Gun Control is Completely Useless.

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Analysis of CPC Leadership Candidate’s Firearm Policy Statements
https://christopherdiarmani.com/151...dership-candidates-firearm-policy-statements/
And here is a list of firearms not listed as "variants", but nonetheless now banned.
Notice this doesn't include all the 10 and 12 ga shotguns with muzzle diameters over 20mm.
https://www.armalytics.ca/oic-additional-firearms?size=n_5_n
Notice that some of these firearms are bolt action hunting rifles.

It seems clear to me that they hold contempt for all law abiding gun owners.
 

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TOWHEY: New crime data contradicts government gun plans


Published: December 13, 2019



The latest crime data released by Statistics Canada make a mockery of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s posturing on gun violence.


The newly released data on homicides and gun violence in Canada during 2018 hold some surprises. Overall, murders are down – not up. Gun killings are down – not up. And gang-related homicides are also down – not up. This holds true almost everywhere in Canada, except in Ontario and Quebec.


For the Liberal government in Ottawa hell-bent on banning hunting and sport rifles, the cold, hard truth spelled out in this StatsCan report is very inconvenient, indeed.

Nationwide, murder was down in 2018


According to StatsCan, there were 651 homicides in Canada last year. That’s down 4% from 2017.


As much as murders are shocking events to good and honest people, and garner 24/7 media coverage, it’s important to remember – as StatsCan points out – homicide is exceedingly rare in Canada.


Compare 651 homicides last year (666 in 2017) to StatsCan figures for other causes of death in 2017 (the last year for which data is publicly available.) 1,968 people died in vehicle accidents. 4,108 died from accidental drug overdoses. 4,904 Canadians died from falls.


A prudent government motivated to reduce death and suffering might focus first on ladders.

Gun deaths down overall


Most murders are not committed with firearms. Last year, 249 of Canada’s 651 homicides were committed with a gun, down 8% from 2017 – the first reduction since 2013.


Maybe the wholesale trampling of Canadian freedoms by the government is needed after all.

Something’s wrong in Ontario


The national reduction in homicides and gun murders did not hold for Ontario which chalked up 69 more homicides in 2018 than 2017.
Toronto, in particular, had a bad year with 142 homicide victims – the most ever reported in what StatsCan calls the Toronto Census Metropolitan Area since 1981. That’s a 53% increase in victims and a 50% increase in the homicide rate over 2017, says StatsCan.


In fairness, three high-profile and unusual events helped spike Toronto’s murder toll: the Van Attack in April 2018 that killed 10, the eight serial murders attributed to Bruce MacArthur, plus two people killed during the Danforth terror attack. But, even without these events, the kill rate would still have ballooned 29% in the Toronto CMA.


Ontario also posted an increase in gun-related homicides: 36 more last year than in 2017.

Gang homicides down, but…


The overall rate of gang-related homicides was down across Canada for the first time in three years – except in Quebec and Ontario.


Still, criminal gangs remain the driving force behind homicides by gun. More than half (51%) of firearm-related homicides were related to gang activity, says Stats Can.


In Toronto, 94% of gang-related homicides were committed with a gun in 2018. That’s a 2% increase over 2017.


These facts suggest all the tough talk by Toronto mayor John Tory about banning guns and getting tough on crime have been, in a word, useless.


It’s an interesting correlation. Where homicides, especially gun killings, are down – the rate of gang-related killing is down. But where it’s up … it’s way up.


It’s almost like criminal gangs are the problem – not lawful gun ownership.

Illegal handguns the problem, not rifles


According to StatsCan, handguns have been the firearm of choice for murderers since the early 1990s. In 2018, 57% of gun-related homicides were committed with handguns.


Nation-wide, 83% of gang-related homicides used a gun – 85% of those were handguns.


Once again these data from the government’s own statistics agency point out the madness behind Trudeau plan to fight gun violence.

Instead of targeting gangs and illegal handguns in cities, he is focusing his legislation on banning rifles owned by law-abiding citizens in rural areas.

Most murder victims are criminals


The StatsCan data also confirm another fact the government prefers to ignore: most murderers are repeat offenders and half of their victims are themselves criminals.


In 2018, 63% of adults 18 years and older accused of homicide had a criminal record in Canada. One-third of accused persons 12 to 17 years old had a youth record.


Just over half (51%) of adult homicide victims in 2018 had a Canadian criminal record.


If the government spent as much time and money tracking known criminals as they do law-abiding gun owners, odds are Canada’s murder rate would plummet to record lows.


