Germany's own Jan 6th?

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Missed the question mark at the end of that, didn't you?

Though I get it, you think Jan 6th was fake so you wouldn't get how similar that and an *overthrowing* of another government by extremists is similar.

Have you been following the Twitter files in the latest news cycle? We will see in the next 6 months or so who was orcestrating a coup


.... what? WTF are you talking about?
Like the rest of the Western world tired of the middle east migrants and their disdain for western rules and human rights especially Germany, France, and scandinavian countries seeing a real rise in rape and murder caused by the migrants and the grumblings from the public about it they need something to change the narrative of the view of terrorists.

When the world's liberal news services are using the term Qanon inspired you know it's BS
 
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Have you been following the Twitter files in the latest news cycle? We will see in the next 6 months or so who was orcestrating a coup

No because I don't have Twittler and especially after Musk got it would I never get it. Only way I see anything on it is from other people and links from.


Like the rest of the Western world tired of the middle east migrants and their disdain for western rules and human rights especially Germany, France, and scandinavian countries seeing a real rise in rape and murder caused by the migrants and the grumblings from the public about it they need something to change the narrative of the view of terrorists.

I won't/can't deny that there are immigrants doing horrible shit and they should be sent back to where they came from.

But guess what, this kind'a shit is going to keep happening and get worse as the years go on. Then again, people going from one place to another has been happening since humans dropped their naked asses out of the trees.

That STILL doesn't excuse wanting to turn things back into the third fucking Reich.

When the world's liberal news services are using the term Qanon inspired you know it's BS

Yes, your denial that QAnon is a thing is amazing. But that you can get believers to state their beliefs and that those same believers are cult followers of people you seem to admire, TM, is what's truly scary.
 

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No because I don't have Twittler and especially after Musk got it would I never get it. Only way I see anything on it is from other people and links from.
There even was a FBI and CIA plants that intercepted the files and scrubbed them before release





 
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Your whataboutism is funny.
I don't think you know what "whataboutism" is.
Look, I get you absolutely deny Jan 6 was anything serious. Fine. I get you think everyone not you thinks Portland and Seattle was 'mostly peaceful protests'. (despite there being comments to the contrary). Hint, Jin, we're not talking fucking Portland or Seattle. Or BLM protests/riots.
Of course you aren't. Because you're a huge fucking hypocrite. The very people behind the Portland and Seattle insurrections are the very people whose ideology you support, despite your claims that you're a centrist.
You don't think that 25 plus people in Germany who want to bring back Nazi/Third Reich ideals isn't worth worrying even a little about?
25 people out of 83 million isn't even a blip on the radar. It's not like those with nazi ideals in Germany just dried up and blew away after the war.
That their views are on the rise in Europe and just how dangerous that is?
Go read some history. Extremism begets extremism. The last time the far-right reared its ugly head in Europe was when Marxist-communists started gaining some real traction in Europe.
Or do you not believe what's reported? They were just 'misunderstood' or they were 'innocent' or it was all 'fake news'?
It was a mostly peaceful protest.
 

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I don't think you know what "whataboutism" is.

I think you're trying to make whataboutism into something it's not. Perhaps look again at your statement and tell me how it's NOT whataboutism?

Of course you aren't. Because you're a huge fucking hypocrite.

I can be sometimes, admittedly, sure, so can anyone else, like you. Funnily enough, I can admit it; I've never seen you admit it once.

The very people behind the Portland and Seattle insurrections

Riots and protests. It just *barely* might scrape into the definition of insurrection but just *barely*. Meanwhile on the Capitol it actually WAS an insurrection with people wanting to hang the VP, be violent to members of congress and put their candidate who lost the election into power.

are the very people whose ideology you support, despite your claims that you're a centrist.

I don't claim to be a centrist, or a lefty, or a right, or anything really. If I *have* to label myself, it'd be independent.

And what, pray tell, is the idology that I support when it comes to Portland and Seattle? I recall saying that the riots were NOT right, legal and hoped people that did any damages were held accountable. But the peaceful protests that DID happen I was in support for. So...

25 people out of 83 million isn't even a blip on the radar.

25 people who were prepared to overthrow the government with weapons can do a lot of goddamn damage. And obviously it was enough of a "blip" that they were found out and arrested.

It's not like those with nazi ideals in Germany just dried up and blew away after the war.

No, they didn't, I agree with you there. It all just went underground, or to South America.

Go read some history.

LOL - take your own advice too there, Jin.

Extremism begets extremism.

No shit.

The last time the far-right reared its ugly head in Europe was when Marxist-communists started gaining some real traction in Europe.

So, those who are far right today aren't a thing to worry about, they're just, you know, faking it or something? Maybe not just read history, but current events there too.

It was a mostly peaceful protest.

