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spilledthebeer

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Would Green "steal" Liberal votes? I wouldn't bet my first born!




ITS good YOU DID NOT TAKE THE BET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Because NDP and Greenies TOOK LOTS of votes away from Wynne-bag LIE-berals..................................


here in Ontari-owe in June 2018!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Many civil service union HOGS are so desperate for more gravy that they are willing to risk..........................


MORE RAE DAYS under Jagmeet (political deadmeat) Singh......................................


and or are willing to let complete Greenie-horns with NO Political experience take over the country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our civil service union HOGS are bitterly disappointed with ALL LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Traditionally LIE-berals have been the best party for supplying gravy for HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But our economy is now so indebted and so close to the debt wall that easy gravy is now hard to produce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The hand writing is on the wall- LIE-berals mean to REDUCE OUR STANDARD OF LIVING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It will NOT JUST BE ordinary people who get tax hits in future..................................


IT WILL BE EVERYBODY who gets HIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Across the economic board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Taxes for the "middle class' that Our idiot Boy claimed he wanted to save.............................


ARE ACTUALLY UP - several thousand dollars BEYOND the new pay raises that HOGS were given!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is CLASSIC LIE-beral Bait and Switch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Canada is NOW SO BROKE................................


LIE-berals are pulling bait and switch even on their closest allies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals simply CANNOT run $20 billion dollar deficits INDEFINITELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They WILL BE CUT OFF from any more borrowing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just as happened with Jean Chretien LIE-berals when the Cdn dollar reached 63 cents U.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HOGS can count as well as anybody and they can see that as the public gets poorer.....................


LIE-berals will be more heavily taxing those with the HIGHEST PAY.......................................


meaning HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is what happens when you are a HOG - getting AT LEAST ONE THIRD MORE PAY...............................


than a person in the private sector doing the SAME WORK.......................................


and living in a BANKRUPT COUNTRY................................


your former friends and allies TURN ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HOGS rightly FEAR FOR THEIR FUTURE under a bankrupt - both morally and economically ...........................


LIE-beral govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Then there is the LIE-beral oil madness to consider..................................


our most valuable and useful product is currently OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IT is the one product NOT BEING HIT by Pissy Red Chinese Bullies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oil trade is NOT being restricted by foreign trade wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


UNLIKE our Canola and softwood lumber and dairy products!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even Japan has some restrictions on Cdn farm products due to genetically modified grains.................................


and issues with MAD Cow Disease !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And yet LIE-berals are HELL BENT on shutting down the Cdn oil patch and KILLING OFF..................................


our easiest and quickest tax revenue generator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


China has manipulated various countries - such as Ecuador....................................


into selling China oil and other products AT VERY ADVANTAGEOUS PRICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IN EXCHANGE FOR GOVT LOANS - to bankrupt socialist govts................................


like the one Our idiot Boy is trying to build HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The way LIE-berals are wasting our money and digging us further into debt................................


LIE-berals may find themselves ORDERED to keep the oil flowing to PAY OFF DEBTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Consider the Alberta debt that was $63 BILLION DOLLARS in MARCH, 2019............................


If the oil patch is killed off and Alberta is PREVENTED from selling its most valuable product.............................


then OTTAWA WILL BE FORCED TO PICK UP THAT DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And $63 billion dollars represents about the same amount of DEBT that Our idiot Boy planned to spend................................


IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If LIE-berals DO KILL the oil patch............................................


IT MEANS INSTANT FROZEN WAGES FOR HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And it means major new taxes FOR US ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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I was thinking future, not past tense!






Poor Foolish Joyless LIE-beral Monkey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


All that was OLD........................................


IS NEW AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just LOOK AT Our idiot Boy Justin trying to Spend us Rich......................................


in an economic display of ignorance and STUPIDITY..................................


that is nothing more than a bigger and more costly version..................................................



of the Bob Rae/NDP Ontari-owe MADNESS.................................


that so damaged Ontari-owe provincial finances.........................................


that Rae was FORCED to commit political suicide................................


and send civil service union HOGS HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


FOR UNPAID DAYS OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And look at the Wynne-bag Ontari-owe LIE-beral campaign of 2018!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just consider the STAGGERING SUMS OF MONEY........................................


that Wynne-bag was prepared to shower onto her HOG ALLIES and assorted pressure groups..............................


if ONLY they would put aside their REVULSION....................................


and vote for her one more time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Compare Wynne-bag touring the province and scattering promises of GRAVY..............................


to all and sundry..................................................


just as Our idiot Boy is doing all across Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THE SIMILARITIES Between Rae, Wynne-bag and Trudope ARE MARKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes...........................as the Trooper group sang:



"Just a three dressed up as a nine.............................


he is only wasting our time"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With Wynne-bag sulking in the background grumbling:


"Its my party and I will cry if I want to...........................


