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Ron in Regina

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Back to the same circle jerk.

From the beginning of the foreign interference controversy, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has made it clear he does not want an independent public inquiry into foreign interference by China in the last two federal elections.

Finally backed into a corner and with negotiations having started to establish one, he now says he won’t move forward unless the opposition parties demonstrate a “full buy-in” to the process (???) but he’s not saying what process…

But the real problem is Trudeau’s lack of commitment to openness and transparency.

Yet another example of this is that the two government bodies Trudeau himself tasked with reviewing foreign interference have both cited a lack of access to government documents, despite assurances from the PM it would be granted.

But former Supreme Court justice Marie Deschamps, who chairs the Security and Intelligence Review Agency, wrote to Trudeau recently that NSIRA is being denied access to cabinet documents it needs to do its job.

Trudeau tasked NSIRA in March to review how Canada’s national security agencies handled the threat of foreign interference during the 2019 and 2021 elections.

Even Trudeau’s special rapporteur, David Johnston, recommended NSIRA be given access to cabinet documents made available to him so it could review his findings….

Trudeau responded at the time that he would waive cabinet secrecy to release these documents.

But former Supreme Court of Canada justice Marie Deschamps wrote to Trudeau that NSIRA has only received “a subset of these documents” and “respectfully requests that all Cabinet confidence documents related to our review be released to us and that all documents provided during the course of this review be without redaction for Cabinet confidence.”

This issue, NSIRA said, goes to “NSIRA’s independence and to the integrity of its reviews.”

Meanwhile, David McGuinty, a Liberal MP who chairs the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians — created by Trudeau in 2017 and tasked by him “to complete a review of the state of foreign interference in federal electoral processes” has repeatedly complained about excessive government secrecy impeding NSICOP’s ability to do its job.

McGuinty wrote to Trudeau last year that the “government’s broad claims of cabinet confidence on documents or information” posed “a growing risk to the committee’s ability to fulfill its mandate”, raising concerns it “will neither receive relevant information, nor be aware of its existence.”

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Ron in Regina

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the government would need “full buy-in” by opposition parties to launch “any next process” (???) to look into foreign interference, but political insiders are suggesting Liberals cannot “play politics” as an excuse to escape a public inquiry.

Speaking to reporters Wednesday, Trudeau once again laid the blame on the opposition for having played “terrible, partisan and toxic games” which ultimately led to former governor general David Johnston formally stepping down as the government’s special rapporteur on foreign interference this week because of his personal connections with the Trudeau family…those Rat Bastards with their wanting at least the illusion of independence!!

“We will ensure, before we launch any next process, (???) that there is full buy-in by the other parties on how it’ll be done and who will do it,” he said.

Trudeau tasked Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs Dominic LeBlanc with negotiating with the Conservatives, the Bloc Québécois and the NDP (who have ALL been unified in wanting a Full Public Inquiry for several months) to find a way forward nearly three weeks ago.

LeBlanc said he was hopeful to announce the next steps before the end of the parliamentary session last week, but that did not happen. Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-Francois Blanchet also let it slip at the time that he believed a deal was imminent, but that also did not materialize. Since then, all sides have been extremely tight-lipped on the state of discussions.

Ben Smith, president of Altitude Public Affairs and a former Conservative staffer, said that in engaging in good faith discussions and trying to find a consensus on the way forward, opposition parties have shown they can be “reasonable” in dealing with this sensitive issue.

“By being straight shooters, they’ve backed the government into a corner where they can’t play politics as an escape,” said Smith.

But Greg MacEachern, principal at KAN Strategies and a former Liberal staffer, said the onus is now on opposition parties (???) to find someone who will be willing to lead “such a process?” after what transpired in the last few months (???) and suggested it might be more complicated than anticipated.

The Liberals, who have been privately grumbling about foreign interference being an issue that only the Ottawa bubble cares about, could take their time over the summer break to delay calling an inquiry for as long as they can. The opposition parties might lose patience if that is the case. If parties reach the end of the first week of July and the government has not yet formally announced there will be a public inquiry, Holmstrom expects “the temperature will get raised considerably by the opposition.”

Only the Bloc has publicly suggested names of people who might be fit to lead the inquiry, such as former Supreme Court justice Louise Arbour but that suggestion was struck down by Conservatives and the NDP since she was a mentor for the Trudeau Foundation.

Conservatives have said they would suggest names to lead an inquiry only once the government would formally announce it goes ahead.

As for the NDP, it has sponsored TWO motions already calling for a public inquiry. If the prime minister tries to shut this down, Holmstrom said he would have a hard time (😉) picturing the New Democrats letting this pass — and it could seriously compromise their deal with the Liberals…yeah…right…

“This is the one thing that could (but wont) blow the whole confidence-and-supply agreement sky high,” he predicts.

