"The west wants out": Separatist sentiments growing in Alberta

[Serryah]

You're slowly opening your mind, but still not fully listening

Depends on what I'm listening to.

 

[captain morgan]

Same snowflakes wouldn't understand why food prices are going up and would be protesting the high price of food

What would Greta do?

 

[Serryah]

The West has supported the East in hundreds of billions in cash low these many years.


Your assertion that no one cares falls pretty flat considering that the ROC has decided to throw the West under the bus.

Yes, yes, I know. I've said my piece on what I think about that.


No, I said YOU don't care, because you don't.

You're the one who said "Your problem, not mine". To me that sounded pretty clear like "I don't care so don't bother to talk about it".

 

[captain morgan]

Yes, yes, I know. I've said my piece on what I think about that.


No, I said YOU don't care, because you don't.

You're the one who said "Your problem, not mine". To me that sounded pretty clear like "I don't care so don't bother to talk about it".

It's awfully difficult to have any concern for a group that understands that a problem exists for them, a solution also exists, however, this group refuses to apply the solution to help themselves.


This is a case of realizing that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink

 

[Cannuck]

How come BC doesn't pay extra into equalization with their nation leading economy?

Because it isn't based on economic growth

 

[Serryah]

It's awfully difficult to have any concern for a group that understands that a problem exists for them, a solution also exists, however, this group refuses to apply the solution to help themselves.

So... you think that because these kids aren't doing anything or providing solutions that you know of they therefore don't deserve any concern what so ever? Just trying to clarify what you're saying here.

This is a case of realizing that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink

Unless the horse is a mule and being stubborn as hell about going to water to begin with despite how thirsty it is.

 

[Ron in Regina]

What I was trying to get across was when blunders happen Internationally via Federally with this gov't, it seems to be disproportionately applied to certain regions of Canada that are paying for these blunders....but it seems that if it's just that region of Our nation then it's rationalized as justified...

India had a drought so that they aren't ordering as much Prairie Potash for fertilizer this round? Well, things happen in cycles and it'll come given the chance. We still do multi-billion dollar trade with India and from the Prairies it's Lentils & Peas & other Pulse Crops...& Trudeau isn't going to interfere in that, right? Four years ago the question would have been, "How could he possibly undermine Canada on that front?"

Not sure but I think I'm missing the point here. Or missing references.

Freeland Tweeting her Twitter pissing off Saudi Arabia...so the Saudi's will stop buying Canadian wheat & barley?

The Saudi's aren't punishing Canada by not purchasing BC wheat and PEI barley.

Honestly... good. I despise Saudi right now for a lot of reasons and if they stop buying our stuff, we should be looking elsewhere to sell.

OK....Hauwei Exec arrested in Vancouver....so the Chinese will stop buying Canadian Canola? Ok...there seems to be a pattern here.

The Chinese aren't punishing Canada by slandering the quality and then not purchasing Nova Scotia Canola over this Hauwei fiasco.

That was a cluserfuk that I put not just on our government, but the US as well. Personally? I say terf the lady out of Canada, let the US do their own dirty work at this point since we did our job and they decided to screw the pooch to make US out to be the bad guys, and IMO we should avoid China all together or as much as possible.

I was trying to get across that it's the 'death of a thousand cuts' but it's disproportionately applied to a specific region of OUR Nation so that's OK. When these things happen, it's billions of dollars lost. The billions that start with a "B" billions. The three examples I used are just three examples.

When other Nations wish to punish Canada over diplomacy or in trade, they seem to see clearly how best to kick Canada right in the balls, & how to harm OUR Nation in a manner that is most destructive to OUR Nation.

I read Newspaper articles and Op-Eds from those in Central Canada telling the rest of Canada that this Western alienation is a Joke and it'll blow over 'cuz it always has and it always will...and it's a minority of a minority, etc...yet how can other Nations see this and use it when the rest of Canada can't see this and claim it's not real....is it a 'forest for the trees' thing or just utter arrogance?

I'm not trying to be a dick here, but I think you missed the point I was trying to make. Canada is OUR Nation, but when these diplomatic goat rodeo's happen it's Western Canada that is punished because Globally it's obvious how to really hurt Canada when Canada (as a whole) doesn't recognize that these actions from the outside are targeted at a glaringly obvious flaw in Canada to further break it apart. India or Saudi Arabia or China (among others) aren't boycotting Bombardier (for example) because that wouldn't hurt Canada as it would just get bailed out every few years anyway.

The issue of Climate change is, as you said, for another thread. All I can say on it is that the back and forth pizzes me off, I do not understand why caring about the planet is such an evil thing but I also think being connected and giving slack to other nations who do worse environmentally than us is not just counter productive, but hypocritical and if we're gonna put on our own people consequences of climate, then we should do so to the imports from other countries as well.

