Omnibus: Conservative Leadership Race

[Nick Danger]

The Good Ship Pee Pee sailed through the Okanagan yesterday, and while I didn't join the considerable crowds there is no shortage of news clips around because his campaign for the CPC leadership has gained considerable momentum. Like the Twitter link above, his use of the word "gatekeeper" showed up often. The gatekeepers are standing in the way skilled immigrants, the gatekeepers are standing in the way of home ownership, the gatekeepers are standing in the way of free enterprise. My question is simple, who are the gatekeepers and how will he deal with them ?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Nick, that’s a really good question, & I am not really sure of the answer…so I googled, & I still not really sure of the answer.

He sort of seems to be referring to Gov’t bureaucracy both the provincial and federal levels I think (?) but again I’m not sure with complete confidence.

LILLEY: Pierre Poilievre promises to set you free

“Remove the gatekeepers and open up the gates of opportunity,” the federal Conservative Party leadership contender said.

torontosun.com

“I want to give Canadians back control of their lives and make Canada the freest place on Earth,” he said during a recent interview.

It’s a stock line of his, even so early in the campaign, and he used it twice in the 23-minute interview. Poilievre has mastered one of the most important political lessons, keep your message simple and repeat it often.

What does that look like though? What does he mean by making Canada the freest place on Earth?

For Poilievre, that means getting government out of the way or, using his terms, removing the gatekeepers.
The reason new immigrants can’t work in the trade or profession they trained in is the gatekeepers who make unfair rules, he says. The reason young people can’t afford to buy a house in much of the country? Also gatekeepers, according to Poilievre, gatekeepers who block the construction of new homes for a growing population and drive up the prices.

I don’t see “Gatekeepers” defined or anyone asking for it to be defined Nick….

“My purpose in running for prime minister is to make Canada the freest country on Earth, so people can take back control of their lives,” Carleton MP Pierre Poilievre said before a scheduled stop at the Ciociaro Club. “That starts with combating government-caused inflation. More expensive government has made a more expensive cost of living because of inflationary deficits and taxes. Inflation is at a 30-year high. Housing inflation has smashed all previous records. We have the second worst housing bubble on planet Earth. This is all caused by government.”

Federal Conservative leadership candidate Pierre Poilievre stops in Windsor

Pierre Poilievre is one of 11 people vying for the job of Conservative party leader after Erin O’Toole was ousted in February.

windsorstar.com

“Instead of creating cash, we’re going to create more of what cash buys, by removing the government ‘gatekeepers’ to let us build more automobiles, grow more food, build more affordable houses and produce more Canadian energy,” said Poilievre. “By creating more of the products and services we’ll increase the supply and reduce the cost of living for our people.”

If it helps any, without any definition found, terms “Gatekeepers” & “Regulatory Gatekeepers” seems to be used interchangeably.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

My understanding is that the CMA (the body that regulates doctors for example) do not recognize a lot of foreign medical schools for whatever reason. Therefore a doctor trained in a foreign country cannot get medical certification here. I think they have a way to fast track it or perhaps that was being proposed at some point when this last came up. Other professions, which have closed certifications, face similar blockers. The other side of the coin is without this certification process, I could buy myself a medical degree from Frank's University in Long Beach California and become Dr. IRBS. While I feel for these taxi drivers trained as doctor's or engineers, there is a reason their university training was not recognized. I do think a fast track process would be a better solution but that would take something to set up. I am also not sure any of this is controlled by the Federal Government. I think the medial associations get the recognition and law that they have to certify a doctor from the provincial levels.

 

[petros]

It's not hard to figure out.

Here is one.

CICIC is Canada's National Information Centre and fulfills Canada's obligations under UNESCO conventions to facilitate the mobility of talent. As such, it is Canada's representative in the ENIC-NARIC Networks, and held the presidency or vice-presidency of the ENIC network from 2004 to 2008 and from 2013 to 2014.

CICIC is an integral part of a growing pan-Canadian and international network of people and organizations concerned with the assessment and recognition of academic and professional qualifications.

 

[Nick Danger]

If it helps any, without any definition found, terms “Gatekeepers” & “Regulatory Gatekeepers” seems to be used interchangeably.

Yeah, still a little vague though. It fits well with the conservative tenets of lower taxes/smaller government but it always makes me nervous as to just where the cuts will be made. Too many times in the past these same themes have been used to back off on government services for those who need them most and back-tracking on environmental protection. And I have to wonder about how he would deal with the high cost of housing, there's a fine line between influencing market forces and controlling them.

Call me cynical but I've been watching politics long enough to be worried when I see politicians playing on our fear and anger to push their own agendas. Mr. Lilley talks highly of how well repected Mr. Poilievre is in his home riding, I wonder how much better his constituents are doing than other Canadians ?

 

[Nick Danger]

My understanding is that the CMA (the body that regulates doctors for example) do not recognize a lot of foreign medical schools for whatever reason. Therefore a doctor trained in a foreign country cannot get medical certification here. I think they have a way to fast track it or perhaps that was being proposed at some point when this last came up. Other professions, which have closed certifications, face similar blockers. The other side of the coin is without this certification process, I could buy myself a medical degree from Frank's University in Long Beach California and become Dr. IRBS. While I feel for these taxi drivers trained as doctor's or engineers, there is a reason their university training was not recognized. I do think a fast track process would be a better solution but that would take something to set up. I am also not sure any of this is controlled by the Federal Government. I think the medial associations get the recognition and law that they have to certify a doctor from the provincial levels.

