There is the evidence.

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What a reply! Absolute BS and doesn't deny that you're equal to those who did the inquisition, genocides, crusades and so on.

So, liar and terrorist, as well as just another kind of forced religion fanatic.
I am surprised why are you so rancorous against me, so as to accuse me of such accusations, while you are not a Jew nor Christian and not European? I have nothing against you.. I am surprised indeed.
 

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I am surprised why are you so rancorous against me, so as to accuse me of such accusations, while you are not a Jew nor Christian and not European? I have nothing against you.. I am surprised indeed.
She sure as hell ain't European. Not sure which fairy tale (if any) she believes in.

NB: I'm Shawnee, and I'm neither red nor an Indian.
 
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I am surprised why are you so rancorous against me, so as to accuse me of such accusations, while you are not a Jew nor Christian and not European? I have nothing against you.. I am surprised indeed.

Because it's people like you that have been the bane, the "devils", of religion since man came up with it.

Because you are an admitted liar.

Because the accusations are true; you ARE like those who set to crusade, who practised the inquisition, etc. You are like those cult leaders who are certain only THEY know the truth of God, when you are really all for your own ends, your own Power.

Why surprised? I tried to be not like those others here who saw your faith as an excuse to belittle and be bigots to you, but you proved yourself to be one of the worst kinds of humans.

A lying zealot.

No, I'm not a Jew, or Christian, nor European.

I'm human.

And you, well... I'd question you on even being that.

She sure as hell ain't European. Not sure which fairy tale (if any) she believes in.

NB: I'm Shawnee, and I'm neither red nor an Indian.

I've faith but it's kind'a all over. Personally I usually see validity in most faiths. It's just the issue of implementation of those faiths that sets me off.
 
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I've faith but it's kind'a all over. Personally I usually see validity in most faiths. It's just the issue of implementation of those faiths that sets me off.
All religions except the old gods (who knew how to PAR-TAY!) boil down to "love Gawd and be good to each other."

So, being Yoomins, the adherents fuck 'em both up from the jump.
 

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No, I'm not a Jew, or Christian, nor European.
I know you are an idolater: a Totamist that may be somewhat better than the atheist.
How is that? Because the atheist denies God, while the idolater recognizes God, but assigns associates or partners in God's worship.
 
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Correction of the previous post #186

I cannot say the idolater is good or better.. but I can say: the atheist is worse than the idolater because the idolater knows God Almighty, but he assigns associates or partners besides Him in his worship and devotion.
While the atheist denies God's existence which is the worst.
The associates that the idolater ascribes to God may be a Totam, a statue, a star or planet, a king or a prophet or a saint .. or even he may associate Satan with God or he may associate even the angels or the Christ.

Question 26
 

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I know you are an idolater: a Totamist that may be somewhat better than the atheist.
How is that? Because the atheist denies God, while the idolater recognizes God, but assigns associates or partners in God's worship.

You know jack about me, Torchy. And you prove it by your own stupidity in that comment.

But you've proven who YOU are, which is a liar, a zelot and in your own way not faithful to God, rather to some person's interpretation of what God is, based on THEIR reading of the Quran.
 

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I admit and testify that there is no god but God alone with no associate or partner or son.
And I admit and testify that Mohammed is God's servant and messenger.
 

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I admit and testify that there is no god but God alone with no associate or partner or son.
And I admit and testify that Mohammed is God's servant and messenger.

And yet you take the INTERPRETATION of the Quran by someone else.

You take it from them that what THEY are saying in the Quran is true.

So if the Quran is the Word of God as given to Mohammed, and yet you take the Interpretation of Al-Hilly as what is being said, you are taking HIS word above Mohammed's and that of the Quran.

So your words are lies as your actions speak the truth.
 

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I admit and testify that there is no god but God alone with no associate or partner or son.
And I admit and testify that Mohammed is God's servant and messenger.
Three things I like about Jews: they don’t proselytize, they don’t drone on about the next life, and they spotted and rejected the fraudulent claims of Jesus and Mohammed.
 

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Three things I like about Jews: they don’t proselytize, they don’t drone on about the next life, and they spotted and rejected the fraudulent claims of Jesus and Mohammed.
These are some of the things I dislike about Jews:
1- they are racist: in this instance, it is good; they keep their corrupt religion to themselves for racial motives..
2- the other thing is: if they disbelieve in the Next Life, it is because of their wrongdoing... because none disbelieves about Judgment Day except the transgressor and the sinful, because he knows he will lose.
Quran 83: 12, which means:
([The Day of Requital] which none denies but only the transgressor [on the weak], the sinner.)
quran-ayat.com/pret/83.htm#a83_12

3- and they disbelieved Jesus Christ and Prophet Mohammed the most truthful among mankind... which is of course because of the bad luck of Jews and Zionists.
 

