COVID-19 'Pandemic'

petros

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In time of war, or of emergency proclaimed by the President, he may utilize the Service to such extent and in such manner as shall in his judgment promote the public interest.

Where on earth does it say "unless a grumpy Governor decides otherwise"?
 

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In time of war, or of emergency proclaimed by the President, he may utilize the Service to such extent and in such manner as shall in his judgment promote the public interest.

Where on earth does it say "unless a grumpy Governor decides otherwise"?


You may argue he has the right to close down states but I don't see how he would have the right to countermand state given stay at home orders. I think almost all the orders are state originated not issued by the federal government.
 

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In time of war, or of emergency proclaimed by the President, he may utilize the Service to such extent and in such manner as shall in his judgment promote the public interest.
Where on earth does it say "unless a grumpy Governor decides otherwise"?

Read closely.

None of that enables the president to order states to reopen businesses and to lift their stay at home orders.
 

petros

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You may argue he has the right to close down states but I don't see how he would have the right to countermand state given stay at home orders. I think almost all the orders are state originated not issued by the federal government.
Currently, yes but he does have the power available to shut down the country or give the all clear and cut off aid if he chose. At current that is the Governors job because he never didnt go that far.
 

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None of that enables the president to order states to reopen businesses and to lift their stay at home orders.
Stay within reality.

Did he go full nut on executive powers? No. Can he go full nut giving Fed agencies control to overrule States? Yes. Did he? No. Can he give an all clear for States to end measures? Yup. Will it matter? Possibly, at that point Fed assistance might end or be reduced. Do some people need to get back to work? Yes. Agriculture needs key people ASAP. Is that of critical National Interest? Yes. Will that take incentives like danger pay? Probably. Can you live with people going back to work to feed the Nation and a portion of the world?

Even with States giving the all clear its ultimately up to the worker whether or not they feel safe returning to work.

We'll worry about that when the time comes. With only 56% of Americans complying with restrictions, that'll be a while. Maybe tighter measures are needed?
 
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You may argue he has the right to close down states but I don't see how he would have the right to countermand state given stay at home orders. I think almost all the orders are state originated not issued by the federal government.
That's correct.

And nothing in the quoted section gives the president the power to impose martial law.

Conald Trump cannot order "re-opening of the economy," nor rescind gubernatorial stay-at-home orders.

All he can do is throw rolls of paper towels to hurricane victims and order his name put on government checks.
 

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Yup.
Btw, how can Trump cut funding to WHO when the house appropriates the funding? Just askin.
The statute allocating that money to the WHO allows the president, under certain circumstances, to withhold the money, just as the statute allocating the Ukrainian aid money authorized the president to withhold it if the executive branch concluded that Ukraine was not making sufficient progress against corruption.

As we saw, that statute did not authorize the president to withhold the Ukraine aid in order to blackguard Ukraine into lying to boost his re-election chances.

I suspect that in the future, Congress will significantly tighten the reasons presidents can withhold payments allocated and authorized by Congress. Which is a good thing.
 

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The statute allocating that money to the WHO allows the president, under certain circumstances, to withhold the money, just as the statute allocating the Ukrainian aid money authorized the president to withhold it if the executive branch concluded that Ukraine was not making sufficient progress against corruption.
As we saw, that statute did not authorize the president to withhold the Ukraine aid in order to blackguard Ukraine into lying to boost his re-election chances.
I suspect that in the future, Congress will significantly tighten the reasons presidents can withhold payments allocated and authorized by Congress. Which is a good thing.
Further to this, what Conald Trump is actually doing is holding up the money for WHO subject to a statutorily-authorized review.

So, basically he's roaring and swinging his dick around, pretending to be a hard man and the Big Boss and yelling about how he's punishing WHO for not putting AMERICA FIRST!, when actually he's engaged in a routine, authorized review process. Unsurprising, considering we have an eyewitness account that indicates ol' Conald's dick ain't much. As the old saying goes, "Kinda like a dick, only smaller."
 