Your boat of reason just set sail without you, Jin. What happened in Germany wasn't a "peaceful protest", it was a plot to overthrow an elected Government. That you're making excuses for it is just unbelievably disgusting.
 
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Your whataboutism is funny.

Look, I get you absolutely deny Jan 6 was anything serious. Fine. I get you think everyone not you thinks Portland and Seattle was 'mostly peaceful protests'. (despite there being comments to the contrary). Hint, Jin, we're not talking fucking Portland or Seattle. Or BLM protests/riots.

You don't think that 25 plus people in Germany who want to bring back Nazi/Third Reich ideals isn't worth worrying even a little about?

That their views are on the rise in Europe and just how dangerous that is?

Or do you not believe what's reported? They were just 'misunderstood' or they were 'innocent' or it was all 'fake news'?
So 25 fruitcakes out of a population of 80 million represent a serious challenge to democracy?
And you still think Jan 06 was done largely by republicans?
Better find better sources.
 

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I think you're trying to make whataboutism into something it's not. Perhaps look again at your statement and tell me how it's NOT whataboutism?



I can be sometimes, admittedly, sure, so can anyone else, like you. Funnily enough, I can admit it; I've never seen you admit it once.



Riots and protests. It just *barely* might scrape into the definition of insurrection but just *barely*. Meanwhile on the Capitol it actually WAS an insurrection with people wanting to hang the VP, be violent to members of congress and put their candidate who lost the election into power.



I don't claim to be a centrist, or a lefty, or a right, or anything really. If I *have* to label myself, it'd be independent.

And what, pray tell, is the idology that I support when it comes to Portland and Seattle? I recall saying that the riots were NOT right, legal and hoped people that did any damages were held accountable. But the peaceful protests that DID happen I was in support for. So...



25 people who were prepared to overthrow the government with weapons can do a lot of goddamn damage. And obviously it was enough of a "blip" that they were found out and arrested.



No, they didn't, I agree with you there. It all just went underground, or to South America.



LOL - take your own advice too there, Jin.



No shit.



So, those who are far right today aren't a thing to worry about, they're just, you know, faking it or something? Maybe not just read history, but current events there too.



Your boat of reason just set sail without you, Jin. What happened in Germany wasn't a "peaceful protest", it was a plot to overthrow an elected Government. That you're making excuses for it is just unbelievably disgusting.
Every time tow or more Canadians get together, there is a conspiracy to overthrow our government.
 
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So 25 fruitcakes out of a population of 80 million represent a serious challenge to democracy?

It could be, yes. If they succeeded. Otherwise, why bother arresting them? Why not just let them go if they weren't so "Dangerous"?

And you still think Jan 06 was done largely by republicans?

Actually I don't think Jan 6 was done by Republicans.

Jan 6 was "done" by the cult that follows Trump, and the easily brainwashed and sheep that joined the riot/crowd into breaking into the Capital. Real Republicans had nothing to do with Jan 6. Sadly there's so few of those now in Congress it's led for people to assume they're somehow leftists or RINO's.

Better find better sources.

I try to find more than one source, and one that's not extremely biased or even moderately biased. Unlike some who think Fox is the only non-fake, worthy news station out there.
 

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It could be, yes. If they succeeded.
Succeeded at what?!?!? There is NO POSSIBLE scenario where the us democracy fell or those 25 fruitcakes were able to become the gov't. At THE MOST they might have killed elected officians which would have been horrible but - then new elected officials would be elected. democracy survives just fine, there was NO threat to democracy.

Otherwise, why bother arresting them?
Because they were damaging property and looking to assault people - we arrest people for that all the time. Literally every day. It doesn't need to be 'insurrection' to get arrested for doing that.

So the REAL question is - if it was so critical to arrest a tiny number of people who were destroying property and threatening peace, why didn't they do that for the blm riots?
I try to find more than one source,
Sure.
 
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I think you're trying to make whataboutism into something it's not. Perhaps look again at your statement and tell me how it's NOT whataboutism?



I can be sometimes, admittedly, sure, so can anyone else, like you. Funnily enough, I can admit it; I've never seen you admit it once.



Riots and protests. It just *barely* might scrape into the definition of insurrection but just *barely*. Meanwhile on the Capitol it actually WAS an insurrection with people wanting to hang the VP, be violent to members of congress and put their candidate who lost the election into power.
Taking over entire sections of cities by force and declaring autonomy is NOT "just barely" insurrection. I know I know, they get a free pass because...TRUMP!
I don't claim to be a centrist, or a lefty, or a right, or anything really. If I *have* to label myself, it'd be independent.
You have previously claimed to be a centrist.
And what, pray tell, is the idology that I support when it comes to Portland and Seattle? I recall saying that the riots were NOT right, legal and hoped people that did any damages were held accountable. But the peaceful protests that DID happen I was in support for. So...