Who is the we in the we're above? Who (what region of OUR Nation) is going to disproportionately pay to give Canada with it's 1.5% of total global emissions the Wokeness and Entitlement to preach at others instead of actually doing something to help globally as a real solutuion instead of just lip-service and selfies?

But to be fair, there was time given for all provinces to come up with their own 'carbon tax' idea and those that didn't had one imposed. NS came up with their own idea and they're fine. NB stalled and had one put in for us.

Why did/does the solution have to be a 'carbon tax' idea? 'Cuz Justin said so?

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/bra...axes/wcm/f82dc5cb-7122-43a5-bb9e-b72041ce89e1

Three years ago, there we were at the COP21 Paris Climate Conference: 383 Canadians strong. Our delegation was larger than almost any other country’s, rivalling even the host country’s delegation. Canada was back. (Canada's delegation was larger than the US, UK, & Australia's combined)

Saskatchewan was there, too, with our three-person contribution to the overall Canadian throng, though we may have been a little out of step.

Just two weeks before Paris, the Alberta government had announced its own carbon tax. The explicit and implied promise was that this indulgence paid by Albertans would purchase the absolution required to secure pipeline approvals. Saskatchewan then was alone in its opposition to a nationally imposed carbon tax. So, in Paris we were — without intention — a few prairie skunks at this low-carbon garden party.

There were other things at the conference that bemused. The massive complex that hosted the conference to save the planet from carbon was festooned by 140 very large plastic and acrylic animal silhouettes — created using carbon. The breakout rooms, offices and larger theatres custom-built for the conference were made of pressboard — the kind that takes a lot of carbon-based energy to process. Our delegation from Saskatchewan, believing it important to maintain a sense of humour and self-awareness, dubbed it the Hall of Irony.

A lasting memory for me from Paris was the message from India. Prime Minister Narendra Modi articulated a goal to bring the modernity and transformational economic power of electricity to all of its citizenry. They have committed to utilizing renewable generation in this massive effort, but noted that they would need additional carbon-based generation, even coal.
Interestingly, the only salutary Canadian reference in the advance UN document, presented to set the table at Paris, was Canadian carbon-capture and storage (CCS) capacities and specifically the Boundary Dam 3 cleaner coal project in Estevan, Sask. That plant today is making electricity from burning coal two to three times cleaner than from natural gas. Yet, it was mentioned seldom, if at all, by our federal delegation at Paris.

Consider if Canada’s climate plan was about real reductions in global emissions conveyed by a new focus on reducing the costs of the next-generation technologies like CCS in which we are already international leaders. The federal government at the recent climate change conference in Poland announced $275 million in funding to the World Bank-led Powering Past Coal Alliance. That is close to the exact amount the previous federal government provided to Saskatchewan, enabling our government to proceed with the Boundary Dam 3 project. It is an important point because without that kind of federal partnership, Saskatchewan cannot go it alone to the next generation of the technology at other coal-fired plants. What a lost opportunity.

There are an estimated 1,600 coal plants in various stages of planning and construction around the world. Canada could take a leadership role. The Saskatchewan plant is working but, as with all new technology, the first generation is costly. With a concerted comprehensive effort, those costs could come down in new generations of the application. Canadian technology, in concert with the efforts of the private sector, the provinces and other countries, could clean up hundreds of coal plants being built greenfield and so many more through retrofit.

The recent UN report on climate change wielded by federal ministers as the reason to double down on taxing our 1.7 per cent of emissions specifically noted the importance of CCS if the spirit of Paris is to manifest. Similar commentary has followed the conference in Poland.

In Canada, the discussion about what we can realistically do to help the global challenges has been monopolized by a domestic carbon tax. And those who dare dissent are accused of all manner of heresy. But even if Canada were to achieve Paris targets, the resulting global emissions reductions would be an entirely irrelevant 0.51 per cent or 30 per cent of our current 1.7-per-cent share of global emissions.

At $200 per tonne of carbon dioxide (as the federal documents say the carbon tax must be to hit Paris targets) or even the $50 that the feds will currently admit to as their plan, the carbon tax will be much more efficient at dulling our competitiveness and costing us investment in our trade-exposed industries than in reducing our own small portion of global emissions, much less the planet’s.

Let’s have a Canadian plan that will be global in scale and truly contributes to efforts to reduce worldwide emissions.

Let’s also end the practice of accusing those who favour a greater Canadian focus on technological solutions that could meaningfully reduce global emissions as opposed to a Canadian carbon tax aimed at reducing global remissions by half of one per cent as being unserious about the challenge.

Actual CO2 reduction but not a peep from the Feds but a tax is the solution?

Sounds like Bullshevik to me.

Now gas is cheaper in NS than here, even though it used to be the other way around. If it was imposed on Sask like on NB, that's on your Provincial government, not on Trudeau really for being too whatever about the issue (lazy, ignorant, thought it'd go away, whatever). Least that's how I think of it. Now we're paying the price because our Provincal government sucks.

