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[Ron in Regina]

I’d like to hear this in YOUR words and not copy and paste religious text in a non-answer form that sounds like it’s coming from Justin Trudeau if he found religion. I honestly don’t care how Ali Bin Hilly Whatever interprets the Koran…. But I’m interested in your words on this subject. Is that something you can do on your own with your own words?

The explanation of the link that I gave in the first post:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/106.htm#a106_1

So….that’s a big no then? Replying in your own words with your own voice isn’t something you’re capable of then?

The Quraish tribe inhabited Mecca which was (and still it is) devoid of plants and vegetation. Mecca is the city including the Inviolable House of God to which people go for pilgrimage and to worship God alone without associate or peer.

When Prophet Abraham settled his wife Hagar with her son Ishmael the first born of Abraham; so he settled them in Mecca near the Inviolable House of God to which people went for pilgrimage and to worship God in His house of worship.

You just can’t do it, can you? Reply with your own words & your own voice? These huge ‘copy&paste’ religious quotes that just don’t answer (sorry, but it’s true) what you’re being asked just make you seem like you’re brainwashed, and that the needle is skipping on the record repetitively….

Abraham knew it was devoid of vegetation and plants, but worked according to God's command, and he prayed God to bless them and to provide for them good and much provision.

The Arab respected the House of God, and none of the Arabs and the non-Arabs dare to transgress on God's House at Mecca, especially after the destruction of Abraha and his host with his elephant.. so God Almighty tore them up (as will He tear up the Zionists if they dare transgress on the Aqsa Mosque at Jerusalem.)

Blah blah blah….it’s all a non-answer. It’s not your words. It’s what? Ali-Bin-Hilly-whatever’s interpretation of what he or she thinks that someone else thinks that was…

What do YOU think? What are YOUR words? If you can’t articulate your thoughts with your words…. Do you really think you can sell this to others?

Prophet Abraham had also sons from Keturah his wife other than Ishmael (father of the Arab of Mecca) and Isaac (father of Jacob: Israel); some of his sons dwelled in Midian in Siani where Moses went when he fled Pharaoh and he resided in Midian for 8 years and he married there.

Therefore, the people of Mecca started to trade and their caravans went north to Syria and Palestine in Summer, and they went south to Yemen in Winter.
By this way they got their means of livelihood: they communicated with India, China and Abyssinia and they carried these goods and commodities to Mecca and to Syria and Palestine, and they carried the goods of the Greek and Europe from Syria and Palestine to Yemen in their journeys.

So while the European empires in Greece and Rome fought with the Persian empires with their devastating wars... the caravans of Mecca went on and none dare touch their trade because they were the custodian of the Inviolable House of God at Mecca to which people went for pilgrimage and worship.

Therefore these two journeys in Summer and Winter vouchsafed the livelihood of Meccans and the Arab and provided the surrounding countries with some essential goods.

Soora 106

(In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)
​

1. For the composing a of the Quraish [tribe, there are reasons];

[Then God – be glorified – described the reasons for such unity and friendship, and He said:]
2. [The reason for] their composing is the [two trading] caravan-journeys in winter and in summer. b
3. So they should worship the Lord of this House [: the Ka'aba at Mecca.]
4. Who has fed them against hunger,
5. And has secured them, relieving them from all fear [from the enemy.] c
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a It means the friendship and unity.
b It means: These two caravan journeys for trading were the reason for the composing of the tribe of Quraish; for there was a caravan journey in summer to Levant for trading, and another caravan-journey in winter to Yemen for trading also; and by means of this, they gained their means of livelihood.
In addition, they were secure in Mecca, for they were the guardians of the House [of God] so that none may attack them.
c That was because Abraha terrified them when he came with his army to Mecca and intended to demolish the Ka‘aba, but God sent against them the birds: the black ravens to shoot them with stones, and He dispersed their host, and by this way the people of Mecca were relieved from fear, and none transgressed on them afterwards.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/106.htm#a106_1

Here is also the nice recitation of this great soora of the Quran

 

[Torch light]

My words are derived from God's words, and I will not go forwards nor go backwards away from God's words and instructions in the Glorious Quran.