25 people who were prepared to overthrow the government with weapons can do a lot of goddamn damage. And obviously it was enough of a "blip" that they were found out and arrested.
Well you see, displaying nazi symbols in Germany outside of museums or for educational purposes, is illegal. Anyone throwing the nazi salute is subject to prosecution as well, unless it was done ironically.
No, they didn't, I agree with you there. It all just went underground, or to South America.



LOL - take your own advice too there, Jin.
Been reading history since I was 9. Got a B.A. in History as well. So thanks, I do take my advice, quite frequently. Maybe you should try it for once.
No shit.



So, those who are far right today aren't a thing to worry about, they're just, you know, faking it or something? Maybe not just read history, but current events there too.
Good fucking grief woman, the far left is rearing it's ugly head again, only not just in Europe but across the Western World. Illegal immigration is a right. Murdering the unborn is a taxpayer funded right. Men can get pregnant and have periods. Woman can have dicks. Every White person is inherently racist towards everybody else. "White privilege". Everybody who doesn't agree with me is a nazi fascist. Don't say "islamic terrorism" (even though islamic terrorism, or any religious terrorism, is right-wing terrorism).

Marxists whining about the "ALT-right" doesn't really ring my alarm bells. Seen it, heard about it from those who lived through it, and read it all before. Anyone who isn't Marxist is automatically labeled as a right-wing extremist. P.S. The news media plays a HUGE role in those disinformation campaigns.
Your boat of reason just set sail without you, Jin. What happened in Germany wasn't a "peaceful protest", it was a plot to overthrow an elected Government. That you're making excuses for it is just unbelievably disgusting.
:ROFLMAO: A putsch it was not. It was barely a bowel movement.
Which brings us back to Jan 6. The US has unquestionably the most heavily armed population on the planet, and yet I'm supposed to believe there was a serious attempt at an insurrection by a bunch of unarmed citizens. Hell at least the left-wing extremists managed to bomb the Capitol in 1983 and brought weapons to Portland and Seattle in 2020.

The fact you even tried to compare a bunch of unarmed American protestors on Jan 6 to 25 nazis in Germany is fucking laughable and just shows how desperate you are to push the ALT-left narrative.

But hey, at least the 2020 summer of violence and Jan 6 taught the right-wing one thing. If you're gonna attempt an insurgency, do it BEFORE the election and bring your guns. You stand a better chance of winning.

Kind'a funny though. It all started in a Democrat-run city in a Democrat-run state that have been Democrat bastions for decades, and yet tried to blame "the Right" and "Trumpism" for what happened to George Floyd, And shit-heads like you fucking lapped it up.
 

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Taking over entire sections of cities by force and declaring autonomy is NOT "just barely" insurrection. I know I know, they get a free pass because...TRUMP!

No, they don't get a free pass because of Trump. Never did. I think the taking over was stupid and did nothing to help what so ever. But then I can also differentiate between rioters and protestors; you don't because to you there is no difference, DESPITE there being some.

Again, look at the definition of insurrection. They wanted to change the police, not government. Still don't agree with how they went about it and it was fucking stupid.

Still didn't answer why it's not whataboutism...


You have previously claimed to be a centrist.

Don't remember saying that. I may be centrist on some issues, but I'm also right on some issues, left on others. Which is why I don't give myself ANY political status beyond independent, if I label myself as anything at all. Though if I DID at some point state that I was a centrist, that's certainly changed now with the current political climate.

Well you see, displaying nazi symbols in Germany outside of museums or for educational purposes, is illegal. Anyone throwing the nazi salute is subject to prosecution as well, unless it was done ironically.

So... are you agreeing with me or what?

Been reading history since I was 9. Got a B.A. in History as well. So thanks, I do take my advice, quite frequently. Maybe you should try it for once.

Been reading history since I was little too - didn't get into history though because that wasn't my passion at the time. Had I gone to Uni, maybe I would have gone into History. As it is most of my youtube channels I watch are all on history. I just watched 4 hours of historical stuff tonight as it is (since we're apparently sharing or trying to see who has the bigger hard on for history?)

But just because you have a BA in History, doesn't mean you know it, obviously. Or keep up with it.

Good fucking grief woman, the far left is rearing it's ugly head again, only not just in Europe but across the Western World.

Far left, or far right? How about both. Like in Germany, yet you don't seem so concerned about it?

Illegal immigration is a right.

Says who? People can immigrate - or try to - to a country and I guess that's a "right", but actually going into a country illegally is still... illegal?

Murdering the unborn is a taxpayer funded right.

Your opinion is your opinion and you don't get to decide for other people what they should or shouldn't do with their bodies - so you're mad about it? BTW, I pay taxes too, so do those people getting abortions. They're paying for that abortion too. You want your share of pennies back for what went into it, push to change the laws for it.

Men can get pregnant and have periods.

