Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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I was able to purchase a ladder from a gang banger on the street for as little as $20. I am pretty sure if we could rid the streets of ladders, he would no longer be a gang banger.
That's pretty good. A decent Werner or Cotterman'll run ya fifty in Baltimore, even if you don't care about its history. Guaranteed clean is about a hundred.
Just go to the corner of Lombard and Patterson and ask for "G."
No need get it from the underground ladder world, I have a friend that will sell to me.
Ahhh.......the universal married guy's conundrum.
I'm thinking Ruger PC Carbine in 9mm..........
Don't be silly. Married guys don't need to use conundrums. Just put her on the Pill!
If you're looking for a convenient, pistol-calibre carbine, here's on I absolutely adore. Available in 9mm and .40 S&W.
Light, solid, literally FOLDS UP for convenience.
Never had a misfire.
Would be my guess as well or the media would have been all over it like the murder suicide legal gun owner report South of Edmonton last week.
I'm thinking drug related as well
RCMP and CBSA Contradict Public Safety Minister Bill Blair, RCMP Relents
Published May 9, 2020 by Christopher di Armani
Late Friday night the RCMP declared all 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns are legal “because we say so.”
Please read my assessment of Minister Blair’s similarly worded legal advice on Facebook and Twitter at the end of this article. My thoughts there apply to the RCMP’s latest as well.
Friday was not a good day for Public Safety Minister Bill Blair.
The Canadian Shooting Sports Association (CSSA) published another news release slamming the minister for his May 1, 2020, Order in Council banning over 1,500 specific makes and models of semi-automatic rifles.
On Friday morning, RCMP Technical Unit Supervisor Tim Hobbs confirmed an old Iver Johnson single-shot, fixed-choke 12-gauge shotgun with a 2 3/4” chamber would be reclassified as a Prohibited firearm.
This information was obtained via an unnamed firearm dealer who recorded a video while measuring the bore of the old shotgun before speaking to Mr. Hobbs.
Adding CBSA insult to the RCMP’s injury of the Public Safety Minister’s credibility, a 2019 Canadian Border Services Agency Memorandum (D19-13-2) defines “bore” as
But that wasn’t even the worst part of Bill Blair’s Friday daylight nightmare.
The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) issued an alert, New Canadian Gun Ban Poses Risks for Exported American Shotguns.
With each passing day, we discover more and more unintended consequences delivered by Bill Blair’s OIC.
Unfortunately, over two million licenced Canadian gun owners caught in legal limbo must now ask themselves what to believe:
I can’t trust a word that passes over Minister Bill Blair’s lips.
My only option (if I want to remain out of federal prison) is to believe the words the Public Safety Minister wrote and passed into law by Imperial Decree in SOR/2020-96.
Ultimately, this whole disaster will take a judicial ruling to sort out.
Until then, Minister Blair’s Facebook and Twitter decrees, along with the RCMP’s edict last night, that 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns are not affected by SOR/2020-96 carry zero weight with me, nor should they carry any weight with you.
I’ll pass on more about this ever-expanding fiasco as new information comes to light. We’re far from done on this, edicts from on high notwithstanding.
In the meantime, stay happy, healthy and safe until common sense returns to Canada.
Just don’t hold your breath while you wait.
https://christopherdiarmani.com/150...blic-safety-minister-bill-blair-rcmp-relents/
Published May 9, 2020 by Christopher di Armani
Late Friday night the RCMP declared all 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns are legal “because we say so.”
Please read my assessment of Minister Blair’s similarly worded legal advice on Facebook and Twitter at the end of this article. My thoughts there apply to the RCMP’s latest as well.
Friday was not a good day for Public Safety Minister Bill Blair.
The Canadian Shooting Sports Association (CSSA) published another news release slamming the minister for his May 1, 2020, Order in Council banning over 1,500 specific makes and models of semi-automatic rifles.
On Friday morning, RCMP Technical Unit Supervisor Tim Hobbs confirmed an old Iver Johnson single-shot, fixed-choke 12-gauge shotgun with a 2 3/4” chamber would be reclassified as a Prohibited firearm.
This information was obtained via an unnamed firearm dealer who recorded a video while measuring the bore of the old shotgun before speaking to Mr. Hobbs.
Adding CBSA insult to the RCMP’s injury of the Public Safety Minister’s credibility, a 2019 Canadian Border Services Agency Memorandum (D19-13-2) defines “bore” as
“the inside of the barrel of a firearm, from the throat to the muzzle, through which the projectile travels.”