 

[Torch light]

In continuation of the previous post #6:

Quran 49: 1, which means:
(O you who believe, go not in advance before God and His messenger a.
But ward off [the disobedience of] God [concerning this];
for God is All-Hearing [of your words], All-Knowing [of your works.])
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a The meaning: Do not precede the messenger of God by walking, speaking or anything else till he permits you that.
And do not do any worship about which you are not commanded, but which you yourselves innovate.
Neither should you give any religious answer which you do not know, till an aya is revealed about it or till you ask the Prophet about it.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/49.htm#a49_1

 

[Torch light]

God teaches people to respect and obey His messenger

Quran 49: 2-3, which mean:
(2. O you who believe, do not raise your voices above the voice of the prophet, nor shall you shout at him as you shout at each other, lest your works fail [without reward] while you are not aware [about that.]
3. Surely those who lower their voices before the messenger of God [as for to respect him]: it is they whose hearts God has proved for piety; they shall have forgiveness [in the life of the World] and immense reward [in the Next Life.]

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/49.htm#a49_2

Quran 49: 4, which means:
4. Surely, those who cry out to you [Mohammed] from outside the chambers [of the mosque]; most of them have no sense [on account of their impatience.] a
5. And if they had waited patiently, until you [Mohammed] would come out to them, that would have been better for them b.
And God is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful [to those who repent.]
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a They were the brutish, out of Tamiem tribesmen, who came to ransom their captives; they did not know in which chamber of the mosque was the Prophet, so they started to go about the chambers crying: Mohammed!
b To make easy the affair of the ransom.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/49.htm#a49_4

 

[Taxslave2]

God teaches people to respect and obey His messenger

Quran 49: 2-3, which mean:
(2. O you who believe, do not raise your voices above the voice of the prophet, nor shall you shout at him as you shout at each other, lest your works fail [without reward] while you are not aware [about that.]
3. Surely those who lower their voices before the messenger of God [as for to respect him]: it is they whose hearts God has proved for piety; they shall have forgiveness [in the life of the World] and immense reward [in the Next Life.]

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/49.htm#a49_2

Quran 49: 4, which means:
4. Surely, those who cry out to you [Mohammed] from outside the chambers [of the mosque]; most of them have no sense [on account of their impatience.] a
5. And if they had waited patiently, until you [Mohammed] would come out to them, that would have been better for them b.
And God is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful [to those who repent.]
...........................................................................................................................................................................

a They were the brutish, out of Tamiem tribesmen, who came to ransom their captives; they did not know in which chamber of the mosque was the Prophet, so they started to go about the chambers crying: Mohammed!
b To make easy the affair of the ransom.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/49.htm#a49_4

This is the kind of garbage that keeps your religion in the stone age.

 

[Torch light]

This is the kind of garbage that keeps your religion in the stone age.

The garbage disdains of containing you.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

When Muslims will have power, they will suppress the East and the West and prevent the conflicts between them.
And will make the East and the West prosper and live in peace.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/106.htm#a106_1

The Muslims will never have power, because they're too busy mumbling over the Koran to do better than second-hand weapons two generations out of date.

Oh, and because they use those weapons mostly against their own people and each other.

Christians used to do that. Four or five hundred years back.

 

[Torch light]

This is only my personal opinion.
The Islamic nation will stabilize the world peace, maybe by suppressing the East and the West.
Who makes conflicts everywhere other than the East and the West?
So by suppressing these 2 extremes, the world peace will result.

The East and the West are wicked: they seek after their advantages without considering other nations, especially the Muslim countries.
Now when the West and the East have economic difficulties, they may kindle wars and may fight each other, and when the economic difficulty increases, they will direct their evil to the Muslim countries .. this is expected.
But if the economic difficulties increase more, the West and East may be compelled to prefer peace to wars, especially if Muslim countries unite and exert their suppression on these wicked West and East governments.

But all this is up to God Almighty: if Muslims return to God and His Quran, they will win and defeat theri enemies, but if they keep wronging each other and forsaking the teachings of the Quran, and if they keep to glorifying the tombs of the religious leaders, they will lose.

 

[Serryah]

This is only my personal opinion.
The Islamic nation will stabilize the world peace, maybe by suppressing the East and the West.
Who makes conflicts everywhere other than the East and the West?
So by suppressing these 2 extremes, the world peace will result.

