Agree.
MH370 disappearing and the Kraut guy flying into the mountain 2 years ago make this inevitable.
Eliminate pilot error and/ or mental health problems in one go.
All flight training can go to Vegas.
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MH370 disappearing and the Kraut guy flying into the mountain 2 years ago make this inevitable.
Eliminate pilot error and/ or mental health problems in one go.
All flight training can go to Vegas.
Flip back a few lines of post .....................................
and blame Nut Zone Doug.........................................
it was HIS subject change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is typical Nut Zone and LIE-beral CRAP...............................
change the subject when you are being made to look a bigger fool than usual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Praise your God that Canada hasn't purchased this pile of junk.
Air New Zealand uses the SAPs system for its logistics , why the complications?
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Congressional watchdog skeptical on new F-35 logistics system.
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon is moving forward on a redesign of the F-35’s troubled logistics system, but a congressional watchdog organization is urging the department to hammer out critical details such as the cost and technical risks associated with the new system.
Earlier this year, the F-35 Joint Program Office announced that it would be doing away with the Lockheed Martin-designed Autonomic Logistics Information System, or ALIS, which is used to track and order spare parts, conduct mission planning, guide maintainers through repairs, and other key functions necessary to support the Joint Strike Fighter.
Due to longstanding performance problems with ALIS, the Defense Department intends to co-develop a new cloud-based replacement with Lockheed known as the Operational Data Integrated Network, or ODIN, which would be fielded by 2022.
But in a new report released Monday, the Government Accountability Office noted that the Department of Defense still needs to solidify the acquisition strategy and goals of ODIN.
“As DOD proceeds with replacing ALIS with ODIN, it will be imperative for the department to carefully consider and assess the key technical and programmatic uncertainties discussed in this report,” the GAO stated. “These issues … are complex, and will require significant direction and leadership to resolve.”
Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Mike Andrews said in a statement that the move to ODIN will create “a new, cloud native system that incorporates a new integrated data environment and a new suite of user-centered applications” and include strengthened cyber protections as well as real-time monitoring of system performance.
Although the GAO did not finish its report until this month, it primarily based its findings on data from fiscal 2019, meaning that the report may not take into account the F-35 program’s newest information on ODIN.
However, the GAO raised questions about the scope of the ODIN program, most of which have not publicly been answered.
“DOD lacks clarity about the goals of the re-design, such as the capabilities that will be included in the future system and the extent to which ALIS will be hosted in the cloud,” the organization stated.
“In addition, DOD has not fully assessed key risks or uncertainties, including the extent to which DOD can adopt an Agile software development approach or manage the system itself. Finally, because it has not answered key questions about the future of the system, such as the extent to which the re-design will incorporate current ALIS software, DOD has not been able to develop accurate cost estimates for the ALIS re-design.”
more
https://www.defensenews.com/air/202...chdog-skeptical-on-new-f-35-logistics-system/
Air New Zealand uses the SAPs system for its logistics , why the complications?
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Congressional watchdog skeptical on new F-35 logistics system.
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon is moving forward on a redesign of the F-35’s troubled logistics system, but a congressional watchdog organization is urging the department to hammer out critical details such as the cost and technical risks associated with the new system.
Earlier this year, the F-35 Joint Program Office announced that it would be doing away with the Lockheed Martin-designed Autonomic Logistics Information System, or ALIS, which is used to track and order spare parts, conduct mission planning, guide maintainers through repairs, and other key functions necessary to support the Joint Strike Fighter.
Due to longstanding performance problems with ALIS, the Defense Department intends to co-develop a new cloud-based replacement with Lockheed known as the Operational Data Integrated Network, or ODIN, which would be fielded by 2022.
But in a new report released Monday, the Government Accountability Office noted that the Department of Defense still needs to solidify the acquisition strategy and goals of ODIN.
“As DOD proceeds with replacing ALIS with ODIN, it will be imperative for the department to carefully consider and assess the key technical and programmatic uncertainties discussed in this report,” the GAO stated. “These issues … are complex, and will require significant direction and leadership to resolve.”
Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Mike Andrews said in a statement that the move to ODIN will create “a new, cloud native system that incorporates a new integrated data environment and a new suite of user-centered applications” and include strengthened cyber protections as well as real-time monitoring of system performance.
Although the GAO did not finish its report until this month, it primarily based its findings on data from fiscal 2019, meaning that the report may not take into account the F-35 program’s newest information on ODIN.
