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A store owner was killed over a Pride flag she flew in front of her California business
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Published Aug 20, 2023 • 1 minute read

CEDAR GLEN, Calif. (AP) — A dispute over an LGBTQ+ pride flag at a California clothing store spiraled into deadly violence this weekend when a man shot and killed the 66-year-old business owner right in front of her shop, authorities said.

The man ran away from the store after the shooting Friday night but was later found and killed in a confrontation with officers from the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department.


The agency said Laura Ann Carleton was pronounced dead at Mag.Pi, the store she owned and operated in Cedar Glen. The small community in the San Bernadino Mountains is roughly 60 miles (96 kilometers) east of downtown Los Angeles.


Before the shooting, the man “made several disparaging remarks about a rainbow flag that stood outside the store,” sheriff’s officials said.

It was not immediately clear what happened when officers confronted the man, whose identity hadn’t been released as of Sunday.

Carleton, who preferred to be called “Lauri,” is survived by her husband and nine children in a blended family.

An LGBTQ group in nearby Lake Arrowhead said Carleton didn’t identify as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. But she spent time helping and advocating for everyone, and was defending her Pride flags placed in front of her shop on the night of the shooting, the group said.

There was an outpouring of support on social media over the weekend, with commenters expressing shock and sadness on the store’s accounts. Many included rainbow flag emojis.

Law enforcement agencies in several states have investigated the destruction of rainbow Pride flags as potential hate crimes in recent years.
 

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A new conservative hero is born.

Well, dies actually, but that's the price of fame sometimes.
Funny , no where in the posted article does it mention conservative . Are only right wingers opposed to the pride agenda , or is that just your hatred showing ?
 

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Swimmer Riley Gaines says she was “ambushed and physically hit” and forced to barricade for three hours from a mob of trans-rights protesters who stormed her speech about protecting women’s sports.

The 12-time All-American champ — a former competitor of controversial trans swimmer Lia Thomas -— shared alarming footage of cops hustling her to safety late Thursday at San Francisco State University.
Former NCAA swimmer Riley Gaines said she was assaulted Thursday on the campus of San Francisco State University.

Gaines was at the school to speak about her views opposing the inclusion of transgender athletes in women's sports, according to the event announcement.

A video Gaines posted from the event showed her moving quickly while surrounded by security officers. A protester can be heard shouting "trans rights are human rights," but the video is shaky and does not appear to show an assault.
Gaines commented: "The prisoners are running the asylum at SFSU...I was ambushed and physically hit twice by a man (…but did this person “identify” as a man?).

This is proof that women need sex-protected spaces. Still only further assures me I'm doing something right. When they want you silent, speak louder."
Former NCAA swimmer Riley Gaines was barricaded in a room at San Francisco State University Thursday night after she was physically assaulted following a speech to students about saving women's sports at a Turning Point USA and Leadership Institute event on the campus.

Louis Barker, Riley's husband, said he had brief conversations with her while she was barricaded in the room for nearly three hours.

"She told me she was hit multiple times by a guy in a dress. I was shaking. It made me that mad. It makes me sick to feel so helpless about it," Barker said. "She was under police protection and was still hit by a man wearing a dress."

"Instead of a thoughtful discussion tonight at SFSU, Riley was violently accosted, shouted at, physically assaulted, and barricaded in a room by protestors. It is stunning that in America in 2023, it is acceptable for biological male students (in a dress, may or may not identify as Scottish) to violently assault a woman for standing up for women’s rights.
World Aquatics has made a brave and sensible compromise on the issue of transgender athletes participating in elite tournaments.

The governing body for swimming announced it will create a special “open” category for all, so that transgender athletes can compete fairly in the upcoming World Cup in Berlin this October.

“This pioneering pilot project highlights the organization’s unwavering commitment to inclusivity,” World Aquatics said in a statement. Last year, it banned transgender swimmers from swimming in elite women’s events. Only those who had transitioned before the age of 12 and who met other physical development guidelines could compete alongside women.

The new category will include 50-metre and 100-metre competition in all strokes and will be open to people of all sex and gender identities.

This opens the way for other sports to find reasonable accommodation for all athletes. It’s unfair to allow people who have gone through puberty as a male to compete in women’s races. The case of U.S. college swimmer Lia Thomas has created hostility and disappointment for many young women, who’d trained for years, only to have their triumphs eclipsed. Thomas was a mediocre competitor in the male swim category but broke records when she transitioned and swam against women.