By the CBSA’s definition,” said the CSSA news release, “it may be all 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns – not just those with removable chokes – that are now Prohibited firearms because they [Bill Blair’s office] do not consider the forcing cone, the ‘throat’ of the barrel, which exceeds the 20 mm maximum bore diameter specified in SOR/2020-96.”
But that wasn’t even the worst part of Bill Blair’s Friday daylight nightmare.
The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) issued an alert, New Canadian Gun Ban Poses Risks for Exported American Shotguns.
Based on strict reading of the new Canadian law (SOR/2020-96, Section 95) 12-gauge shotguns are banned because with the choke tube removed the muzzle diameter is 20mm or greater (depending on the model). The new law bans any firearm with a bore of 20mm or greater.
According to Canadian law, the barrel bore is measured at the widest point through which the projectile travels, which is the muzzle on a 12-gauge shotgun. 10-gauge shotguns may also be included in the ban.
We would urge all companies to exercise caution when deciding whether to export any 12-gauge or 10-gauge shotguns to Canada at this time. It is possible that the Canadian Border Security Agency (CBSA) could impound and/or seize the shipment. If impounded, you will face thousands of dollars in fees per day based on the size of your shipment. There have been public statements by Canadian officials suggesting that 12-gauge shotguns are not banned. However, the law as written has not been changed to remove any legal ambiguity.
NSSF® is attempting to obtain legally-reliable assurances from the Canadian government as to whether 12-gauge or 10-gauge shotguns can be lawfully exported to Canada. We will continue to monitor this situation and keep members updated on further developments.
Ignorance and stupidity have consequences – a timeless principle even Public Safety Minister Bill Blair may now understand.According to Canadian law, the barrel bore is measured at the widest point through which the projectile travels, which is the muzzle on a 12-gauge shotgun. 10-gauge shotguns may also be included in the ban.
We would urge all companies to exercise caution when deciding whether to export any 12-gauge or 10-gauge shotguns to Canada at this time. It is possible that the Canadian Border Security Agency (CBSA) could impound and/or seize the shipment. If impounded, you will face thousands of dollars in fees per day based on the size of your shipment. There have been public statements by Canadian officials suggesting that 12-gauge shotguns are not banned. However, the law as written has not been changed to remove any legal ambiguity.
NSSF® is attempting to obtain legally-reliable assurances from the Canadian government as to whether 12-gauge or 10-gauge shotguns can be lawfully exported to Canada. We will continue to monitor this situation and keep members updated on further developments.
With each passing day, we discover more and more unintended consequences delivered by Bill Blair’s OIC.
Unfortunately, over two million licenced Canadian gun owners caught in legal limbo must now ask themselves what to believe:
- a Facebook and Twitter post from the Minister two days ago?
- the Order in Council he published in Canada Gazette and passed into law seven days ago?
- The RCMP’s declaration last night?
I can’t trust a word that passes over Minister Bill Blair’s lips.
My only option (if I want to remain out of federal prison) is to believe the words the Public Safety Minister wrote and passed into law by Imperial Decree in SOR/2020-96.
Ultimately, this whole disaster will take a judicial ruling to sort out.
Until then, Minister Blair’s Facebook and Twitter decrees, along with the RCMP’s edict last night, that 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns are not affected by SOR/2020-96 carry zero weight with me, nor should they carry any weight with you.
I’ll pass on more about this ever-expanding fiasco as new information comes to light. We’re far from done on this, edicts from on high notwithstanding.
In the meantime, stay happy, healthy and safe until common sense returns to Canada.
Just don’t hold your breath while you wait.
https://christopherdiarmani.com/150...blic-safety-minister-bill-blair-rcmp-relents/
Don't be silly. Married guys don't need to use conundrums. Just put her on the Pill!
If you're looking for a convenient, pistol-calibre carbine, here's on I absolutely adore. Available in 9mm and .40 S&W.
Light, solid, literally FOLDS UP for convenience.
Never had a misfire.
I suspect the barrel is less than 18 1/2 inches long, which makes it restricted in Canada, and illegal to take anywhere but a range. They make the Ruger in a Canadian version with an 18 1/2 inch barrel, so that's what I'll go with.
It doesn't have to make sense, it is gov't policy.
Crap. Yeah, it's sixteen inches.
Sorry. It's one hell of a gun.
Ruger's a fine, reliable make. Enjoy it.
Yes! Stupid LIE-berals think we are dumber than they are and thus we WILL NOT ASK such questions!
On the plus side - such LIE-beral arrogance blinds them to approaching threats!