However, the GAO raised questions about the scope of the ODIN program, most of which have not publicly been answered.
“DOD lacks clarity about the goals of the re-design, such as the capabilities that will be included in the future system and the extent to which ALIS will be hosted in the cloud,” the organization stated.
“In addition, DOD has not fully assessed key risks or uncertainties, including the extent to which DOD can adopt an Agile software development approach or manage the system itself. Finally, because it has not answered key questions about the future of the system, such as the extent to which the re-design will incorporate current ALIS software, DOD has not been able to develop accurate cost estimates for the ALIS re-design.”
more
https://www.defensenews.com/air/202...chdog-skeptical-on-new-f-35-logistics-system/
The SOVIET STOOGE comments on a subject he knows NOTHING ABOUT!
And offers ONLY such facts as his Red Chinese handlers want him to know and dicuss!
Please inform me by private message if STB actually post anything on subject, aside from personal attacks and name calling.
This has been a time saving public service announcement by NZDoug.
This has been a time saving public service announcement by NZDoug.
Please inform me by private message if STB actually post anything on subject, aside from personal attacks and name calling.
This has been a time saving public service announcement by NZDoug.
Apparently Nut Zone Doug is finding it to be QUITE HARD to sell his Red Chinese propaganda these days!
And in TRUE Soviet Socialist LIE-beral fashion - he prefers censorship over producing more valid and logical arguments!
Oh No !!!
All options are on the table, especially cutting the quantity.
Canada is wise to avoid these p.o.s.
Good work, Justin!
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"Top Marine ‘signaling’ to industry that F-35 cuts are on the table"
Marine Commandant Gen. David Berger told reporters Wednesday that he is a firm believer in the capabilities the F-35 is bringing, in particular the jump-jet B model favored by the service. However, Berger made it clear he’s not wedded to long-term procurement plans, at a time the corps is shedding legacy missions as it pivots to focus to a primarily naval-focused service.
Berger noted that an upcoming independent review of his force posture plans, expected to be completed in the next few months, could be a forcing function for more changes. Already, his planning guidance to the corps changed how many planes are featured in each F-35 squad, from 16 to 10.
Longstanding plans call for the Marines to procure 353 of the F-35B and 67 of the F-35C carrier variants.
“Right now, the program of record plows ahead as it is,” he said. “But I’m signaling to the industry, we have to be prepared to adjust as the operating environment adjusts. Right now, the program of record stays the same, but we will — we must — adapt to the adversary and we must adapt to the operating environment that we’re challenged with being in.”
more
https://www.defensenews.com/air/202...-to-industry-that-f-35-cuts-are-on-the-table/
All options are on the table, especially cutting the quantity.
Canada is wise to avoid these p.o.s.
Good work, Justin!
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"Top Marine ‘signaling’ to industry that F-35 cuts are on the table"
Marine Commandant Gen. David Berger told reporters Wednesday that he is a firm believer in the capabilities the F-35 is bringing, in particular the jump-jet B model favored by the service. However, Berger made it clear he’s not wedded to long-term procurement plans, at a time the corps is shedding legacy missions as it pivots to focus to a primarily naval-focused service.
Berger noted that an upcoming independent review of his force posture plans, expected to be completed in the next few months, could be a forcing function for more changes. Already, his planning guidance to the corps changed how many planes are featured in each F-35 squad, from 16 to 10.
Longstanding plans call for the Marines to procure 353 of the F-35B and 67 of the F-35C carrier variants.
“Right now, the program of record plows ahead as it is,” he said. “But I’m signaling to the industry, we have to be prepared to adjust as the operating environment adjusts. Right now, the program of record stays the same, but we will — we must — adapt to the adversary and we must adapt to the operating environment that we’re challenged with being in.”
more
https://www.defensenews.com/air/202...-to-industry-that-f-35-cuts-are-on-the-table/
Pity poor Nut Zone Doug!
His Red Chinese masters are pushing him hard to crank out that crude Soviet Socialist Propaganda!
Beijing Butchers DO NOT want to talk about that Vietnamese fishing boat that a Chinese destroyer rammed and sank
because the Viets were not being properly respectful of the UNILATERAL Beijing Butcher declaration that HUGE SWATHS of
previously open ocean ARE NOW BEING CLAIMED AS TERRITORIAL WATERS by Beijing!
