What's the reason for Toronto housing crisis?

Shu Jing Liu

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Population comparison Toronto to other cities:

Toronto / Tokyo < 1/6
Toronto / Shanghai < 1/4
Toronto / New York > 1/4
Toronto / Paris > 1/2
Toronto / London = 2/3
Toronto / Chicago > 2/3

Yet, Toronto is experiencing housing crisis! What's the reason???
Can you give a thought? Or try to figure it out?
 

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Population comparison Toronto to other cities:

Toronto / Tokyo < 1/6
Toronto / Shanghai < 1/4
Toronto / New York > 1/4
Toronto / Paris > 1/2
Toronto / London = 2/3
Toronto / Chicago > 2/3

Yet, Toronto is experiencing housing crisis! What's the reason???
Can you give a thought? Or try to figure it out?
I'm going with "not enough houses."
 

Jinentonix

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Population comparison Toronto to other cities:

Toronto / Tokyo < 1/6
Toronto / Shanghai < 1/4
Toronto / New York > 1/4
Toronto / Paris > 1/2
Toronto / London = 2/3
Toronto / Chicago > 2/3

Yet, Toronto is experiencing housing crisis! What's the reason???
Can you give a thought? Or try to figure it out?
One reason is a large portion of immigrants settle in Ontario and the largest share of them settle in Toronto and the GTA.
Second reason, for some reason Toronto has ALWAYS been expensive for housing.
Third reason. Too many investment groups letting housing units sit empty.
Fourth reason. Not enough houses are being built.
Fifth reason. Toronto thinks it's the center of the universe.
 

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One reason is a large portion of immigrants settle in Ontario and the largest share of them settle in Toronto and the GTA.
Second reason, for some reason Toronto has ALWAYS been expensive for housing.
Third reason. Too many investment groups letting housing units sit empty.
Fourth reason. Not enough houses are being built.
Fifth reason. Toronto thinks it's the center of the universe.
Fourth reason is really the only one that matters. If we dealt with that, the other reasons would pretty much go away. Except Toronto would still think it's the center of the universe. There's no fix for that.

We don't build enough houses. And we haven't for a few decades now so the problem gets progressively worse. There are reasons why we haven't built enough houses, but that's the problem. And its a problem all across canada.
 
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Fourth reason is really the only one that matters. If we dealt with that, the other reasons would pretty much go away. Except Toronto would still think it's the center of the universe. There's no fix for that.

We don't build enough houses. And we haven't for a few decades now so the problem gets progressively worse. There are reasons why we haven't built enough houses, but that's the problem. And its a problem all across canada.
Actually the third reason matters most. Globally, investment groups are holding onto trillions of dollars worth of housing with some of it being left intentionally empty. They own so much residential property that it's worth more than the US GDP in a good year. The fact is that housing costs have skyrocketed by design and govts are complicit in it. The IGs buy up homes and then rent them out for rather more than what the mortgage payment would be if an individual had been allowed to buy it.
The govt announcing that it will build thousands of new homes is pointless unless they change the fucking laws to prevent IGs from buying them up.
I say it's by design for good reason. For the middle class home ownership was a way to build equity and wealth. For many it's the only way. But your govt doesn't want that as evidenced by their reticence to do anything about the problem. Did I say reticence? I meant payola. Trudeau bloviating that "housing is a right" is just more of his blowhard bullshit that he doesn't actually mean. It's just sweeet talk for the proles to get their votes.

These IGs have also been instrumental in the removal of rent controls. Nor do they want anyone (but themselves) owning their own homes. You and I and anyone else in the "working class" owning their own homes are in the way of their ability to make even more astronomical profits and they're not going to stand for it.

Building a bunch of housing without changing anything in the laws will simply result in investment groups ultimately getting their hands on it.
 