After all - science has PROVEN that LIE-berals have a SMALLER Amygdala - the part of the brain
that registers threats - IS MUCH SMALLER in LIE-berals than in Conservatives!
Hence the LIE-beral confidence that their Fake News is going UN-DETECTED!
The topic doesnt incite compromise from the left does it? I have yet to hear one leftist say that they are in favor on bans but the government went about it in the wrong way.
That is a fundemental flaw in leftist politics, they want their outcomes regardless of how much it compromises our system of equallity.
That is a fundemental flaw in leftist politics, they want their outcomes regardless of how much it compromises our system of equallity.
https://youtu.be/2dTQ-GuzU6Y?t=290
This video starts at 4min 50secs, and the guy makes his point within a minute. It has to do with Trudeau saying "You don't need this kind of weapon to hunt deer"
This video starts at 4min 50secs, and the guy makes his point within a minute. It has to do with Trudeau saying "You don't need this kind of weapon to hunt deer"
And, just for the record, CBC has quoted Trudeau saying "you don't need an AR-15 to take down a deer."
Do you think he will ever apologize for slandering the good name of all law abiding hunters?
LILLEY: Police don't call them assault weapons; why should you?
Don’t call it an assault weapon. Don’t call it a military weapon.
That was the advice from an article published in November 2016 in Blue Line, Canada’s national independent police magazine.
At the time, police across Canada were adopting what they call “patrol carbines” but what most people would call an AR-15, the rifle Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wants you to be deathly afraid of as he bans it from civilian use.
“These are not ‘assault rifles’ or military weapons. They have no full-auto capability,” writer and firearms instructor Dave Brown wrote in the police magazine.
Brown noted that some people were becoming concerned with the increased use of such firearms by police services across the country. That meant police forces had to get the terminology right.
“If you don’t do a good job of stating your case, you risk distancing yourself from the vast majority of supportive citizens; the ones who have always quietly paid the bills and supported law enforcement but don’t understand why you need a ‘military’ weapon,” Brown wrote.
“Stop pushing buttons: Avoid words on which an untrained public will focus. Patrol carbines are not a military weapon,” Brown stated, hammering the point home multiple times. “They are not an assault rifle, military rifle or machine gun.”
These words in Canada’s police magazine are very different from the words the government has been using.
“Today, we are closing the market for military-grade assault weapons in Canada,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said when he made the announcement of the gun ban on May 1.
Last week, Public Safety Minister Bill Blair went on CTV’s Power Play and said these rifles were being banned because they are so deadly.
“They are semi-automatic designed for military use, designed for soldiers to kill soldiers,” Blair said.
That’s nothing other than an outright lie, one that Blair as former chief of police in Canada’s largest city would know he was making. The AR-15 and the other rifles being banned under this cabinet order are not military-grade, they are not designed for soldiers.
No military in the world would send soldiers into battle in this day and age with a semi-automatic rifle. Even the Cold War rifle I trained on with the military in 1990 had a fully automatic capability.
The entire Trudeau gun ban is premised on the idea that the people who will vote for him don’t know that the guns being banned aren’t the crime guns shooting up our streets and are not the problem.
A report issued by the RCMP’s Canadian Firearms Program stated earlier this year that there was no reason licensed gun owners shouldn’t be denied the ability to own their guns.
“All applicants are screened to ensure that there are no reasons why, in the interest of public safety, they should not possess a firearm,” the RCMP report stated.
Not only are the gun owners that this ban targets vetted and approved by the RCMP, the experts the Trudeau government says it relies upon, so are the guns they own. Each of them tested, vetted and approved by the Mounties.
As we know, the real problem when it comes to gun violence in Canada, are the people who don’t obey the law. Gang members won’t get licenses, they won’t obey the law, they won’t obey any bans.
And they will continue to use the illegal handguns smuggled in from the United States while the Trudeau government spends hundreds of millions of dollars to take guns away from legal owners.
It’s a solution that won’t solve a problem that is very real and one that relies on you and the people around you not paying attention to the details.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...BN9iGNBKHCgv1xwHFLlyHdbylp_VdJudeEbKoVEpZ7-n4
Why, the solution is so simple!!
Civilians have military grade assault weapons, which the gov't doesn't want them to have, with a special focus on the AR 15.
The police have AR 15s, but they are most certainly, definitely, truely NOT military grade assault weapons, they are patrol carbines.
The only difference is that the police have 30 round magazines, and civilians only have 5 round magazines.
Obviously, the solution, both cheap and efficient, is to issue all owners of AR 15 military grade assault weapons a few 30 round magazines, thus magically converting their military grade assault weapon in to a harmless patrol carbine.