Beijing is openly defying and bullying FIVE other countries by denying them fishing rights in what used to be
their own home waters!
Red Chinese actions in grabbing and fortifying islands claimed by various other govts in the South China Sea
are MORE LIKELY to encourage sales of F 35`s than the reverse - but this a point that is TOO SUBTLE
for a crude propagandist like Nut Zone Doug!!
Please inform me by private message if STB actually post anything on subject, aside from personal attacks and name calling.
This has been a time saving public service announcement by NZDoug.
This has been a time saving public service announcement by NZDoug.
Please inform me by private message if STB actually post anything on subject, aside from personal attacks and name calling.
This has been a time saving public service announcement by NZDoug.
Oh dear me! Nut Zone Doug is under HUGE PRESSURE from his Beijing Butcher Masters to sell the Red Chinese Propaganda!
Here are some fun questions we should be asking LIE-berals:
Why is it that LIE-beral friendly media is working so very hard to SHARE THE BLAME for Wuhan Virus with various levels of govt that DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY to deal with the Pestilence early on in any sensible way?
I point out that our provincial premiers have been doing all the heavy lifting on the Wuhan Mess - ordering and enforcing social distancing, making lists of non essential biz that must closed down and closing schools and such - while Our idiot Boy Justin and his federal LIE-berals IGNORED all the travellers carrying the Pestilence through our air ports that ARE REGULATED BY federal LIE-berals!
Wuhan Pestilence was BROUGHT TO CANADA by travellers that federal LIE-berals SHOULD HAVE BEEN REGULATING and did not!
In other news LIE-beral friendly Ontari-owe news media has been offering up fair praise for the job Doug Ford is doing and yet they also happily throw mud at him by printing NASTY SMEARS about alleged violations of our “civil rights’! Social distancing is a PROVEN way to keep SAFE in a Pandemic - yet LIE-berals keep muttering about the “unfairness” of ticketing idiots who refuse to behave sensibly - as if Ford were some sort of dictator in the Trudope mold!!
IT IS MY RIGHT not to be exposed to a highly contagious and potentially deadly disease and it is OUR RIGHT to avoid having our entire country BANKRUPTED because a minority of IDIOTS engage in risky stupid behaviour! The whiners complaining about being banned from the park and of being prevented from holding large parties are VIOLATING THE RIGHTS OF THE MAJORITY and should be punished accordingly!
A similar LIE-beral friendly media CON JOB is being perpetrated south of the border where LIE-beral minded state officials - WHO ARE in control of local public health units - are castigating Trump for not doing enough - even as some state governors dragged their feet on doing ANYTHING!
The Yankee health care system is essentially IN PRIVATE HANDS and offers state officials LIMITED CONTROL - with NO REAL ROOM at all for federal influence - until and unless there is a proven national disaster - yet desperate LIE-berals seek to blame Trump anyway!
And in related news - New York City is the Yankee epicentre for the Pestilence simply because it is a MAJOR transportation hub - with people from all over the planet passing through its airports and hotels - with INEVITABLE infection of the general public by Wuhan Virus carriers who have not been restricted in their travels!
And as we KNOW - China was at the start of the Pestilence - with Iran close behind and WE KNOW how loudly LIE-berals would SCREAM if Trump had suggested closing the borders to Chinese and Iranian Pestilence carriers!
Thus the ONLY WAY to protect New Yorkers would have been to CLOSE THE AIRPORTS AND QUARANTINE TRAVELLERS! And of course Trump has already been HATED for wanting to close the borders to Muslim Terrorists - how much meaner would the personal attacks by LIE-berals have become if Trump wanted to close the borders to Muslims and ethnic Chinese because both groups are travelling from Wuhan Virus EPICENTERS!
LIE-berals want it BOTH WAYS! They want to virtue signal to potentially dangerous religious and ethnic groups and they want to AVOID RESPONSIBILITY for the consequences of NOT RESTRICTING problem plague carriers!
We all know that LIE-berals are HIGHLY RELUCTANT to close border or restrict travellers under any circumstances! In Toronto during the SARS CRISIS - the virus seemed to be coming under control - until some bored idiots broke quarantine and went out to inflict a second wave of infections on us!
During the SARS MESS, LIE-berals were highly resistant to limiting travel and only grudgingly implemented screening at airports - with NO real restrictions on travellers and LIE-berals followed the same play book during the early and middle stages of the Wuhan Crisis and LIE-berals ONLY BEGAN TO GET SERIOUS about Wuhan AFTER it became abundantly CLEAR that Wuhan carriers could be INFECTIOUS without showing any symptoms!