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And yet you take the INTERPRETATION of the Quran by someone else.

You take it from them that what THEY are saying in the Quran is true.

So if the Quran is the Word of God as given to Mohammed, and yet you take the Interpretation of Al-Hilly as what is being said, you are taking HIS word above Mohammed's and that of the Quran.

So your words are lies as your actions speak the truth.
Are you really so smart or do you only pretend!?
 

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Sorry that is bullshit. I never met the guy in order for him to be my messenger or servant. Where does he get off on being a fake?
When Muslims invited your ancestors: the Jews, to convert and believe in the Quran revealed to Prophet Mohammed, they said they only believed what had been revealed to them, but they disbelieved in any revelation: the Gospel and the Quran which came after the Torah.

Quran 2: 91, which means:
(And when it is said to the [Jews]:"Believe in [the Quran] that God has revealed [to Mohammed]",
they say: "We only believe in [the Torah] that was revealed to us." And they disbelieve in [the Gospel and the Quran] that came after the [Torah], while [the Quran] is the true [word of God] confirming [the Torah] which they already have.
Say [O Mohammed, to them]: 'Why then did you kill the prophets of God [like John Baptist, Zachariah, and others, in the past] before [revealing the Quran], if truly you were believers [in the Torah as you claim]?')

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/2.htm#a2_91

And this is about their killing of God's prophets and the priests:
They Killed the Prophets

Moreover, they tried even to kill their own Prophet and King David, but God saved him from their wickedness and he reigned over them by God's favor.
 

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Are you really so smart or do you only pretend!?

Was that an attempt at an insult, because it so didn't work.

Just stating the truth, Torchy; you are NOT as pure in your faith as you keep pretending to be, if you use the words of someone else to dictate your faith.
 

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These are some of the things I dislike about Jews:
1- they are racist:
Really? ALL of them? Certainly there are racists among the Jews, I've met some, but there are racists in every group, including Muslims. All that claim does is underline your own prejudice against them. I doubt you even know any, there can't be many of them hanging around in whatever blighted Islamic theocracy you live in.
2- the other thing is: if they disbelieve in the Next Life, it is because of their wrongdoing.
I didn't say they did, and it's not true, writings from all eras of Jewish history acknowledge there's an afterlife. The Torah identifies a sort of shadowy underworld called Sheol, and the rabbinical tradition is quite clear about Heaven, it's open to all the righteous of any faith tradition, it's not the gated community open only to the true believers that Christianity and Islam claim. But there's no Hell in Judaism, another thing I like about it.
3- and they disbelieved Jesus Christ and Prophet Mohammed the most truthful among mankind...
You can hardly judge them for that, You wouldn't believe claims from groups that have persecuted you mercilessly for as long as they've existed. The history of Christian and Islamic persecution of the Jews is shameful. Christianity has tempered its persecution in recent centuries, though it was only in the 1960s that the Catholic Church withdrew its dogma about Jews being the killers of Christ, and there are large numbers in the Islamic world still calling for the extermination of Jews, a sentiment you've come pretty close to expressing yourself. If I were a Jew, I wouldn't believe Christian or Islamic claims either. I don't anyway, but not for that reason.
 
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Really? ALL of them? Certainly there are racists among the Jews, I've met some, but there are racists in every group, including Muslims. All that claim does is underline your own prejudice against them. I doubt you even know any, there can't be many of them hanging around in whatever blighted Islamic theocracy you live in.

I didn't say they did, and it's not true, writings from all eras of Jewish history acknowledge there's an afterlife. The Torah identifies a sort of shadowy underworld called Sheol, and the rabbinical tradition is quite clear about Heaven, it's open to all the righteous of any faith tradition, it's not the gated community open only to the true believers that Christianity and Islam claim. But there's no Hell in Judaism, another thing I like about it.

You can hardly judge them for that, You wouldn't believe claims from groups that have persecuted you mercilessly for as long as they've existed. The history of Christian and Islamic persecution of the Jews is shameful. Christianity has tempered its persecution in recent centuries, though it was only in the 1960s that the Catholic Church withdrew its dogma about Jews being the killers of Christ, and there are large numbers in the Islamic world still calling for the extermination of Jews, a sentiment you've come pretty close to expressing yourself. If I were a Jew, I wouldn't believe Christian or Islamic claims either. I don't anyway, but not for that reason.

I love that comment about "disbelieved Jesus Christ" as if he was of some other faith. Jesus was a Jewish man himself, something Muslims and Christians love to forget. What he did was stand against men in power - religious men in this case - and that got him cast out pretty much.

But he was born a Jew and DIED a Jew.

And he was no different than any other Rabbi, IMO. Just like Mohammed is no different than any other Imam. They were just guys who had a twist on religion and faith that people took to, became leaders, and died.

That doesn't make them any more or less special than anyone else.