Smith said the government can decide to delay and delay the process all it wants, but opposition parties will be keeping the pressure on and they show no signs of giving up.

“From day one, the government has mismanaged this file, and after the resignation of David Johnston, it’s all but inevitable (???) that they’ll call a public inquiry into the matter of foreign interference?
 

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Back to the same circle jerk.

From the beginning of the foreign interference controversy, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has made it clear he does not want an independent public inquiry into foreign interference by China in the last two federal elections.

Finally backed into a corner and with negotiations having started to establish one, he now says he won’t move forward unless the opposition parties demonstrate a “full buy-in” to the process (???) but he’s not saying what process…

But the real problem is Trudeau’s lack of commitment to openness and transparency.

Yet another example of this is that the two government bodies Trudeau himself tasked with reviewing foreign interference have both cited a lack of access to government documents, despite assurances from the PM it would be granted.

But former Supreme Court justice Marie Deschamps, who chairs the Security and Intelligence Review Agency, wrote to Trudeau recently that NSIRA is being denied access to cabinet documents it needs to do its job.

Trudeau tasked NSIRA in March to review how Canada’s national security agencies handled the threat of foreign interference during the 2019 and 2021 elections.

Even Trudeau’s special rapporteur, David Johnston, recommended NSIRA be given access to cabinet documents made available to him so it could review his findings….

Trudeau responded at the time that he would waive cabinet secrecy to release these documents.

But former Supreme Court of Canada justice Marie Deschamps wrote to Trudeau that NSIRA has only received “a subset of these documents” and “respectfully requests that all Cabinet confidence documents related to our review be released to us and that all documents provided during the course of this review be without redaction for Cabinet confidence.”

This issue, NSIRA said, goes to “NSIRA’s independence and to the integrity of its reviews.”

Meanwhile, David McGuinty, a Liberal MP who chairs the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians — created by Trudeau in 2017 and tasked by him “to complete a review of the state of foreign interference in federal electoral processes” has repeatedly complained about excessive government secrecy impeding NSICOP’s ability to do its job.

McGuinty wrote to Trudeau last year that the “government’s broad claims of cabinet confidence on documents or information” posed “a growing risk to the committee’s ability to fulfill its mandate”, raising concerns it “will neither receive relevant information, nor be aware of its existence.”

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Trudeau is making it difficult on purpose. Does he have something to hide? Why does he say these documents would be made available & then renege on providing them? Something is up here & it doesn't sound all that good. WE do need to get rid of this man & his attached appendage!! 😁
 
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Ron in Regina

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Trudeau is making it difficult on purpose. Does he have something to hide? Why does he say these documents would be made available & then renege on providing them? Something is up here & it doesn't sound all that good. WE do need to get rid of this man & his attached appendage!! 😁
By attached appendage, do you mean Jagmeet Singh (?) or some other Liberal Lamprey? Just curious.

Does the Liberal/NDP government’s behaviour surrounding this issue pass the smell test? The NDP supports the Liberal party, regardless of what they do, including what they’re currently doing on this issue, & yet pretends to be their opposition when convenient to do so…but will support them regardless of what has transpired.
 
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By attached appendage, do you mean Jagmeet Singh (?) or some other Liberal Lamprey? Just curious.

Does the Liberal/NDP government’s behaviour surrounding this issue pass the smell test? The NDP supports the Liberal party, regardless of what they do, including what they’re currently doing on this issue, & yet pretends to be their opposition when convenient to do so…but will support them regardless of what has transpired.
Yes, that's exactly who I was referring to 😉
 

Ron in Regina

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Trudeau is making it difficult on purpose. Does he have something to hide? Why does he say these documents would be made available & then renege on providing them? Something is up here & it doesn't sound all that good. WE do need to get rid of this man & his attached appendage!! 😁
Singh said he has made it clear to Justin Trudeau that he can’t blame a lack of consensus (which the opposition parties actually have, and have stated consistently repeatedly, that they are all in for a Public Inquiry) among opposition leaders as an excuse to abandon a public inquiry, as he did in the past when he broke an election promise to introduce electoral reform.

“I said, ‘that’s not going to fly.’ I want a forum. I want a process where we all come together and make the decision together. And so it looks like that’s happening. I think they’re in good faith, and I am cautiously optimistic that they’ll move forward,” he said.

Singh said the Liberals haven’t confirmed that a public inquiry will happen.

“So we’re still holding out for them to say those words. But the negotiations are getting down to some of the details, and we’re requiring that the Liberals make sure every opposition leader that’s recognized has input and that they are in agreement with the way forward,” he said.

Singh has not said publicly who he wants to preside over an inquiry but he said the party has provided criteria: namely “a judge, either a current or former, no connection to the Trudeau Foundation, given the appearance of bias and the problems around that, I think we should just avoid that entirely, and someone that all the parties can agree with.”