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Stay within reality.
Did he go full nut on executive powers? No. Can he go full nut giving Fed agencies control to overrule States? Yes. Did he? No. Can he give an all clear for States to end measures? Yup. Will it matter? Possibly, at that point Fed assistance might end or be reduced. Do some people need to get back to work? Yes. Agriculture needs key people ASAP. Is that of critical National Interest? Yes. Will that take incentives like danger pay? Probably. Can you live with people going back to work to feed the Nation and a portion of the world?
Even with States giving the all clear its ultimately up to the worker whether or not they feel safe returning to work.
We'll worry about that when the time comes. With only 56% of Americans complying with restrictions, that'll be a while. Maybe tighter measures are needed?


Trump cannot reverse stay at home orders enacted by the state and nothing you presented says he can.

Reality.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Trump cannot reverse stay at home orders enacted by the state and nothing you presented says he can.
Reality.
Yeah, but when the Republic of Prairie Paradise throws out them Quetario scum, they'll repeal reality!

You'll see. You'll be sorry you were so mean to them.
 

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Yeah, but when the Republic of Prairie Paradise throws out them Quetario scum, they'll repeal reality!
You'll see. You'll be sorry you were so mean to them.


Even Trump walked back his ridiculous comments the next day.

I imagine the staffer who told him he was wrong has been quietly turfed.
 

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Further to this, what Conald Trump is actually doing is holding up the money for WHO subject to a statutorily-authorized review.
So, basically he's roaring and swinging his dick around, pretending to be a hard man and the Big Boss and yelling about how he's punishing WHO for not putting AMERICA FIRST!, when actually he's engaged in a routine, authorized review process. Unsurprising, considering we have an eyewitness account that indicates ol' Conald's dick ain't much. As the old saying goes, "Kinda like a dick, only smaller."

Thanks for info.
 

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News Alert Apr 14, 6:36 PM
Trump halts funding to World Health Organization ‘while a review is conducted’ into what he called mismanagement of the pandemic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...src=al_news__alert-hse--alert-national&wpmk=1
unbelievable..........but Trumpian. .

China Blasts Trump’s Move to Pull WHO Funding, Pledges Support

Interesting eh?

I guess Scheer bad too

Scheer, Conservatives raise concerns about WHO data, relationship with China

One of the top scientists from Canada that lead the group that travelled to Wuhan refuses to answer questions on what happened, and what was agreed too.
 

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'They are here': Weekend warriors dodge COVID-19 and shaming by hiding out in cottage country

Trudeau under fire for Easter trip despite urging Canadians to ‘sacrifice’ plans

Avoiding the hard questions

But shortly after calling on Canadians to "stay home" and "Skype that big family dinner," Trudeau crossed the provincial border from Ottawa into Quebec to visit his wife and three children at Harrington Lake.
Harrington Lake is the name of a federally designated heritage building maintained by the National Capital Commission that serves as the country residence of Canadian prime ministers.
While only a half-hour drive from Ottawa, getting to the residence requires crossing the provincial border into Quebec, something police recently set up checkpoints in a bid to limit.

Trudeau defended the travel when questioned by journalists on Tuesday at his daily briefing.
"After three weeks of my family living up at Harrington and me working here, I went to join them for Easter weekend. We continue to follow all the instructions from public health authorities," he said.
"Yes, but did somebody tell you this was OK?" asked the journalist.
"All over social media, people are wondering why this exception was OK for you, why it was OK for you to go see your family at the cottage."
"My family has been living there for three weeks," Trudeau repeated. "This is where my wife and my children live."

And it goes on

It is not clear why Grégoire Trudeau and the Trudeau children have decided to live there or why they chose not to come back to Ottawa for Easter.
Unlike from Ottawa into Gatineau, non-essential travel from Gatineau into Ottawa is not restricted — however, it is possible that had the family returned to Ottawa, they might not have been allowed to go back to their country residence afterwards.
Ontario Premier Doug Ford urged Ontarians not to travel to cottages over the Easter weekend.
“Please, this long weekend, do not go to your cottage. We can’t stress that enough,” Ford said last week.

Leaving the Quebec premier Legault speechless

Quebec Premier Francois Legault was asked about Trudeau's trip by journalists on Tuesday.
Specifically, one asked him whether he worried the visit set a bad example.
"What do you say to Quebeckers who say well, if Prime Minister Justin Trudeau did that, I'll do the same thing?" the journalist asked.
"No comment," Legault responded.