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Actually the third reason matters most. Globally, investment groups are holding onto trillions of dollars worth of housing with some of it being left intentionally empty. They own so much residential property that it's worth more than the US GDP in a good year. The fact is that housing costs have skyrocketed by design and govts are complicit in it. The IGs buy up homes and then rent them out for rather more than what the mortgage payment would be if an individual had been allowed to buy it.
The govt announcing that it will build thousands of new homes is pointless unless they change the fucking laws to prevent IGs from buying them up.
I say it's by design for good reason. For the middle class home ownership was a way to build equity and wealth. For many it's the only way. But your govt doesn't want that as evidenced by their reticence to do anything about the problem. Did I say reticence? I meant payola. Trudeau bloviating that "housing is a right" is just more of his blowhard bullshit that he doesn't actually mean. It's just sweeet talk for the proles to get their votes.

These IGs have also been instrumental in the removal of rent controls. Nor do they want anyone (but themselves) owning their own homes. You and I and anyone else in the "working class" owning their own homes are in the way of their ability to make even more astronomical profits and they're not going to stand for it.

Building a bunch of housing without changing anything in the laws will simply result in investment groups ultimately getting their hands on it.
Yep. And they've rigged the financial and tax systems to the point where an "asset" has value, whether that asset is being used for its intended purpose or just rotting away.
 

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Actually the third reason matters most. Globally, investment groups are holding onto trillions of dollars worth of housing with some of it being left intentionally empty. They own so much residential property that it's worth more than the US GDP in a good year. The fact is that housing costs have skyrocketed by design and govts are complicit in it. The IGs buy up homes and then rent them out for rather more than what the mortgage payment would be if an individual had been allowed to buy it.
The govt announcing that it will build thousands of new homes is pointless unless they change the fucking laws to prevent IGs from buying them up.
I say it's by design for good reason. For the middle class home ownership was a way to build equity and wealth. For many it's the only way. But your govt doesn't want that as evidenced by their reticence to do anything about the problem. Did I say reticence? I meant payola. Trudeau bloviating that "housing is a right" is just more of his blowhard bullshit that he doesn't actually mean. It's just sweeet talk for the proles to get their votes.

These IGs have also been instrumental in the removal of rent controls. Nor do they want anyone (but themselves) owning their own homes. You and I and anyone else in the "working class" owning their own homes are in the way of their ability to make even more astronomical profits and they're not going to stand for it.

Building a bunch of housing without changing anything in the laws will simply result in investment groups ultimately getting their hands on it.
Very true. An investment group that had 160 houses in Saskatoon went tits up and the properties are sitting empty or soon will be as lease terms expire.
 
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Taxslave2

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Population comparison Toronto to other cities:

Toronto / Tokyo < 1/6
Toronto / Shanghai < 1/4
Toronto / New York > 1/4
Toronto / Paris > 1/2
Toronto / London = 2/3
Toronto / Chicago > 2/3

Yet, Toronto is experiencing housing crisis! What's the reason???
Can you give a thought? Or try to figure it out?
Local government. See Community plan and zoning.
 

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Fourth reason is really the only one that matters. If we dealt with that, the other reasons would pretty much go away. Except Toronto would still think it's the center of the universe. There's no fix for that.

We don't build enough houses. And we haven't for a few decades now so the problem gets progressively worse. There are reasons why we haven't built enough houses, but that's the problem. And its a problem all across canada.
Not building enough houses, or importing too many people? The Fraser Vally is basically housing and strip malls from Vancouver to Hope.
 

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BC has had an empty home tax for the past few years in certain areas like the lower mainland and Kelowna. Like all poorly thought out tax plans the law of unintended consequences has cost some people a lot of money that the law wasn’t supposed to apply to, but lefty government have never seen a tax they didn’t like.
 
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Define crisis. Availability? Affordability? Own or rent? Homeless? Crowding?
Municipal regulations are the main reason there is a housing crisis. You've heard of NIMBY is one reason; permits are difficult to acquire for developers and are often delay for absolutely no reason - (power trip??).
 
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I am over 200 km from Toronto and housing is a big issue up here too. Biulding houses at the costs involved these days just doesn't pay for landlords. Better to build, sell and no tennant issues.
 
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Municipal regulations are the main reason there is a housing crisis. You've heard of NIMBY is one reason; permits are difficult to acquire for developers and are often delay for absolutely no reason - (power trip??).
Development costs cities and utilities big bucks in capital. A piece land might be ready to see a 100 unit condo block but if there isnt water, sewage, electricity, telecommunications, arterial road acess, transit, schools its just a pipedream.
 
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