The East and the West are wicked: they seek after their advantages without considering other nations, especially the Muslim countries.
Now when the West and the East have economic difficulties, they may kindle wars and may fight each other, and when the economic difficulty increases, they will direct their evil to the Muslim countries .. this is expected.
But if the economic difficulties increase more, the West and East may be compelled to prefer peace to wars, especially if Muslim countries unite and exert their suppression on these wicked West and East governments.

But all this is up to God Almighty: if Muslims return to God and His Quran, they will win and defeat theri enemies, but if they keep wronging each other and forsaking the teachings of the Quran, and if they keep to glorifying the tombs of the religious leaders, they will lose.

Do you actually understand the world vs. Islam or are you purposefully ignorant to why the world doesn't trust Islam?

 

[Ron in Regina]

My words are derived from God's words, and I will not go forwards nor go backwards away from God's words and instructions in the Glorious Quran.

Do you actually understand that there’s a difference between understanding what you’re talking about yourself, and regurgitating in a copy and paste someone else’s words that aren’t actually answering the question being asked?

 

[Ron in Regina]

This is only my personal opinion.
The Islamic nation will stabilize the world peace, maybe by suppressing the East and the West.
Who makes conflicts everywhere other than the East and the West?
So by suppressing these 2 extremes, the world peace will result.

The East and the West are wicked: they seek after their advantages without considering other nations, especially the Muslim countries.
Now when the West and the East have economic difficulties, they may kindle wars and may fight each other, and when the economic difficulty increases, they will direct their evil to the Muslim countries .. this is expected.
But if the economic difficulties increase more, the West and East may be compelled to prefer peace to wars, especially if Muslim countries unite and exert their suppression on these wicked West and East governments.

But all this is up to God Almighty: if Muslims return to God and His Quran, they will win and defeat theri enemies, but if they keep wronging each other and forsaking the teachings of the Quran, and if they keep to glorifying the tombs of the religious leaders, they will lose.

Good for you and trying to put this into your own words!!

You do realize this is the pot calling the kettle black though, right?

Let’s use any OPEC nation as an example. Do you think any OPEC nations are not seeking their own advantage, without consideration of other nations? Seriously? That’s just one example..

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

This is only my personal opinion.
The Islamic nation will stabilize the world peace, maybe by suppressing the East and the West.
Who makes conflicts everywhere other than the East and the West?
So by suppressing these 2 extremes, the world peace will result.

The East and the West are wicked: they seek after their advantages without considering other nations, especially the Muslim countries.
Now when the West and the East have economic difficulties, they may kindle wars and may fight each other, and when the economic difficulty increases, they will direct their evil to the Muslim countries .. this is expected.
But if the economic difficulties increase more, the West and East may be compelled to prefer peace to wars, especially if Muslim countries unite and exert their suppression on these wicked West and East governments.

But all this is up to God Almighty: if Muslims return to God and His Quran, they will win and defeat theri enemies, but if they keep wronging each other and forsaking the teachings of the Quran, and if they keep to glorifying the tombs of the religious leaders, they will lose.

There was a time when Middle Eastern nations were pretty damn dominant. Before Islam, of course.

Then it was Greece. Then Rome. Then the Ottoman Empire had its day to run things in the known world. Then it was Spain and Portugal. After that, England and France. Then the U.S. and the Soviet Union. Nowadays looks like the U.S., China, and the EU.

There is no "Islamic nation." They fight each other just as much as Christian nations, Buddhist nations, and nations with no clear dominant religion.

Funny part is you consider Islam "suppressing" the rest of the world to be bringing about world peace. The most "peaceful" the world has ever been has been the half-century or so that countries didn't get into it in a big way because they're scared of nuclear weapons.

Seems like the only real world peace, or the closest to it we can get, is when people finally get it through their heads that if you attack Country X, they'll kill you.

 

[Torch light]

By the word "Islamic nation" I mean those who will work according to the Quran, not the present corrupt governors and their followers.

When they work according to the Quran teachings, God will help them and they will defeat their enemy and will establish the global peace... for some limited period, on condition they will not wrong each other and will not be idolaters ,, or else they will deteriorate again.