There are those who argue trans athletes don’t have an advantage in women’s sports. It’s hard to take those claims seriously. The reason men and women compete separately is because it’s acknowledged men’s and women’s bodies are different. People who have gone through puberty as a male tend to be taller, stronger and more muscular. Ironically, the people who told us to “follow the science” on COVID are the people now telling us to ignore the science on transgender athletes. Science says females have two X chromosomes and men have one X and one Y chromosome. It should be easy to decide which team you’re on.

How you chose to live your life, or dress or behave is your business. It becomes other people’s business when you crush the dreams of young women who’ve trained for decades to compete fairly in elite sports.
 

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"There are those who argue trans athletes don’t have an advantage in women’s sports. It’s hard to take those claims seriously. The reason men and women compete separately is because it’s acknowledged men’s and women’s bodies are different. People who have gone through puberty as a male tend to be taller, stronger and more muscular. Ironically, the people who told us to “follow the science” on COVID are the people now telling us to ignore the science on transgender athletes. Science says females have two X chromosomes and men have one X and one Y chromosome. It should be easy to decide which team you’re on."

Except that a lot of this part is BS.

Could'a gotten on board with this otherwise.

Oh well; ignorance to the Blissful, as usual.

Interesting though:

"The new category will include 50-metre and 100-metre competition in all strokes and will be open to people of all sex and gender identities."

Then WHY the hell have categories anymore anyway?

Guess Logic doesn't work for this person either.
 

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…Interesting though:

"The new category will include 50-metre and 100-metre competition in all strokes and will be open to people of all sex and gender identities."

Then WHY the hell have categories anymore anyway?

Guess Logic doesn't work for this person either.
I’m guessing so it doesn’t discriminate against the other 72 (or whatever the current number is because I know I’m out of date) genders, or those that flip back-and-forth through the day or whatever, or future genders, that nobody has thought of yet?

For this specific special open class, if it’s being held as wide open, it would be interesting to see it also open to those completely jacked up on Steroids & HGH to see the extremes of human potential if the rules are tossed out window.
 

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I’m guessing so it doesn’t discriminate against the other 72 (or whatever the current number is because I know I’m out of date) genders, or those that flip back-and-forth through the day or whatever, or future genders, that nobody has thought of yet?

For this specific special open class, if it’s being held as wide open, it would be interesting to see it also open to those completely jacked up on Steroids & HGH to see the extremes of human potential if the rules are tossed out window.

Well, since I'm one of those "flip back and forth" gender types, that's not how it works but... whatever I guess.

In the end, straight crybaby snowflakes will ruin sports like everything else because their feefees.
 

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Well, since I'm one of those "flip back and forth" gender types, that's not how it works but... whatever I guess.

In the end, straight crybaby snowflakes will ruin sports like everything else because their feefees.
Rapid cycling type 2 bi-polar sure as fuck is binary.
 

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Well, since I'm one of those "flip back and forth" gender types, that's not how it works but... whatever I guess.
So if you were an athlete in competition, which “gender” of sports would you compete in, or would that change day to day (?) or would you be in one class or the other (Male or Female)?
In the end, straight crybaby snowflakes will ruin sports like everything else because their feefees.
Like this Riley Gaines, or others, for example?
 

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So if you were an athlete in competition, which “gender” of sports would you compete in, or would that change day to day (?) or would you be in one class or the other (Male or Female)?

Like this Riley Gaines, or others, for example?

Flip-flop, feefees, snowflake, straight crybaby...whatever I guess.

Sounds a typical type 2 bipolar running on grandiose narcissism (male) until the crash (female).

Treatable with meds and diet.

A rapid cycling pattern may occur in about 10% to 20% of people with the disorder. Women, and people with bipolar II disorder, are more likely to experience periods of rapid cycling. Most people are in their late teens or early 20s when symptoms of bipolar disorder first start.
 

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I am of the position that if you are to allow trans-women to compete, you should just remove the gender separation and have a combined competition. Whomever wins wins.
 
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Wisconsin parents fuming after trans athlete allegedly gives girls welts at practice
Author of the article:postmedia News
Published Aug 14, 2023 • Last updated 1 week ago • 1 minute read

Parents in Wisconsin are livid and say their daughters won’t participate in a sport at their school if a transgender athlete is involved.


According to Fox 11 in Green Bay, the group of parents said their daughters were coming home from summer games and practices with welts and bruises. They said they’d never noticed these type of marks on their children before, the outlet reported.