LIE if I want to.................................


politically DIE if I want to"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I hve said it before and say it AGAIN..........................................


Wynne-bag and Trudope HAVE A BRIGHT FUTURE.....................................................


AS A COVER BAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rocking the hits like that Brian Adams song:


"Dont forget me when I am gone........................................


my heart would break............................................


I have ROBBED YOU for so long"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or......................................


April Wine.........................................................


Sign of the Gypsy Queen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Who wouldnt want to see Wynne-bag on a stage crooning to us:


"word of a woman who knows....................................


trouble comin` that`s out of control...........................................



nobody can stop it now..........................................


so take all your gold and you go"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And dont get me started on Bachman Turner and "Taking care of business"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Would it not be FUN to see a bunch of PROTESTORS show up at CUPE Ontari-owe headquarters.........................


while they are organizing their strike/political blackmail of voters....................................



to sing this:::


People see you having fun just a-lying in the sun


Tell them that you like it this way



It's the work that we avoid, and we're all self-employed



We love to work at nothing all day



And we be taking care of business (every day)



Taking care of business (every way)



We be been taking care of business (it's all mine)



Taking care of business and working overtime



Mercy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




CUPE HOGS thinks the school system AND OUR KIDS........................................


EXIST FOR THEIR BENEFIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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LILLEY: Biggest poll of campaign shows tight race but trouble for Liberals
Brian Lilley
Published:
October 3, 2019
Updated:
October 3, 2019 9:09 PM EDT
Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau speaks during an election campaign stop in Brampton, Ontario, Canada September 22, 2019. CARLOS OSORIO / REUTERS
In a tight election where every race counts and every vote counts, the enthusiasm of your supporters really starts to matter. Ask any campaign veteran and they will tell you that the “get out the vote” or the GOTV effort on election day is crucial.
This election, more so than ever.
Yet, the latest poll from Campaign Research shows the Liberals at a disadvantage, not because their polling numbers are down but because their voters are less motivated than those planning to cast ballots for the Conservatives. This is exactly what senior Liberals have told me worries them this election.
In the largest poll conducted so far in this election, 4,755 people were asked about their voting intentions between Sept. 30-Oct. 2. The topline national numbers show a statistical tie 34% for the Conservatives and 32% for the Liberals but a wide difference in enthusiasm for the two parties.
When asked who they would consider voting for, the Conservatives had stronger numbers than the Liberals. The poll found 21% of voters said they will vote Conservative and not consider any other party while 14% said they would vote Liberal and not consider any other party. By comparison, 15% of voters said they are leaning Liberal but will consider other parties while just 9% said they are leaning Conservative but will consider other parties.
“This analysis allows us to look closer at each party’s ‘hard’ and ‘soft’ supporters and gives us insight into which party may have a ‘voter turnout’ advantage,” said pollster Nick Kouvalis, principal at Campaign Research.
Right now, that voter turnout advantage is with the Conservatives.
“The Liberals will either need to convert more of their ‘soft’ supporters into ‘hard’ supporters or convince existing NDP or Green voters to get behind Trudeau,” Kouvalis said.
That need to convince NDP and Green voters to switch their loyalty, is part of why Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau has been invoking the name of Ontario Premier Doug Ford at every turn. Ford is wildly unpopular among left-wing voters, even though most Ontarians that voted for Ford last year will back Scheer.
Trudeau’s strategy is to bring up Ford’s name as a way to motivate the Liberal base and slice off voters from other left-wing parties.
Succeeding could become increasingly difficult for Trudeau, though. Part of the reason for the voter enthusiasm gap the Liberals are facing is the mounting list of scandals and problems the Liberal leader has dealt with. The trip to India, SNC-Lavalin, his handling of Jody Wilson-Raybould, blackface and now the revelation that the Liberals are campaigning with two planes.
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer revealed that the Liberals are using two campaign planes instead of one, telling Trudeau he uses, “one for you and the media, and another for your costumes and canoes.”
It’s a bad look for someone who has made climate change so central to his image and his campaign. Like blackface and his firing of Wilson-Raybould, the move goes against his image and makes voters question what they are backing.
The polling data from Campaign Research shows that Trudeau and the Liberals are trailing Scheer and the Conservatives among male voters and are essentially tied among women. In order to win, Trudeau needs to have a wide gap between him and Scheer among women and in poll after poll that is failing to materialize.
In effect, Trudeau has alienated key voting blocs — from women to youth to First Nations. A poll from Environics released by the Aboriginal People’s Television Network showed the Liberals trailing the Conservatives among reserve voters, a group that had overwhelmingly backed Trudeau in 2015.
This race is too close to call and will come down to key regional battles in Ontario, Quebec and British Columbia but those who show up on Oct. 21 will win the day.
Conservative voters appear ready to turn out in high numbers, the question becomes, what will Liberal voters do?
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How the race breaks down across Canada
Election 2019 will come down to three key battlegrounds: Ontario, Quebec and British Columbia. Most of the rest of the country has already sworn allegiance to one party over the others.
Alberta and Saskatchewan are solidly behind the Conservatives and Manitoba is leaning heavily that way, enough to swing a few seats. The Conservatives could actually pick up four to five seats in Alberta, they hope to unseat Ralph Goodale, the lone Liberal in Saskatchewan, and potentially take a few seats in Manitoba. The Liberals won’t be picking up any extra seats on the Prairies this campaign.
On the other hand, Atlantic Canada is still solidly in the Liberal camp but not as much as 2015. Last election the Liberals took more than 60% of the vote in some parts of the region and swept all 32 seats. With the Liberals leading the Conservatives 42% support to 25% they will likely win most but not all of the seats this time.
That leaves the battlegrounds.
The Liberals won 40 of Quebec’s 78 seats in 2015 and were hoping to win most of the NDP’s 14 and Bloc’s 10 seats. That won’t be happening. With the Liberals leading province-wide, there is still room to pick up some seats but Quebec is a very regional race.
The Liberals will own the Montreal area and likely pick off some NDP and perhaps Bloc MPs in that area but their hope of reducing the NDP to a single seat is fading. In the Quebec City region, the Conservatives hold a solid lead with 38% of the vote to the Liberals 22%. That likely means a few more seats for Scheer.
Finally, outside of the cities, the Bloc is in control with 32% support to the Liberals at 24% and Conservatives at 23%. Expect the Bloc to take several NDP seats in what are called, “the regions.”
Ontario is the big prize with Toronto leaning heavily Liberal but the NDP threatening to take back some seats lost in 2015. In the mythical 905 region, the Liberals and Conservatives are splitting the western part comprised of the Mississaugua, Oakville and Burlington with the Conservatives leading north and east of Toronto.
Finally, British Columbia is almost a four way race with the Liberals and Conservatives tied at the top, 30% to 28% respectively, with the NDP and Greens a bit behind at 20% and 19% support. The Liberals will face pressure in Vancouver from both the Greens and NDP and to a degree the Conservatives in the suburbs. In the interior of the province and in the Okanagan, the Liberals will likely lose seats to both the NDP and Conservatives.