Don’t call it an assault weapon. Don’t call it a military weapon.
That was the advice from an article published in November 2016 in Blue Line, Canada’s national independent police magazine.
At the time, police across Canada were adopting what they call “patrol carbines” but what most people would call an AR-15, the rifle Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wants you to be deathly afraid of as he bans it from civilian use.
“These are not ‘assault rifles’ or military weapons. They have no full-auto capability,” writer and firearms instructor Dave Brown wrote in the police magazine.
Brown noted that some people were becoming concerned with the increased use of such firearms by police services across the country. That meant police forces had to get the terminology right.
“If you don’t do a good job of stating your case, you risk distancing yourself from the vast majority of supportive citizens; the ones who have always quietly paid the bills and supported law enforcement but don’t understand why you need a ‘military’ weapon,” Brown wrote.
“Stop pushing buttons: Avoid words on which an untrained public will focus. Patrol carbines are not a military weapon,” Brown stated, hammering the point home multiple times. “They are not an assault rifle, military rifle or machine gun.”
These words in Canada’s police magazine are very different from the words the government has been using.
“Today, we are closing the market for military-grade assault weapons in Canada,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said when he made the announcement of the gun ban on May 1.
Last week, Public Safety Minister Bill Blair went on CTV’s Power Play and said these rifles were being banned because they are so deadly.
“They are semi-automatic designed for military use, designed for soldiers to kill soldiers,” Blair said.
That’s nothing other than an outright lie, one that Blair as former chief of police in Canada’s largest city would know he was making. The AR-15 and the other rifles being banned under this cabinet order are not military-grade, they are not designed for soldiers.
No military in the world would send soldiers into battle in this day and age with a semi-automatic rifle. Even the Cold War rifle I trained on with the military in 1990 had a fully automatic capability.
The entire Trudeau gun ban is premised on the idea that the people who will vote for him don’t know that the guns being banned aren’t the crime guns shooting up our streets and are not the problem.
A report issued by the RCMP’s Canadian Firearms Program stated earlier this year that there was no reason licensed gun owners shouldn’t be denied the ability to own their guns.
“All applicants are screened to ensure that there are no reasons why, in the interest of public safety, they should not possess a firearm,” the RCMP report stated.
Not only are the gun owners that this ban targets vetted and approved by the RCMP, the experts the Trudeau government says it relies upon, so are the guns they own. Each of them tested, vetted and approved by the Mounties.
As we know, the real problem when it comes to gun violence in Canada, are the people who don’t obey the law. Gang members won’t get licenses, they won’t obey the law, they won’t obey any bans.
And they will continue to use the illegal handguns smuggled in from the United States while the Trudeau government spends hundreds of millions of dollars to take guns away from legal owners.
It’s a solution that won’t solve a problem that is very real and one that relies on you and the people around you not paying attention to the details.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...BN9iGNBKHCgv1xwHFLlyHdbylp_VdJudeEbKoVEpZ7-n4
Why, the solution is so simple!!
Civilians have military grade assault weapons, which the gov't doesn't want them to have, with a special focus on the AR 15.
The police have AR 15s, but they are most certainly, definitely, truely NOT military grade assault weapons, they are patrol carbines.
The only difference is that the police have 30 round magazines, and civilians only have 5 round magazines.
Obviously, the solution, both cheap and efficient, is to issue all owners of AR 15 military grade assault weapons a few 30 round magazines, thus magically converting their military grade assault weapon in to a harmless patrol carbine.
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Meh, it's Chinatown, Jake.
This is now down to "us v. them," with anything "us" does as the soul of enlightenment, or at the very least a wonderful, giant step toward Utopia, and everything "them" does as an EEE-vil, vicious attempt to drag us into the Abyss!
It'll only end (for a while, it never truly ends) when the sensible center asserts itself. I personally think y'all got a ways to go before that happens. I hope I'm wrong.
This is now down to "us v. them," with anything "us" does as the soul of enlightenment, or at the very least a wonderful, giant step toward Utopia, and everything "them" does as an EEE-vil, vicious attempt to drag us into the Abyss!
It'll only end (for a while, it never truly ends) when the sensible center asserts itself. I personally think y'all got a ways to go before that happens. I hope I'm wrong.
Is TrudOWE going to ban Ford trucks since they are made with military grade aluminum and kill more people every year than anAR15? And they are fully automatic as well.
No they aren't.
To quote the American expat science fiction author living in Canada, "It says automatic, but actually you have to push this button."