Trans men can, yes.

Woman can have dicks.

Trans women do, yes.

Every White person is inherently racist towards everybody else.

It certainly can come across like that to people who aren't white, yeah. Reality sucks. Don't want to be labeled a racist? Don't be one.

"White privilege".

Yeah, it exists - again, reality sucks.

Everybody who doesn't agree with me is a nazi fascist.

Well that's not nice of you to call people that.

Don't say "islamic terrorism" (even though islamic terrorism, or any religious terrorism, is right-wing terrorism).

Where the hell is that coming from? Islamic terrorism exists, or do you not know ISIS? Al Qaeda? The Taliban? Islamic terrorists. No one is saying "don't say Islamic terrorism" and if they are, they're fucking stupid.


LOL! Careful Jin, McCarthyism is only one more Communist away!

whining about the "ALT-right" doesn't really ring my alarm bells.

No because you don't care what the "Alt Right" does, cause they're okay people, it's only the "Alt Left" you're freaked out about.

Seen it, heard about it from those who lived through it, and read it all before.

Uh huh. So have I. Weird that there's a distinct difference between our reactions to it then, hmn?

Anyone who isn't Marxist is automatically labeled as a right-wing extremist. P.S.

Oh that's a crock of shit; sure SOME people might throw out the right wing label willy nilly - like some throw out the nazi and fascist label - but you're doing a hell of a job the other way by labeling people Marxists who may not be Marxists. Your whine fest about labels goes both ways, apparently, but only matter for those who don't share your ideas.


The news media plays a HUGE role in those disinformation campaigns.

Absolutely agree with that.

:ROFLMAO: A putsch it was not. It was barely a bowel movement.

You want to not be worried that this happened, fine, you can join the ranks of those who keep wondering how things like the Nazi's taking over originally happened. Because THIS is how. And people either not giving a shit about it, or dismissing it as being nothing serious.

I don't want to be part of that crowd.

Which brings us back to Jan 6. The US has unquestionably the most heavily armed population on the planet, and yet I'm supposed to believe there was a serious attempt at an insurrection by a bunch of unarmed citizens.

FFS.

They weren't unarmed.

But then I know you don't even believe/trust what actually happened that day, by the words of the people there or your own goddamn eyes watching videos so... I don't expect you to be sensible about Jan 6 what so ever.

Hell at least the left-wing extremists managed to bomb the Capitol in 1983

True.

and brought weapons to Portland and Seattle in 2020.

I thought guns were okay? You know, the good guys vs. bad guys?

The fact you even tried to compare a bunch of unarmed American protestors on Jan 6

Again, not unarmed, there were also weapons off site but you don't believe that. Also, a "bunch"? More than 2,000 of them were there. But I'm sure they were just there for a tour, nothing too serious...

to 25 nazis in Germany is fucking laughable and just shows how desperate you are to push the ALT-left narrative.

I'm not pushing ANY narrative other than 25 psycho anti-government types tried to overthrow the elected government of Germany. They are reported to be far right leaning, including one of the 'nobility class' and yes, some compared it to the Jan 6th in the US because of similarities. But again, you don't believe it so I'm not surprised you dismiss all of it as anything important.

Stick your head in the sand some more, Jin.

But hey, at least the 2020 summer of violence and Jan 6 taught the right-wing one thing. If you're gonna attempt an insurgency, do it BEFORE the election and bring your guns.

They did.

You stand a better chance of winning.

Are you MTG and Bannon's mouth piece now?

Because by "Winning" on Jan 6, that'd have Trump and his idiots in power, people dead including Pence... yeah, not a "winning" side I'd want to be on. Is that what you think is okay by Winning?

Kind'a funny though. It all started in a Democrat-run city in a Democrat-run state that have been Democrat bastions for decades,

Which proves Dems can still seriously fuck things up, and do, because they're fucking idiots.

and yet tried to blame "the Right" and "Trumpism" for what happened to George Floyd,

LOL! Wow, you ARE clueless to the whole thing behind it, aren't you?

But why waste my time explaining it to you; you don't give a shit about the reality or truth of it anyway.

And shit-heads like you fucking lapped it up.

Nah, not lapping anything up. I don't blame the "Right" for what happened to Floyd. I don't blame Trump.

You keep trying to put me into a nice, neat little block of "you're a Lefty" when I'm not.

I can and have even AGREE with you on some things - like the riots in Seattle and Portland and that they shouldn't have happened and people held accountable, etc, etc - but because I don't agree with everything you say, I'm still some screaming lefty? Give me a break.
 

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but because I don't agree with everything you say, I'm still some screaming lefty?
No, it's because you frequently make hate-based statements about the right, such as how they all want to see children dead and the like. The fact that you might not be a screaming leftie on 1percent of topic doesn't mean you're not a screaming leftie considering your stance on the other 99 percent.