He has used it in his favour. Ontario has voted Conservative in the past. It just has to be managed properly by the Conservative leader which the last 2 have failed to do.
Omnibus: Conservative Leadership Race
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Shooting for the Center, which a couple of decades ago might have been described at liberal-ish (left of but sort’a towards it). That’s not an accurate description of Liberals today though. I get what you’re try’n to say though.
The NDP (Federally) use to be out to the far left with what eventually became the Greens, but now the Liberals are out NDP’ing the NDP and have been trying to for years, and the Greens (both of them I think, unless there’s still three of them?) are still off somewhere in a wing. The NDP & Liberals have been propping up each other for years in their common agenda instead of just a sort’a ‘coincidental identical monopoly of announcements like we’ve seen in the trucker convoy thing’ but have only ‘come out’a the closet’ recently announcing their “non-coalition coalition” for synchronicity in announcement
That leaves Whatever Maxine Bernier’s breakaway party is called, and the Conservatives, and the Bloc Québécois (who’s only interest is Quebec and yet they’re still somehow a federal party?).
What is Centerist in TODAY’s political landscape in Canada?
I don't know, maybe a view from abroad could help clarify.
Let's see if we can find a broad and ask her.
There's five specific techniques I'd recommend. Three could work, two might could make y'all feel extra-special while y'all enjoy your little cabin in the political wilderness.
1. Explain your positions. Focus on jobs and the economy. Stay the hell away from culture-wars issues like abortion and sexuality. Emphasize your respect for and determination to preserve and protect the environment, but not at the expense of being paupers in paradise.
2. Modify your positions. Move to the left some. If the center is what used to be center-left, maybe the center-right should become what used to be the center.
3. Come up with new issues and new positions. Seems to me M. Poilievre's made a start on that. Say government's too complex and too internally inconsistent, and come up with a five-point plan of deliverables to streamline and simplify it and de-throne the gatekeepers.
Here's the two feel-better ones:
1. Break your already can't-win minority into a bunch of even smaller can't-win, bad-joke parties to piss and moan about how hard-done-by y'all are in the taverns of Edmonton.
2. Lay back, have a drink or twelve, puff some of that good, legal bud, and dream of seven stars, seven stones, and one white tree.
In the here and now, Ron in Regina, I bet you could come up with a platform that you believe in, and could get Serryah to vote for.
The most recent guess I can find quickly predates that last (couple?, they happen so often lately) federal election and is from Spring of 2019.
It places the Liberals, NDP, PPC, Bloc, & Greens all over on the left (with Liberals closest to the middle of those mentioned above at that point), & the Conservatives to the center right.
The Liberals arguably swung over to the left of the NDP to out-NDP them in the Liberal/NDP mating dance and union in their non-coalition coalition now that they’ve found the balls to tell their parents.
Maybe the whole country (the metropolitan Ottawa/Vancouver/Montreal/Toronto area’s anyway) have swung off to the left of the left….& that’s where the areas are ‘seat’ rich, even with the Conservatives getting the popular vote in the last two consecutive elections, we’ve gotten successive Trudeau governments regardless of the wants or needs of the rest of the country.
Now the Conservatives will have to swing ‘somewhat’ to the left a bit, as they have, within moderation, (& where would that put them on the political spectrum above?) but will have to keep in mind that they aren’t NDP/Liberals/CCP/BLOC/Greens when doing so…as they’re supposed to be the balance to the financial sieve, and the responsible parent in governance as their position and selling feature to those that eventually realize that someone has to pay for the Trudeau/Singh marriage.
It places the Liberals, NDP, PPC, Bloc, & Greens all over on the left (with Liberals closest to the middle of those mentioned above at that point), & the Conservatives to the center right.
The Liberals arguably swung over to the left of the NDP to out-NDP them in the Liberal/NDP mating dance and union in their non-coalition coalition now that they’ve found the balls to tell their parents.
Maybe the whole country (the metropolitan Ottawa/Vancouver/Montreal/Toronto area’s anyway) have swung off to the left of the left….& that’s where the areas are ‘seat’ rich, even with the Conservatives getting the popular vote in the last two consecutive elections, we’ve gotten successive Trudeau governments regardless of the wants or needs of the rest of the country.
Now the Conservatives will have to swing ‘somewhat’ to the left a bit, as they have, within moderation, (& where would that put them on the political spectrum above?) but will have to keep in mind that they aren’t NDP/Liberals/CCP/BLOC/Greens when doing so…as they’re supposed to be the balance to the financial sieve, and the responsible parent in governance as their position and selling feature to those that eventually realize that someone has to pay for the Trudeau/Singh marriage.
The problem I have with the above is that the CPC is too far left, that it should be over near Statism more.
But I agree that Liberalism has shifted more left itself, though I don't think it's gone passed NDP, rather I think NDP and Liberalism are neck and neck for a spot between Liberalism and Socialism.
The PPC is also wrong though to me; at least here in NB, they seemed more CPC/Statism than anything on the 'left'.
Greens, at least locally, seem more to be vying for the Liberal stance.
I know we're talking Federally mostly here, but I want to point out that Provincially, the CPC is not helping the Federal branch what so ever. Higgs has screwed the province over a LOT in his tenure and one of his latest gigs is to force - not suggest, FORCE, without much input of the locals at ALL - communities to amalgamate. If there wasn't so much wrong with the idea it might have been okay, but there's a push to get this done in basically 1 year, there was NO real consult with residents of the new 'Entities' (I'll be in 40), things we've been told were 'set in stone' turned out not to be when dealing with the Irvings, and there are too many questions and seeming conflicts of interest, IMO, for this to be legit.
