nothing in her biographical details about possible PTSD from abortion or miscarriage, nor have I found anything about premature babies suffering that reversal of neuron firings you describe, or even any suggestion that she is one, assuming that‘s what you mean by the word premie, usually I see it as preemie. Both my children are preemies and show no such behaviour.

What WAS Lucy Letby's motive? Killer wrote 'I will never marry or have children, I will never know what it's like to have a family' and had a doctor's memoir on her bedside cabinet about being ill after a miscarriage​

By Iwan Stone and Liz Hull and Nigel BunyanUpdated: 21:53 22 Aug 2023

What WAS Lucy Letby's motive? Killer wrote 'I will never marry'

The neonatal nurse, 33, was sentenced to die in jail after being found guilty of killing seven babies at the Countess of Chester hospital where she worked and the attempted murder of seven more.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Letby suffered from an underactive thyroid - a condition that can make it difficult to conceive and cause problems during pregnancy

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

What, the Malleus Maleficarum? I thought that had been discredited centuries ago.

Perhaps it was an imbalance in her bodily humours.

Really old books have all the answers.

 

[petros]

Perhaps it was an imbalance in her bodily humours.

Really old books have all the answers.

Plain ol reading is probably the key rather than old books but....

 

[Dexter Sinister]

What WAS Lucy Letby's motive? Killer wrote 'I will never marry or have children, I will never know what it's like to have a family' and had a doctor's memoir on her bedside cabinet about being ill after a miscarriage​

By Iwan Stone and Liz Hull and Nigel BunyanUpdated: 21:53 22 Aug 2023

What WAS Lucy Letby's motive? Killer wrote 'I will never marry'

The neonatal nurse, 33, was sentenced to die in jail after being found guilty of killing seven babies at the Countess of Chester hospital where she worked and the attempted murder of seven more.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Letby suffered from an underactive thyroid - a condition that can make it difficult to conceive and cause problems during pregnancy

Yeah, I did see that article before. There's nothing in it that confirms what you've claimed, quite the opposite in fact, it clearly states "But nothing in her background or childhood has been found to explain her killing spree..." So far it looks like you're speculating well beyond the data you have. Nothing wrong with speculation as such, as long as it's clear that's what you're doing, but it's not.

 

[petros]

Yeah, I did see that article before. There's nothing in it that confirms what you've claimed, quite the opposite in fact, it clearly states "But nothing in her background or childhood has been found to explain her killing spree..." So far it looks like you're speculating well beyond the data you have. Nothing wrong with speculation as such, as long as it's clear that's what you're doing, but it's not.

If you want to argue this with my source who has 30+ years in psych and social behaviour be my guest. If she says this girl has wounds she has wounds. She is more than qualified.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

No I’m not interested arguing with your unidentified source, obviously Lucy Letby has wounds, but you miss the point entirely. Unless your anonymous expert has interviewed Letby, which seems unlikely, she can have no more knowledge of what her wounds are than you do, yet you’re offering speculation as if you do. You’ve offered nothing to suggest Letby was a preemie, that she suffered PTSD from a miscarriage or abortion, or that preemies suffer from that reverse neuron firing as adults you described, or even that the phenomenon exists.

 

[petros]

No I’m not interested arguing with your unidentified source, obviously Lucy Letby has wounds, but you miss the point entirely. Unless your anonymous expert has interviewed Letby, which seems unlikely, she can have no more knowledge of what her wounds are than you do, yet you’re offering speculation as if you do. You’ve offered nothing to suggest Letby was a preemie, that she suffered PTSD from a miscarriage or abortion, or that preemies suffer from that reverse neuron firing as adults you described, or even that the phenomenon exists.

Do you have lysdexia?

You'd best read what I wrote the first time.

Seriously, you really misread. Big time.

Letby suffered from an underactive thyroid - a condition that can make it difficult to conceive and cause problems during pregnancy

Facts about hypothyroidism and pregnancy
Many symptoms of hypothyroidism are similar to pregnancy symptoms. For example, fatigue, weight gain, and abnormal menstruation are common to both. Having low thyroid hormone levels may even interfere with becoming pregnant or be a cause of miscarriage.

'I will never marry or have children, I will never know what it's like to have a family'

PTSD and oxytocin...

The Associations Between Oxytocin and Trauma in Humans: A Systematic Review - PMC

Studies have shown that traumatic experiences may affect hormonal systems mediated by the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis and the oxytocinergic system. This effect is the result of long-term impairments in hypothalamic structures and ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Dexter Sinister]

No I did not misread you. The only thing we know for sure is that she has an underactive thyroid, we don’t know that she has or had any of the other conditions, that hasn’t appeared in the evidence. To be fair you did initially say she “probably “ PTSDd out over an abortion or miscarriage, clearly speculating at that point, but as the exchange progressed that turned into apparently factual claims about things we don’t know about her . I’m not claiming you’re wrong, only that we don’t know. That’s obviously a badly damaged mind,but we don’t know the causes and any claims to the contrary are just speculation. That’s only point I’ve tried to make.

 

[petros]

No I did not misread you. The only thing we know for sure is that she has an underactive thyroid, we don’t know that she has or had any of the other conditions, that hasn’t appeared in the evidence. To be fair you did initially say she “probably “ PTSDd out over an abortion or miscarriage, clearly speculating at that point, but as the exchange progressed that turned into apparently factual claims about things we don’t know about her . I’m not claiming you’re wrong, only that we don’t know. That’s obviously a badly damaged mind,but we don’t know the causes and any claims to the contrary are just speculation. That’s only point I’ve tried to make.

Do you need to know the make, model, tire size, colour, year, height, width, weight and fuel mileage of a truck to know when someone was run over by a truck?

Would you be able to figure out it wasnt a car because the damage is head to toe and not just the lower limbs?

Yes or no?

 

[55Mercury]

we hold these unknown truths to be self-evident

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Well now you’re getting silly, petros. I think we’ve reached the point of diminishing returns in this exchange. You think I’m not comprehending you and I think you’re extrapolating beyond the evidence we have. Perhaps face to face over a glass of good brew and a sandwich at some congenial pub—always one of my preferred ways of learning how other people think—we could arrive at some mutual understanding, but it’s not going to work when all we can do is type at each other. I think that’d be a good conversation, you’re obviously a bright guy and well informed about a lot of things and—no false modesty here—so am I, but without the non-verbal clues good communication so relies on we’re just going to continue at cross purposes. If you ever worked at any of the mining and exploration companies in Saskatoon, notably Cameco or any of its joint venture partners, we might even recognize each other if we ever cross paths in person.