LIE-berals suddenly registered on how hard it would be to track sick people if they did not show ANY symptoms of being ill - thus the sudden LIE-beral interest in social distancing - in preference to forcing travellers to quarantine! LIE-berals seek the EASY WAY in all things!
And in other news - isnt it nice of Our idiot Boy Justin to send China SIXTEEN TONS of good Cdn medical gear and then later - AFTER China got a grip on the Pandemic - Chinese industry sold Ontari-owe 62,000 FAULTY MEDICAL MASKS!
In related news, WE KNOW that SARS originated with Chinese people eating Civet Cats, Bird Flu originated on unsanitary Chinese Poultry farms, Swine Flu originated on unsanitary Chinese HOG farms and Wuhan Virus originated with Chinese eating Fruit Bats that carry the Virus!
So WHY are the Beijing Butchers trying to convince the world that Wuhan Pestilence was created in a U.S. army military lab?
After the SARS mess - China promised to do a better job of restricting so called “wet markets” where bush meat from Fruit bats and Civet Cat and other wild life were being sold - but that promise has been FORGOTTEN - and the result has been the Wuhan Crisis - coming from those same Wet Markets!
Should we assume Chinese thinking is influenced by the Cdn govt decision - made in summer 2019 - to EXPEL some Chinese nationals who had been working at a Cdn research lab and the Chinese had been caught shipping assorted virus samples BACK TO BEIJING for reasons nobody can explain!
There was speculation in some circles that China was getting engaged in biological warfare and wanted samples of bacteria that we held so they could tinker with them to make them ore dangerous to us in ways we could not easily respond to!
Frankly - from the beginning of the 20th century on - MANY GOVTS have dreamed of being able to create a virus that would hit their enemies hard while the home population was protected by an antidote! Alternatively - there have been mad dictator dreams of turning loose a Pandemic on the world - with the Dictator being the only one to have a cure - that could be sold at HIGH PROFIT!
In late summer 2019 - there was a wave of expulsions of Chinese citizens from both Canada and United States - with this SPECIFIC CONCERN by security officials that Red China was planning some sort of biological weapon!
We should ask if Beijing Butchers are spreading this rumour of Yankee involvement in creating Wuhan Virus to HIDE CHINESE INVOLVEMENT! Or is Beijing smearing Yankees out of SPITE over the embarrassing uprising in Hong Kong and over the exposure of Chinese Slave Labour Camps or over the Trump Trade War that China has been losing!
Based on the treatment meted out to Cdns - meaning The Two Michaels - Spavour and Kovrig - snatched off the street and held in solitary confinement as punishment for Cdn arrest of Huawei CEO Meng who is now lounging under LOOSE house arrest at her luxurious Vancouver mansion while awaiting her fate regarding the accusations of violating United Nations Sanctions against Iran and she is also accused of BANK FRAUD within United States related to the sanctions; along with the Chinese choice last fall - to ban imports of Cdn Pork and canola oil - we can see that China is openly HOSTILE to the West!
In other news - China continues its ugly habit of harassing ships that stray into waters that China has UNILATERALLY CLAIMED as its territory - over the protests of FIVE other govts who have been SHUT OUT of what fairly should be either their home waters or free and open sea lanes! Yes - China now claims control over waters that had previously been INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING ROUTES!
In the most recent incident, a Vietnamese fishing boat was rammed and sunk by a Chinese destroyer in what had PREVIOUSLY BEEN Vietnamese home waters!
The Beijing Butchers are BEYOND being untrustworthy -they are becoming OUT- RIGHT DANGEROUS! And LIE-beral excuses on behalf of the Beijing Butchers ARE NOT making the world a safer place!
Oh dear me! Nut Zone Doug has completely LOST HIS MIND!
Now he is actually PROMOTING a video that ADVERTISES the F35 that he has been scorning!
What is your issue now NUT?
Are your Chinese spy masters trying to kiss and make up with the world now that their efforts to blame Wuhan Virus on YANKEES
HAS FAILED? Are the Beijing Butchers getting upset that their efforts to MUDDY THE POLITICAL WATERS are being laughed at?
Is Beijing DISTRESSED now that photos of Chinese ships helping North Korea BREAK United Nations Sanctions have been
SPLASHED ALL OVER THE NEWS?