Singh said blowing up the confidence and supply agreement the NDP has with the Liberals over the foreign interference issue would “let the government off the hook.” (???)

Singh said an election shouldn’t happen until trust in the electoral process has been restored, which can only be achieved through a public inquiry. That would likely push the next election off until late 2024 or into 2025.

“We want to encourage people to get out to vote. We want people to have trust in the system and that’s why the public inquiry is important. What I’ve said is I want to see some steps taken before we have an election,” he said. Ahhh….OK….Steps towards Jagmeet Singh’s Golden Pension….

Singh said he is confident that voters will give the NDP credit for policies it has pushed on the Liberals as part of the confidence and supply agreement. l don’t think so…but we’ll see what happens once his pension comes to fruition and is locked in.

“I feel a couple of things are going on. One, what we heard from a lot of people is that ‘we like your ideas, but we’re not sure that you can actually deliver on them’. Well, we’re delivering. We’re showing people we can deliver. We’re delivering the first expansion of our healthcare system in a generation, and Canadians are gonna start to see that benefit,” he said.

“The other concern is the fear of the Conservatives. The different thing this time around is that we’re really letting people know if you’re frustrated with the Conservatives, there’s also many people frustrated with the NDP/Liberals in their Non-Coalition Coalition that Definitely Not Coalition-Coalition. It doesn’t have to be either/or…because it really isn’t. There is another option out there? And 10 years into a NDP/Liberal government, people are starting to feel a little bit weary of that.”

So….Jagmeet is advocating for a Liberal/NDP government as a third option? I think his party is going to be absolutely decimated in the next federal election, but Jagmeet will come out OK with his golden parachute for life pension.
 

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Trudeau is making it difficult on purpose. Does he have something to hide? Why does he say these documents would be made available & then renege on providing them? Something is up here & it doesn't sound all that good. WE do need to get rid of this man & his attached appendage!! 😁
Good questions. Is it in his interests, or in his nature?
 

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Singh said he has made it clear to Justin Trudeau that he can’t blame a lack of consensus (which the opposition parties actually have, and have stated consistently repeatedly, that they are all in for a Public Inquiry) among opposition leaders as an excuse to abandon a public inquiry, as he did in the past when he broke an election promise to introduce electoral reform.

“I said, ‘that’s not going to fly.’ I want a forum. I want a process where we all come together and make the decision together. And so it looks like that’s happening. I think they’re in good faith, and I am cautiously optimistic that they’ll move forward,” he said.

Singh said the Liberals haven’t confirmed that a public inquiry will happen.

“So we’re still holding out for them to say those words. But the negotiations are getting down to some of the details, and we’re requiring that the Liberals make sure every opposition leader that’s recognized has input and that they are in agreement with the way forward,” he said.

Singh has not said publicly who he wants to preside over an inquiry but he said the party has provided criteria: namely “a judge, either a current or former, no connection to the Trudeau Foundation, given the appearance of bias and the problems around that, I think we should just avoid that entirely, and someone that all the parties can agree with.”

Singh said blowing up the confidence and supply agreement the NDP has with the Liberals over the foreign interference issue would “let the government off the hook.” (???)

Singh said an election shouldn’t happen until trust in the electoral process has been restored, which can only be achieved through a public inquiry. That would likely push the next election off until late 2024 or into 2025.

“We want to encourage people to get out to vote. We want people to have trust in the system and that’s why the public inquiry is important. What I’ve said is I want to see some steps taken before we have an election,” he said. Ahhh….OK….Steps towards Jagmeet Singh’s Golden Pension….

Singh said he is confident that voters will give the NDP credit for policies it has pushed on the Liberals as part of the confidence and supply agreement. l don’t think so…but we’ll see what happens once his pension comes to fruition and is locked in.

“I feel a couple of things are going on. One, what we heard from a lot of people is that ‘we like your ideas, but we’re not sure that you can actually deliver on them’. Well, we’re delivering. We’re showing people we can deliver. We’re delivering the first expansion of our healthcare system in a generation, and Canadians are gonna start to see that benefit,” he said.

“The other concern is the fear of the Conservatives. The different thing this time around is that we’re really letting people know if you’re frustrated with the Conservatives, there’s also many people frustrated with the NDP/Liberals in their Non-Coalition Coalition that Definitely Not Coalition-Coalition. It doesn’t have to be either/or…because it really isn’t. There is another option out there? And 10 years into a NDP/Liberal government, people are starting to feel a little bit weary of that.”

So….Jagmeet is advocating for a Liberal/NDP government as a third option? I think his party is going to be absolutely decimated in the next federal election, but Jagmeet will come out OK with his golden parachute for life pension.
Another brain dead politician in touch with the electorate.
 