The parents declined to specify which sports and school is involved in the controversy, citing confidentiality concerns, but the school does belong to the Green Bay Area Public School District.

FOX 11 said it spoke with three sets of parents and each cites concerns over fairness and safety, in particular as it relates to biological males participating alongside biological women.

“They’re just not used to the ball coming at them that hard,” one parent, Ryan Gusick, said, adding, “A lot of these girls are specifically quitting this team because they’re concerned for their safety.”


Worried mom Heather Longlais said the student under scrutiny has the “most power” out of all members on the team.



While Longlais said she isn’t opposed to trans students having a “seat at the table,” she said that seat doesn’t need to be at the “girls’ table,” particularly referencing biological males transitioning to female.

Parents interviewed said their daughters won’t participate in the sport this fall if the athlete is allowed to participate going forward.

The district provided a statement to FOX 11.

“(The district) cares about the well-being of every student. All decisions regarding a student’s ability to participate in co-curricular athletics/activities are made in accordance with Title IX law, Board policy, and WIAA (Wisconsin Interscholastic Athletic Association) regulations.”
 

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So if you were an athlete in competition, which “gender” of sports would you compete in, or would that change day to day (?) or would you be in one class or the other (Male or Female)?

Since I have no issue with my gender status being female, I would be good with being factored into the 'female' end of things. It wouldn't change day by day, at least I wouldn't think so, because I am okay with my "AFAB" (assigned female at birth) title... sort of. In that "you have to be okay with it, just get over it" way. But some other gender fluid or gender neutral types, or others on the "Trans" spectrum of gender, especially in this day and age, might have issues with it.

Honestly when it comes to myself personally over gender or name issues or a lot of things, I don't really give a crap. I don't even care if you get my name right. I've had people call me the "wrong" gender (wrong to others, not me). I don't gaf about pronouns either.

I honestly and truly just don't care.

That said, because of that lack of giving a crap, and my gender fluidity, it did use to piss me off when I was younger. Because I was a "girl" during the time when "girls" didn't do some sports yet, there were no girl leagues, etc, sports I would have liked to have done weren't an option to me. Throw in a traditionalist father, there was a lot of areas of interest I would have loved to do that were 'closed' because of my gender.

Suffice to say moments like that only made the lack of "being a boy" - aka the dysphoria - worse.

I think the best sports I ever played in was mixed league softball in my 20's. (I don't consider mixed golf, which I also did, a level of sport like other stuff)


Like this Riley Gaines, or others, for example?

I saw the video of that incident with Riley.

On that, I can agree that people went too fucking far with it.

On the other hand, she's also been a total dick too before and after that incident so she gets no sympathy from me in general. I question a lot of her issues with Lia Thomas, especially her latest "I had to refrain from looking" because she was "so well endowed". That she has to admit she LOOKED first is telling, to me.

And then of course while there was some shock about Lia, she wasn't 'uncomfortable' with her.


Quick enough to change her story though when it became "Good press" to complain about trans women.

So which do we believe, the before or after?

All that said, Riley does raise a valid point in that interview. People with past sexual assault history would find a trans person who hasn't had bottom surgery likely traumatic. And in cases like that, there does need to be consideration for everyone in fairness. Fairness for the trans person and fairness for the ones who suffered the assault. An easy enough fix if people would just think about it logically and no it doesn't involve separate change rooms.

Riley isn't protesting Lia because of her swimming. Riley is clout chasing because it's all she has to argue about.

As an aside, more proof that Lia doesn't always win.


University of Kentucky swimmer Riley Gaines continues to speak out about the effects of transgender participation in collegiate sports, specifically Lia Thomas’ appearance at the recent NCAA Championships. Here is what she said previously about the issue.


In the 200 freestyle final at the NCAA Women’s Championships last month, Kentucky senior Riley Gaines finished tied for fifth with Penn’s Lia Thomas, the transgender swimmer who was the center of attention at the meet because she was allowed to compete against cisgender females under NCAA rules. Thomas was the NCAA champion in the 500 free, and she was favored to win the 200 free as well, but she finished almost a second-and-a-half off her best time and more than two seconds behind race winner Taylor Ruck.




Riley is just a sore fucking loser.
 

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That’s absolutely crazy….
I have to believe it was more than a single letter and she may have said somethings to the staff.

The USA does not have universal care. They can turn you down because you can't pay your bill or can't afford treatment, I guess they can pick and choose their patients on any grounds.

I still don't think its right but when has right ever factored into half the stuff?
 
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