Is Beijing beginning to FEAR that the EVIDENCE IS PILING UP against Huawei chief Meng?
Is Beijing becoming FEARFUL that their bully boy ways HAVE BACK FIRED and that the world has been alerted to the SLOVENLY
WAYS and casual Chinese attitude to things like BASIC SANITATION in the production of FOOD and assorted consumer products
such as kids toys that routinely contain dangerous chemicals that are BANNED in the west?
Are your Beijing Butcher Bosses BLAMING YOU for failing to tell CONVINCING PROPAGANDA STORIES?
How BAD is your situation becoming?
Hi buddies!
Check out this jazz!
"The Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program continues to carry 873 unresolved deficiencies, most of which were identified prior to the completion of System Development and Demonstration (SDD) and entry into IOT&E. Although the program is working to fix deficiencies, new discoveries are still being made, resulting in only a minor decrease in the overall number of deficiencies. There are many significant deficiencies that should be addressed to ensure the SDD baseline configuration is stable prior to introducing the large number of new capabilities planned in Block 4.
• ThecurrentContinuousCapabilityDevelopmentandDelivery (C2D2) process has not been able to keep pace with adding new increments of capability as planned. Software changes, intended to introduce new capabilities or fix deficiencies, often introduced stability problems and adversely affected other functionality. Due to these inefficiencies, along with a large amount of planned new capabilities, DOT&E considers the program’s current Revision 13 master schedule to be high risk.
• Although the program planned a greater dependence on modeling and simulation (M&S) in C2D2 than was used during SDD, no significant changes in the simulation venues have occurred. The program has established internal processes to aid in the development and enhancement of adequate M&S capabilities; however, planning and full funding are not complete.
• Adequate evaluations of Block 4 capabilities will require the use of Open-Air Battle-Shaping (OABS) instrumentation, the Joint Simulation Environment (JSE), and Radar Signal Emulators (RSE)."
more
https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2019/dod/2019f35jsf.pdf?ver=2020-01-30-115432-173
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Check out this jazz!
"The Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program continues to carry 873 unresolved deficiencies, most of which were identified prior to the completion of System Development and Demonstration (SDD) and entry into IOT&E. Although the program is working to fix deficiencies, new discoveries are still being made, resulting in only a minor decrease in the overall number of deficiencies. There are many significant deficiencies that should be addressed to ensure the SDD baseline configuration is stable prior to introducing the large number of new capabilities planned in Block 4.
• ThecurrentContinuousCapabilityDevelopmentandDelivery (C2D2) process has not been able to keep pace with adding new increments of capability as planned. Software changes, intended to introduce new capabilities or fix deficiencies, often introduced stability problems and adversely affected other functionality. Due to these inefficiencies, along with a large amount of planned new capabilities, DOT&E considers the program’s current Revision 13 master schedule to be high risk.
• Although the program planned a greater dependence on modeling and simulation (M&S) in C2D2 than was used during SDD, no significant changes in the simulation venues have occurred. The program has established internal processes to aid in the development and enhancement of adequate M&S capabilities; however, planning and full funding are not complete.
• Adequate evaluations of Block 4 capabilities will require the use of Open-Air Battle-Shaping (OABS) instrumentation, the Joint Simulation Environment (JSE), and Radar Signal Emulators (RSE)."
more
https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2019/dod/2019f35jsf.pdf?ver=2020-01-30-115432-173
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NUT ZONE DOUG - dedicated to promoting Soviet Socialist Propaganda EVERY WHERE!
Gosh Nut Zone - your Chinese Spy Masters MUST BE REALLY FRIGHTENED of F35 to have you spreading SO MUCH CRAP!
By the way - how are the new Chinese "secret weapons" coming along?
Or did the Wuhan Pestilence KILL OFF all those scientists?
OH, NO!!!
A complete waste of money!!!
MAGA !
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$1.5 Trillion: Was the F-35 Stealth Fighter a Complete Waste?
A lot of money for not always the best results.
Key point: The plane kept being delayed and in many ways doesn't even work right. Maybe ending the F-22 was a mistake?
The F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter is estimated to be the most expensive weapons system in human history, based on its projected lifetime cost of $1.5 trillion dollars ($406 billion for the aircraft, the rest in lifetime operating costs)—and that’s before we factor in the endless cost overruns.