While the European and American .. in my personal opinion .. they are ending and are expired: because they are generally against God and against the Quran and even against the Torah and the Gospel.

About the West and the East: they are conflicting and fighting in many parts of the world: directly and indirectly by means of their minions.. e.g. the present Ukraine war.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english2.htm#First

The following is written in the Book of Isaiah, chapter 2: 2-4

“2- And in the last days the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be prepared on the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills: and all nations shall flow unto it.

3- And many people shall go, and say: Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord and the house of the God of Jacob: and he shall teach us his ways, and we will walk in his paths.

4- And he shall judge the Gentiles and rebuke many people: and they shall turn their swords into ploughshares their spears into sickles. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation; neither shall they be exercised any more to war.”



The meaning:

>> His saying “And in the last days” i.e. at the time of coming of the Comforter [: the Awaited Mahdi.]



>> And His saying, “the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be prepared on the top of the mountains.”

The”mountain” here indicates the religion and steadfastness to the monotheism, and it does not mean one of mountains. For this reason, He did not say: the mountain of the Lord, but He said “the mountain of the house of the Lord.” The “house of the Lord” means the Ancient House at Mecca.



The indication of that is His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 2: 158

فَمَنْ حَجَّ الْبَيْتَ أَوِ اعْتَمَرَ فَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْهِ أَن يَطَّوَّفَ بِهِمَا​

The explanation:

(It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House [of God], or visits it, to go round about them.)



The “mountain” is Arafat Mountain near Mecca.



>> And His saying: “and it shall be exalted above the hills” means: The religion of the Islam will be superior to other religion by sovereignty and the large number of its members.



The indication of this is His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 48: 28

هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَى وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ​

The explanation:

(It is He [: God] Who has sent His messenger [: Mohammed] with the guidance and the religion of truth; that He may make [the Islam religion] prevail over all religions [in the time of the Mahdi: the Comforter.])



>> His saying: “And many people shall go” means: from every country in the earth, they go to Mecca for pilgrimage.



>> His saying: “and say: Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord and the House of the God of Jacob.” These will be the Jews who will convert to the Islam by the instructions of the Mahdi (or the Comforter); and for this reason they say “the God of Jacob” because they are familiar with this word.



>> His saying: “and he will teach us his ways, and we will walk in his path” means: they say, ‘Come, and let us go up to Arafat Mountain at Mecca, because the Awaited Mahdi (or the Comforter) will be there, and he will teach us his rituals and instructions, and we will walk in his path [: the path of monotheism.]



>> His saying: “and they shall turn their swords into ploughshares and their spears into sickles” means: they will change their swords and spears and make them ploughshares and sickles, because there will be no wars, at that time, and no fighting so that they may fight with the swords and spears, but peace and safety will be settled; and for this reason He said after it: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation: neither shall they be exercised any more to war.”



Therefore, this prophecy is related neither to Jesus Christ, nor to Prophet Mohammed – peace be on both of them – but it is related to the Awaited Mahdi (i.e. the Comforter.) The indication of this is His saying: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation: neither shall they be exercised any more to war.”

Because wars are going on among mankind; they did not stop neither at the time of Jesus Christ, nor at the time of Prophet Mohammed; even they have nowadays increased because of modern instruments and weapons, atomic and hydrogen bombs, long-range guns and military aircraft [: fighters and bombers.] This prophecy will not be fulfilled, and peace will not be settled on the earth in all its countries unless after the Mahdi (i.e. the Comforter) will rule and have sovereignty."

 

[Torch light]

Good for you and trying to put this into your own words!!

Not good for you, and not even good for me if I do not tell about the word of God.
I surprise how you dare say your devilish words trying to cheat others with your deception... Know then I believe absolutely in the word of God in the Quran and I reject all your cunning words, whatever you try to deceive others and bar them from God's way.

 

[Torch light]

The time limit for editing the post was expired, therefore, I will put the explanation about the last days in this post, as explained by Abu Abd-Allah:

In the Last Days

Book of Isaiah, chapter 2: 2-4
“2- And in the last days the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be prepared on the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills: and all nations shall flow unto it.
3- And many people shall go, and say: Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord and the house of the God of Jacob: and he shall teach us his ways, and we will walk in his paths.
4- And he shall judge the Gentiles and rebuke many people: and they shall turn their swords into ploughshares their spears into sickles. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation; neither shall they be exercised any more to war.”