http://campaignresearch.ca/single-p...ue-to-battle-across-Canadas-vote-rich-regions
http://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...ign-shows-tight-race-but-trouble-for-liberals
 

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Poor Foolish Joyless LIE-beral Monkey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


All that was OLD........................................


IS NEW AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just LOOK AT Our idiot Boy Justin trying to Spend us Rich......................................


in an economic display of ignorance and STUPIDITY..................................


that is nothing more than a bigger and more costly version..................................................



of the Bob Rae/NDP Ontari-owe MADNESS.................................


For maximum readership a smart poster generally limits his/her posts to 3 or 4 sentences!
 

spilledthebeer

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For maximum readership a smart poster generally limits his/her posts to 3 or 4 sentences!




LIMIT THE POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That is the famous war cry of MORONS who lack.......................................


any logical ability to dispute a post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Joyless LIE-beral Monkey wants LESS DETAILED POSTS......................................


so his beloved Soviet Socialist LIE-beral PALS will not be.....................................


so fully exposed as GREEDY SELFISH HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And "Limit the Post" is the favoured response of HOGS who



lack the authority to completely CENSOR comments they



dont approve of since such comments make them LOOK



BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!











I find it utterly amazing how far civil service Hogs will go to `D` anything they do not approve of? That is-they will dismiss, delay, deny, delude, disengage, deride any fact or situation they don’t like or find embarrassing! This is why they are so determined to present drunken imbecile-and Hog union boy Stan Kabel as the ONLY villain in the Walkerton water disaster in which SEVEN people DIED! Hogs are so dedicated to dismissing the uncomfortable truth they wont discuss how many people did die and wont discuss how many ended up on kidney dialysis either thanks to an unholy alliance of drunken union goons and chicken shit Walkerton politicians trying to hang on to their gravy train seats by AVOIDING ANY confrontation with drunken union goons!