When you have provincial parts of a party do shit like this, it reflects badly on the Federal level which is why I think sometimes the elections do go the way they do (on top of every other reason). If people think the province is screwing them over, the Federal under that same party will only do the same.
Jean Charest sounds a lot like Trudeau.. guess Trudeau will have a new QC Lieutenant!
This guy will push so many Conservatives to the PPC.
Actually not sure which one I hate more, Trudeau or Jean Charest
This guy will push so many Conservatives to the PPC.
Actually not sure which one I hate more, Trudeau or Jean Charest
Is there a direct relationship between Provincial and federal Conservatives in your area? We don’t have enough of a provincial Conservative party in BC to count so I don’t know what they do, but there is no relationship between thee BC Liberals and the federal liberals. BC liberals are more like conservatives.
Charest is a TurdOWE bootlicker. Anyone not supporting the convoy is a traitor.
Most political parties in the provinces look to their Fed counterparts somewhat. I mean, how is that somehow 'news' to you?
But more specifically, whether there is a 'direct' link or not doesn't matter overall. We're talking people, emotional voters with bias. The amount of times NB has swung from one side to the other in Federal elections is in part due to how the Province does.
Well right now, the Cons - heavy emphasis on Con - are the ones in power.
Last provincial Election, the Cons gained power because dissatisfaction, IMO, with how the Federal Liberals were doing. Throw in the rise of the Green and PPC (which was useless as they crossed the floor last week or the week before) and it killed Lib support at least provincially.
The Federal Election was in 2019; at that time, the province was near deadlock with minority government to the Cons.
A year later, in the General the Cons gain 7 seats to go into full control and it's been to our detriment since.
I'll admit the only 'good' they've done is a surplus but I question how we achieved it, considering Covid hit at that same time, and money got sent to all provinces to help deal.
It's not a full, direct influence, but it is there and to ignore it is, again, rather stupid.
Well, the political compass I posted is three years old & an election (or two) back, and things have shifted around somewhat…& it’s federal as opposed to individual provincial entities.
I too believe the NDP & Libs are intertwined so much for so long (though they’re just recently admitting it) that they’re pretty much interchangeable with the exception of the sniff test on corruption, but now that they’ve openly crawled into the same sleeping-bag only time will tell how much stank will rub off onto Jagmeet.
The Liberals have shifted left over into NDP territory to make them (NDP) even more irrelevant federally, so the NDP had to shift over even further into a parody of the left to distinguish themselves (openly, but not behind closed doors) as something different than Liberals.
I knew that when Justin & Jagmeet where mirroring each other’s words and finishing each other’s sentences (in separate press releases) like they did in advance of that trucker convoy protest that they where already in bed with each other.
(I can’t speak for local politics outside of where we reside)
Over the next three years, as inflation grows and paycheques purchasing power shrinks, and Justin has to not only further rent Jagmeet’s backing (which he would do anyway & has for years now), but out-Left him to make the NDP more irrelevant, the financial spiral will become obvious to all but the upper & lower extremes of the financial compass…and people will wake up, and realize they need to get their financial house (federally) in order.
It's hard to pigeon-hole Canadian politics to an accurate degree as the CPC harbours a lot of different "leanings" under one party umbrella. There are right wing populist factions, social conservatives and moderates all vying for power within. Such has been the way of things since confederation with a patchwork progression of mergers and breakups as various right-of-center factions sought to gain strength of numbers to defeat the liberal left. These internal differences still hinder the party today with leaders unable to unite the party to mount a significant challenge to the LPC who don't display the fragmented face that the CPC does. Even now their leadership campaign is taking on an adversarial approach, front-runners gain ground within the party at the risk of alienating other factions.
On a general note, I look at politicians who see exploiting the fears and anger of voters as a path to power as lower forms of life. It's cheap politics and is only serving to pit Canadian against Canadian.
On a general note, I look at politicians who see exploiting the fears and anger of voters as a path to power as lower forms of life. It's cheap politics and is only serving to pit Canadian against Canadian.
Spending is where the policy differences show up big time bvetween the right and the left. While there is wisdom to tightening the purse strings and shrinking the size of government, history has shown us a bleak downside to that strategy. The market freedom gained by lower regulation has given us economic and social inequality that has grown out of control to the point where it is having effects on our day to day lives in terms of health and social problems, and environmental decline. In short, we have turned over control of the economy to the corporate sector and they are using that power irresponsibly.
Yes the robber barons are making a comeback and leaving death and destruction in their wake . It looks like all regulatory bodies are having their budgets slashed and employment standards being squashed .
Yikes you are so 1960’s .
Control of the economy should reside with the corporate sector. Governments, and especially clueless left leaning ones have shown they are incapable of being fiscally responsible. Even the majority of social programs, which are based on sound ideals all show significant lack of basic fiscal responsibility.
Destroying resource sector jobs in rural ares to buy votes from clueless city leftys is not good governance.
We've been handing over more and more control to the corporate sector for the last forty or fifty years ans what have we got to show for it? A vanishing middle class and a dying environment. I'll tell you what's clueless, it's the "profit above all else" mindset of the very few at the top of the food chain.
PS: What is it about people like you that find it so hard to express themselves without insult and name-calling ? Didn't your parents ever teach you any manners ?
You are still living in the 1960’s , we have the largest middle class in the history of mankind , if you missed the boat , whose fault is that ? So does the corporate sector control the regulatory agencies , WCB , the CRTC and the CRA ? Where is this dying environment ? I can see beatle killed pine in our forests , but there is growth exploding in those forests , the same with clear cuts after a year or two the forest floor is booming . Our atmosphere is much cleaner then forty or so years ago as well what with the usage of natural gas and unleaded gasoline . Your doom and gloom senarios do not fit reality imho .