One could argue there is a certain logic to this. The United States spends greater sums on the military than any other country (though some spend a greater percentage of GDP), and it has emphasized air power as its chief military instrument in recent decades. Additionally, different variants of the F-35 are prepared to equip the Air Force, Navy and Marines through most of the twenty-first century, and the type is also slated to serve in the air forces or navies of Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Israel, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, South Korea and Turkey—with more countries likely to join the list.
However, the F-35 program has been notoriously mismanaged and perpetually over budget, and remains far behind schedule. The Pentagon was persuaded to pay for “concurrent” production of F-35s before it had been developed into a fully operational prototype; today Lockheed is shipping non-feature-complete F-35s, which will need to be expensively upgraded later when new components and systems are finally ready. Listing everything that was and continues to be wrong with the F-35 procurement process could be the subject of many articles.
But at the end of the day, however mismanaged the program may have been, does the F-35 at least amount to a decent jet fighter?
How Did the F-35 Come to Be?
More
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/15-trillion-was-f-35-stealth-fighter-complete-waste-148206
A complete waste of money!!!
MAGA !
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$1.5 Trillion: Was the F-35 Stealth Fighter a Complete Waste?
A lot of money for not always the best results.
Key point: The plane kept being delayed and in many ways doesn't even work right. Maybe ending the F-22 was a mistake?
The F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter is estimated to be the most expensive weapons system in human history, based on its projected lifetime cost of $1.5 trillion dollars ($406 billion for the aircraft, the rest in lifetime operating costs)—and that’s before we factor in the endless cost overruns.
One could argue there is a certain logic to this. The United States spends greater sums on the military than any other country (though some spend a greater percentage of GDP), and it has emphasized air power as its chief military instrument in recent decades. Additionally, different variants of the F-35 are prepared to equip the Air Force, Navy and Marines through most of the twenty-first century, and the type is also slated to serve in the air forces or navies of Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Israel, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, South Korea and Turkey—with more countries likely to join the list.
However, the F-35 program has been notoriously mismanaged and perpetually over budget, and remains far behind schedule. The Pentagon was persuaded to pay for “concurrent” production of F-35s before it had been developed into a fully operational prototype; today Lockheed is shipping non-feature-complete F-35s, which will need to be expensively upgraded later when new components and systems are finally ready. Listing everything that was and continues to be wrong with the F-35 procurement process could be the subject of many articles.
But at the end of the day, however mismanaged the program may have been, does the F-35 at least amount to a decent jet fighter?
How Did the F-35 Come to Be?
More
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/15-trillion-was-f-35-stealth-fighter-complete-waste-148206
Grow a pair.Please inform me by private message if STB actually post anything on subject, aside from personal attacks and name calling.
This has been a time saving public service announcement by NZDoug.
QUOTE=gerryh;2838232]It appears New Zealand hasn't committed to buying any f35s. So the question is, what's it to you who has spent how much on the f35?[/QUOTE]
Oh gerryh - THAT IS a good question!
The GOOD ANSWER is that Nut Zone Doug is working very hard to persuade us TO SURRENDER!
Nut Zone Doug wants the Beijing Butchers TO RULE THE WORLD!
Thus Nut Zone Doug strongly condemns ANY western effort to defend against Red Chinese bullies!
Currently Red Chinese naval ships are harassing an Indonesian survey ship IN INDONESIAN WATERS!
Red China has UNILATERALLY CLAIMED CONTROL of huge swaths of South China Sea!
In the process Beijing Butchers have trampled on the rights OF FIVE OTHER NATIONS!
Nut Zone Doug would rather have us asking about the value of F 35`s - INSTEAD of discussing Beijing BULLIES!
Oh gerryh - THAT IS a good question!
The GOOD ANSWER is that Nut Zone Doug is working very hard to persuade us TO SURRENDER!
Nut Zone Doug wants the Beijing Butchers TO RULE THE WORLD!
Thus Nut Zone Doug strongly condemns ANY western effort to defend against Red Chinese bullies!
Currently Red Chinese naval ships are harassing an Indonesian survey ship IN INDONESIAN WATERS!
Red China has UNILATERALLY CLAIMED CONTROL of huge swaths of South China Sea!
In the process Beijing Butchers have trampled on the rights OF FIVE OTHER NATIONS!
Nut Zone Doug would rather have us asking about the value of F 35`s - INSTEAD of discussing Beijing BULLIES!