Just a thought.


https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/towhey-new-crime-data-contradicts-government-gun-plans
 

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Analysis of CPC Leadership Candidate’s Firearm Policy Statements
https://christopherdiarmani.com/151...dership-candidates-firearm-policy-statements/
And here is a list of firearms not listed as "variants", but nonetheless now banned.
Notice this doesn't include all the 10 and 12 ga shotguns with muzzle diameters over 20mm.
https://www.armalytics.ca/oic-additional-firearms?size=n_5_n
Notice that some of these firearms are bolt action hunting rifles.
That looks a lot like Maryland's list of banned long guns.

Amusingly, AR-15s are banned. But "heavy-barreled" AR-15s are not. And AR-10s (same design, chambered for 7.62X51 instead of 5.56x45) are not.

Guess which one causes far more destruction per shot? (I know you don't have to guess, Colpy.)

It proves that the drivers of the list are politics and ignorance.

The authority for maintaining and updating the list is the Maryland State Police. I personally know several Maryland State Policemen who have never fired a rifle. I've taken three of them to the range and put them through the familiarization course on the AR-15 myself. I'm taking another one to do just that this weekend. My range offers such a course, but I do it for free. It's worth it, because it gives me the opportunity to slip in a little education about firearms safety and the law that cops don't get at the academy.
 

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Just uphold the laws written and follow through on investigations.

Neighbour reported mass shooter's domestic violence, weapons to police

HALIFAX — A former neighbour of the gunman behind last month's mass shooting in Nova Scotia says she reported his domestic violence and cache of firearms to the RCMP years ago and ended up leaving the community herself due to fears of his violence.
Brenda Forbes said that in the summer of 2013, she told police about reports that Gabriel Wortman had held down and beaten his common law spouse behind one of the properties he owned in Portapique, a coastal community west of Truro.
Domestic violence is being examined as a key aspect of the mass shooting, as police have said the rampage began on the night of April 18 after the gunman argued with his common law spouse and restrained and beat her before she managed to escape into the woods.
He went on to kill 22 people and burn a number of homes before police shot and killed him outside a gas station in Enfield, N.S.
Forbes said her first awareness of Wortman's domestic violence was shortly after he moved to Portapique in the early 2000s, when his partner came to her door and asked for help.
"She ran to my house and said Gabriel was beating on her and she had to get away. She was afraid," said the 62-year-old veteran of the Canadian Forces.
Forbes said she encouraged her neighbour to seek help but recalled that she was frightened of her partner and of repercussions of going to police due to threats he'd made against her family.
She said that in 2013 she learned Wortman had been seen hitting his partner behind one of his properties.
"He had her on the ground, was strangling her .... He was beating on her," she said of the account she heard, saying there were three male witnesses.
"On that incident, I called the RCMP and I told them what happened, and I said he has a bunch of illegal weapons, and I know because he showed them to us," said Forbes, who has since moved outside the province...…….More
 

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They die defending your right to be a child on the internet. Isn't that doing their job?
 

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After an 8 month process, my very first rifle ever arrived in the mail on Monday.


Poor guy.


Thanks, Justin.
 

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Just uphold the laws written and follow through on investigations.

Neighbour reported mass shooter's domestic violence, weapons to police






Oh dear me - there is a whole lot of "he saw" and "she said" but "they did not report" - in that news article!


My point is that always SLIMY LIE-berals will slip away from this pile of political crap - by the simple expedient of asking:


"how do you expect us to react if stuff is not reported"!


Of course they are INEFFECTUAL even when things are reported - its just that no report means there is a BETTER EXCUSE


for our slippery political weasels!
 

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Oh dear me - there is a whole lot of "he saw" and "she said" but "they did not report" - in that news article!
My point is that always SLIMY LIE-berals will slip away from this pile of political crap - by the simple expedient of asking:
"how do you expect us to react if stuff is not reported"!
Of course they are INEFFECTUAL even when things are reported - its just that no report means there is a BETTER EXCUSE
for our slippery political weasels!

She claimed in the article that she and her husband reported multiple times, including the firearm stash, just no follow up investigation outside of taking their statement.
 

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I'm wondering what sort of legal options are there. Can a group of them start a class action suit against the government and while they are litigation will it delay the confiscation?
 

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Does a gun owner in Canada have the right to ship their guns to a vaulted storage facility in the USA? hardly a good resolution but it would be one where the canadian gov doesnt get their filthy paws on it.
 

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If a firearm is disassembled into multiple pieces and distributed to multiple owners, is there any 1 piece that is considered a firearm?
 

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Does a gun owner in Canada have the right to ship their guns to a vaulted storage facility in the USA? hardly a good resolution but it would be one where the canadian gov doesnt get their filthy paws on it.
Vaulted? Shoot, boy, a cardboard box is fine here in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Ballistic.