Exactly. It's one thing to speed up assessment of how well these potential Canadian professionals measure up to Canadian standards, but quite another thing to give them the opportunity to circumvent our professional requirements. We're feeling the pinch of the boomer retirement wave in a lot of areas, but that's no reason to lower our standards.

 

[petros]

Boomer retirement? That's long gone. Gen X is retiring now.

 

[petros]

Another "kept gate"..

By Ephraim Vecina
28 Apr 2019
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Despite robust funding and development activity, Ontario’s housing supply is hamstrung by the current regulatory regime governing the approval of new construction projects, according to the Ontario Building Officials Association.

In its recent study, the OBOA argued that streamlining development approval timelines would be crucial in ensuring the sustained supply of affordable housing across Ontario.
For perspective, the OBOA estimated that it
that it takes as much as 10 years to complete the required planning to get new building permits in the province.

“We have the best building codes in the world, which is why Ontarians feel safe in the places they live, work and play,” OBOA president Matt Farrell said. “We need to be cutting the red tape throughout the approvals processes to bring this housing to the market as quickly as possible.”

Regulatory roadblocks hampering Ontario housing supply – OBOA

Under current rules, as much as 10 years are needed to complete the planning associated with new projects

www.mpamag.com

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Yeah, still a little vague though. It fits well with the conservative tenets of lower taxes/smaller government but it always makes me nervous as to just where the cuts will be made. Too many times in the past these same themes have been used to back off on government services for those who need them most and back-tracking on environmental protection. And I have to wonder about how he would deal with the high cost of housing, there's a fine line between influencing market forces and controlling them.

Call me cynical but I've been watching politics long enough to be worried when I see politicians playing on our fear and anger to push their own agendas. Mr. Lilley talks highly of how well repected Mr. Poilievre is in his home riding, I wonder how much better his constituents are doing than other Canadians ?

That's politics these days (and always has been, by the way). Never work a problem. Pump it up into and OUTRAGE! that will DESTROY CIVILIZATION! and swear that if the good, hard-workin', Gawd-fearin' folk of Left Beaver Testicle will return you to Ottawa, you will SMASH the corrupt bastards infesting those halls.* See, if you actually work a problem, you won't be able to run on it next time.

*And you promise on a stack of bibles you won't become one of 'em.

 

[B00Mer]

 

[B00Mer]

 

[petros]

That's politics these days (and always has been, by the way). Never work a problem. Pump it up into and OUTRAGE! that will DESTROY CIVILIZATION! and swear that if the good, hard-workin', Gawd-fearin' folk of Left Beaver Testicle will return you to Ottawa, you will SMASH the corrupt bastards infesting those halls.* See, if you actually work a problem, you won't be able to run on it next time.

*And you promise on a stack of bibles you won't become one of 'em.

Do you need a cold call from Ice T and Steve Austin?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The view from outside Canaduh. . .

He seems OK to me. Wisely staying away from hot-button issues like abortion and same-sex marriage. Soundly pro-economy, pro-business. Genuinely concerned about the debt. That's important. Seems like the next PM may be the last with a real chance to keep Canada from following the U.S. down the bottomless debt-hole.

Kinda Harperish. Y'all could do worse (you're doing worse right now).

Again. . . disclaimer: I got an opinion, which is worth exactly whatever value I can put into discussions here. I neither have nor want any say in whether he or somebody else becomes PM. And that's as it should be.

 

[taxslave]

Doesn't matter what he says, the left will claim he has a hidden agenda. Fiscal restraint become slash social spending in their eyes. Not going to revisit abortion becomes Banning all abortions. etc.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Doesn't matter what he says, the left will claim he has a hidden agenda. Fiscal restraint become slash social spending in their eyes. Not going to revisit abortion becomes Banning all abortions. etc.

And that don't matter. The left was never gonna vote for him anyhow. You're shooting for the center, the moderates who are kind-sorta liberal-ish, the disaffected NDPers who are now seeing their party as the Libs tag-along little brother, and all the people of no or only loose party affiliation who are fed up with the feckless, nice-hair fascist. Not the ones who adore him, nor the ones who hates him forever, preciousss! They're in the bag.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

And that don't matter. The left was never gonna vote for him anyhow. You're shooting for the center, the moderates who are kind-sorta liberal-ish, the disaffected NDPers who are now seeing their party as the Libs tag-along little brother, and all the people of no or only loose party affiliation who are fed up with the feckless, nice-hair fascist. Not the ones who adore him, nor the ones who hates him forever, preciousss! They're in the bag.

In Canada, that means Ontario voters primarily. The Conservatives won't have any power unless they can win Ontario which is usually pretty much centre votes. Like it or not, whomever they choose has to win Ontario.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

In Canada, that means Ontario voters primarily. The Conservatives won't have any power unless they can win Ontario which is usually pretty much centre votes. Like it or not, whomever they choose has to win Ontario.

It's a little more complicated, but not all that different here.

In a democracy, populous provinces like Texifornia and Ontaribec will swing more weight than Yukon and Wyoming. Life's tough.

 

[taxslave]

Glad everyone but flossy agrees our electoral systems suck and don't give equal representation to large swaths of the country.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Glad everyone but flossy agrees our electoral systems suck and don't give equal representation to large swaths of the country.

Remember, 2015 was going to be the last one done on this horrible system. It was a TrueDope promise.

 

[taxslave]

Remember, 2015 was going to be the last one done on this horrible system. It was a TrueDope promise.

Like turdOWE would change a system that is rigged in his favour.