The meaning:
>> His saying “And in the last days” i.e. in the time of coming of the Comforter [: the Awaited Mahdi.]

>> And His saying, “the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be prepared on the top of the mountains.”
The”mountain” here indicates the religion and steadfastness to the monotheism, and it does not mean one of mountains. For this reason, He did not say: the mountain of the Lord, but He said “the mountain of the house of the Lord.” The “house of the Lord” means the Ancient House at Mecca.

The indication of that is His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 2: 158, which means:
(It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House [of God], or visits it, to go round about them.)
The “mountain” is Arafat Mountain near Mecca.

>> And His saying: “and it shall be exalted above the hills” means: The religion of the Islam will be superior to other religion by sovereignty and the large number of its members.
The indication of this is His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 48: 28, which means:
(It is He [: God] Who has sent His messenger [: Mohammed] with the guidance and the religion of truth; that He may make [the Islam religion] prevail over all religions [in the time of the Mahdi: the Comforter.])

>> His saying: “And many people shall go” means: from every country in the earth, they go to Mecca for pilgrimage.

>> His saying: “and say: Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord and the House of the God of Jacob.” These will be the Jews who will convert to the Islam by the instructions of the Mahdi (or the Comforter); and for this reason they say “the God of Jacob” because they are familiar with this word.

>> His saying: “and he will teach us his ways, and we will walk in his path” means: they say, ‘Come, and let us go up to Arafat Mountain at Mecca, because the Awaited Mahdi (or the Comforter) will be there, and he will teach us his rituals and instructions, and we will walk in his path [: the path of monotheism.]

>> His saying: “and they shall turn their swords into ploughshares and their spears into sickles” means: they will change their swords and spears and make them ploughshares and sickles, because there will be no wars, at that time, and no fighting so that they may fight with the swords and spears, but peace and safety will be settled; and for this reason He said after it: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation: neither shall they be exercised any more to war.”

Therefore, this prophecy is related neither to Jesus Christ, nor to Prophet Mohammed – peace be on both of them – but it is related to the Awaited Mahdi (i.e. the Comforter.) The indication of this is His saying: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation: neither shall they be exercised any more to war.”

Because wars are going on among mankind; they did not stop neither at the time of Jesus Christ, nor at the time of Prophet Mohammed; even they have nowadays increased because of modern instruments and weapons, atomic and hydrogen bombs, long-range guns and military aircraft [: fighters and bombers.] This prophecy will not be fulfilled, and peace will not be settled on the earth in all its countries unless after the Mahdi (i.e. the Comforter) will rule and have sovereignty."

In the Last Days

 

[Ron in Regina]

You where doing so well, expressing yourself, right up to this point:

“The following is written in the Book of…” etc….

Anyway, you need to work on your sales pitch ‘cuz your recruiting effort is lacking with your current material. Good luck though.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

You where doing so well, expressing yourself, right up to this point:

“The following is written in the Book of…” etc….

Anyway, you need to work on your sales pitch ‘cuz your recruiting effort is lacking with your current material. Good luck though.

I don't see it as a sales pitch so much as a frustrated little-boy loser nobody wants to play with shouting "You just wait 'til my daddy gets here! You'll be sorry then!"

 

[Ron in Regina]

Oh, perhaps I’ve been miss reading this all along. I thought I was a really crappy effort like the Jehovah witnesses banging on your door….to recruit people into his sliver version/sect of Islam….’cuz that’s not working.

If Torch Light really wanted to recruit people, what would impress me anyway, would be if he came out and told us that he was Irish, and born a Presbyterian…but that this Islam made so much more sense to him, that he switched teams, and then explained why in his own words.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

What, you missed all the gleeful hand-rubbing about how his Great Big Sky Daddy is gonna fuck up all the unbelievers?

 

[Dixie Cup]

My words are derived from God's words, and I will not go forwards nor go backwards away from God's words and instructions in the Glorious Quran.

So, as Ron has stated, you can't think for yourself. Got it!