Ron in Regina

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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said he gave a “stern” warning to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to not use the lack of consensus from opposition parties as an excuse to delay or drop a public inquiry into foreign interference….or else the NDP would continue to prop up every decision the Liberal Government makes until at Least 2025 regardless of what it is or what damage is done!!!
Trudeau seemed to want to find a way out of an inquiry when he told reporters this week he would need “full buy-in” from the opposition parties on any “new process” launched by the government to look into allegations of foreign interference — and on who should lead it….so absolutely Nothing new on that front whatsoever….

The NDP leader pointed out that the government has not yet publicly announced that they will move forward with a public inquiry. “So we’re still holding out for them to say those words and then say that they’re gonna do it.”

What if the Liberals indeed decide to pull the plug and not go ahead with an inquiry? Cam Holmstrom, founder and principal of Niipaawi Strategies, told the National Post that the move could blow up the supply-and-confidence agreement between the NDP and the Liberals….But Probably Not.

The agreement assures the NDP’s support for the minority Liberals until 2025. Singh signalled he is not prepared to take that step, arguing that “tearing up the agreement” would let the Liberals “off the hook” (?????) and that they would “love” to not be accountable to them???

What? Not giving the liberals full reign to do whatever they want with their minority government and ignore parliament, and the majority of MP’s & in turn Canadian voters…with NDP Backing, in the NDP/Liberal Non-Coalition-Coalition that’s not an actual & really Coalition-Coalition…I’m so confused by Jagmeet Singh’s double speak, and backwards language that I’m not even sure how to finish this.
 

Ron in Regina

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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says he’s still “cautiously optimistic” the federal government will call a public inquiry into foreign interference, while conversations about how best to address the issue are ongoing between the different parties.

All Opposition MPs have been calling for a public inquiry into foreign interference since March. This is now July.
 

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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says he’s still “cautiously optimistic” the federal government will call a public inquiry into foreign interference, while conversations about how best to address the issue are ongoing between the different parties.

All Opposition MPs have been calling for a public inquiry into foreign interference since March. This is now July.
What a wimp.
 

Ron in Regina

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Mr. Trudeau blamed the Conservatives Wednesday when asked why the government had not yet set up an inquiry – repeating a message he’s delivered more than once in recent weeks. He suggested the Official Opposition was blocking matters from proceeding?

“If we are to have a process to move forward that will work well, with someone credible at the head of the inquiry, we need to make sure that all parties agree on the framework, on the kind of process to be put in place and on the person who will be heading it,” Mr. Trudeau told reporters in French during a visit to the Montérégie region of Quebec.

“We will not be able to move forward with any seriousness if the Conservative Party once again refuses to participate in, or accept the process, we put forward.”

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre called Mr. Trudeau’s comments “unequivocally false” and said his party is ready to accept the proposal that was last on the table. He noted the Liberals had resisted calling a public inquiry for months.

“Since the Liberals finally stopped fighting a public inquiry close to a month ago, we have been engaged with all parties multiple times a week to agree on terms for a public inquiry,” Mr. Poilievre said.

He said the Conservatives have been waiting to resume talks and noted the government does NOT require opposition consent to launch an inquiry and could have done so months ago. The Conservatives have declined so far in talks to suggest names on who might lead a public inquiry, saying they will do so after the framework is settled.

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The governing Liberals had repeatedly resisted launching an inquiry in recent months despite three votes calling for one in the House of Commons by opposition parties, who hold the majority of seats. This has been going on since February or March. We’re now into July.
 

Ron in Regina

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We'll settle for an election in Sept and a criminal inquiry in November.
Trudeau has already pulled the snap election “It’s the most important election since WW2” thing back in 2021…& he’s got Jagmeet on a leash until 2025 regardless of what his government does…so I don’t know about that.

The economy is going to go to shit, & some ridings are changing not in the Liberal/NDP favour…. So that would make me think that we WOULD see a snap election announced this fall….BUT Trudeau has guaranteed power until Singh’s pension comes to fruition in 2025…and a lot might happen in the next 18 months.

(Whomever leads Canada in 2025 is going to have one hell of a mess to clean up that might take decades to accomplish though)
 

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Trudeau has already pulled the snap election “It’s the most important election since WW2” thing back in 2021…& he’s got Jagmeet on a leash until 2025 regardless of what his government does…so I don’t know about that.

The economy is going to go to shit, & some ridings are changing not in the Liberal/NDP favour…. So that would make me think that we WOULD see a snap election announced this fall….BUT Trudeau has guaranteed power until Singh’s pension comes to fruition in 2025…and a lot might happen in the next 18 months.

(Whomever leads Canada in 2025 is going to have one hell of a mess to clean up that might take decades to accomplish though)
Trudeau wouldn't be running.