We pump the oil locally, and the closest refinery to my home is about 5 miles away. A Trudeau Tax isn't going to lower that cost. We had a plan but it wasn't a Carbon Tax plan so not good enough for Justin. Manitoba had a plan but it wasn't up to Justin-type standards so they got shit imposed upon them also. Alberta agreed to a Carbon tax in exchange for a pipeline that never happened so walked away from that one sided promise. Anyway, I'll have to come back to this another time. Only 24hrs in a day and I'm starting to run into my sleep time. G'Night Folks.

 

[captain morgan]

So... you think that because these kids aren't doing anything or providing solutions that you know of they therefore don't deserve any concern what so ever? Just trying to clarify what you're saying here.

Unless the horse is a mule and being stubborn as hell about going to water to begin with despite how thirsty it is.

Those kids aren't contributing anything towards a solution to the feigned problem, nor are you willing to put your $$ where your mouth is



As was mentioned earlier, think about showing your support through real actions and not this nonsensical lip-service.


it's extremely difficult to have any support for any group that hollers that the sky is falling when they can't even live up to their own standards

 

[Serryah]

Those kids aren't contributing anything towards a solution to the feigned problem, nor are you willing to put your $$ where your mouth is

Actually you don't know they aren't contributing, that's just what you think. Whether it's a real problem or feigned though is your opinion.


As for me willing to put my money where my mouth is... I admit, I don't do enough but I've admitted such. Yet I'm also on board with these kids suing the government, so...

As was mentioned earlier, think about showing your support through real actions and not this nonsensical lip-service.

I do when I am able. Third time, I'm a realist and realize oil is not going away, or it's products. I should do more to cut back on stuff that uses oil, I try, sometimes I fail.


All I can do is TRY; that's more than even some will do.

it's extremely difficult to have any support for any group that hollers that the sky is falling when they can't even live up to their own standards

And it's hard to support any group that hollers "Everything will be fine!" when I see yearly that clearly, something is not, in my own back yard. We can disagree if Man had anything to do with climate change until the end of time, but it is changing, and regardless whether they did or not, if we can do something to try and help keep our planet in better shape than it is now, then I see no problem for with it


I just don't understand the problem with those who DGAF.

 

[captain morgan]

It is what it is.


Everyone will act in accordance with their perspective, ideals, etc.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Because it isn't based on economic growth

It's based on the GDP of the province

 

[Cannuck]

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Google is your friend

 

[Twin_Moose]

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Department of Finance Canada

How Equalization Works
Equalization entitlements are determined by measuring provinces' ability to raise revenues – known as "fiscal capacity".
Before any adjustments, a province's per capita Equalization entitlement is equal to the amount by which its fiscal capacity is below the average fiscal capacity of all provinces – known as the "10 province standard".
Provinces get the greater of the amount they would receive by fully excluding natural resource revenues, or by excluding 50 per cent of natural resource revenues.
Equalization is adjusted to ensure fairness among provinces while continuing to provide a net fiscal benefit to receiving provinces from their resources equivalent to half of their per capita resource revenues.
Equalization is also adjusted to keep the total program payout growing in line with the economy. The growth path is based on a three-year moving average of gross domestic product (GDP) growth. This helps to ensure stability and predictability while still being responsive to economic growth.
The program also maintains the benefits of the Atlantic Accords for Nova Scotia and Newfoundland and Labrador. In 2007, the two provinces were given the choice to continue to operate under the previous Equalization system or to permanently opt into the new program at any point prior to the expiry of the offshore accords. Having chosen the new program, Nova Scotia benefits from a guarantee that it will do at least as well, on a cumulative basis, as it would have under the formula agreed to at the time the Accord was signed. Newfoundland and Labrador no longer qualifies for Equalization.

Now go play with your banana

 

[Cannuck]

Saved me the time to prove you wrong

 

[Cliffy]

 

[Cliffy]

Nobody cares. You exaggerate your people's own self importance. You make up 4% of the population and have no real power. Sit down and shut up.

Typical tighty righty whitey response, exactly what I expected.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So, when's Saudi Alberta gonna set up shop on its own?

 

[JamesBondo]

Nunya

 

[B00Mer]

Unless you are prepared to fight militarily to get "your" land back, sit down and shut up. You have no real power. Just be happy you are in Canada, instead of Brazil, where they kill Aboriginal Chiefs at will.

You could send the Salvation Army to defeat the Canadian Military.. Alberta has more guns in the Province than all of Canada put together.. Bring it on.

http://www.freealberta.com/firearms.html

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

You could send the Salvation Army to defeat the Canadian Military.. Alberta has more guns in the Province than all of Canada put together.. Bring it on.
http://www.freealberta.com/firearms.html

The war cry of the Canadian Chickenhawk.