Hog determination to dismiss the disaster as an exception accidentally engineered by one man is so great they will EDIT the truth and omit critical facts such as just how often Kabel `forgot`-as Hogs put it-to reload chlorine into water purification machinery. Hogs will NOT admit that Kabel neglected to refill or REPAIR MULTIPLE chlorinators on MULTIPLE occasions! Nor will they discuss how often Kabel submitted FAKE water samples to hide how infrequently he was really doing his job! Hogs will not admit that Walkerton council hired Kabel as head of the water department due to his `good old boy` ties as his properly licensed FATHER had the job before him-Walkerton council KNEW son Stan was NOT licensed to operate the system but hey-Stan was a good union Boy-and being unlicensed he could be had cheap- so he got the job! And of course once Stan became an alcoholic-and led the rest of the water dept down that same alcohol laced road, council circled the wagons and began to `D` things! There is NO FACT that Hogs are not comfortable to quickly `omit` from the record!

So much for Hog `D`ing of Walkerton. Today we have a nice little story out of the Toronto history books and as usual I have added some comments of my own in brackets). On January 15, 2004, Toronto Sun writer Sue-Ann Levy wrote a column about `Absurd` union tactics and I have summarized her column below-lets see what sort of `D`s we get from Hogs this time around:

After SEVEN YEARS of legal wrangling-right up to the supreme Court of Canada, CUPE Local 79 lost its bid to reinstate a male union worker convicted of sex assault on a boy in his supervision.

Toronto Sun writer Sue-Ann Levy told us on January 15, 2004: That a city recreation instructor at the McCormack community centre in Toronto committed a series of sexual assaults over a period of years-starting when the boy was nine years old and ending when he was twelve-due to the worker being ARRESTED for pedophilia!

The worker was tried, convicted, and served his prison sentence. Once released the convicted pedophile made it clear he wanted his old job back but instead the City fired him! For reasons that are obvious to an ordinary person but incomprehensible to a Hog, the City was not willing to let him come back to any City facility that might have kids in it; so CUPE 79 launched a grievance against the City-alleging unjust dismissal.

The grievance went to arbitration and in a decision worthy of Kafka the arbitrator ordered the city to re-hire the worker. The arbitrator wrote this about the case ”the criminal conviction was NOT conclusive proof of the employees guilt....that the employee did not commit the acts alleged”.

The arbitrator ordered the worker re-hired in 1998 and George Monteith was city director of employment law at the time and he is quoted by Levy stating: “we have been in court ever since”. Meaning the matter has been argued through the courts from 1998 up to 2004! Monteith went on to say that THIRTEEN JUDGES at various judicial levels ALL over-ruled the arbitrator. Monteith also claimed that the cost to the city for outside counsel for this case-that is-lawyers not already working on retainer for the city-cost approximately $145,000.00! (I point out there would of course be additional costs-in the THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS- for the earlier arbitration efforts.)

Ann Dembinski was CUPE president at the time and “was on holiday” when the final judgement by the Supreme Court was made, but others at CUPE headquarters refused to comment on what they described as a “precedent setting case” as they had not yet reviewed the latest judgement.

City director of employment law George Monteith pointed out that “in fairness, they (meaning the union) have an obligation to provide fair representation to their members”!

(But an ordinary person will ask: at what point does `FAIR` dissolve into insanity? JUST HOW HUGE would be the damages levied against the city if they re-hired a convicted pedophile and he then proceeded to molest ANOTHER child on city property? And just how could city officials look the public in the eyes after allowing such a travesty of justice to occur?)

Levy then obtained this information from Bill Adams, city director of employee and labour relations- that as of January 2004 : ”there are 2,603 union driven grievances under way” and that “some of them involve employees convicted of criminal theft from the city”. But there is some good news-Levy was told by Adams that there were 3120 grievances at the same time period the previous year! (I say a drop from 3120 to 2603 is a nice reduction in the level of union madness!) Adams also explained that it costs $3,000.00 per DAY to fight a grievance at the arbitration stage-with the average `case` running about 12 days-and of course going to court would escalate the costs dramatically!

Adams also admitted that although none of the 2004 grievances were as serious as the pedophile case, he did admit that a number of those 2.603 grievances involved city workers CONVICTED of criminal THEFT of city property.

(I ask: WHY would unions think it would be morally right to FORCE the city to RE-HIRE criminals CONVICTED of theft of city property? Apparently union chiefs like the idea of having a `desperate` work force to manage-in other words the most dedicate and loyal union Hogs are those who cannot survive without the union and who owe the union leaders BIG favours!)

(From all this a cynical tax payer may easily conclude that the convenience of union members trumps any need for public safety/concern for child welfare or respect of tax payers money-but what else can we expect from a pack of Hogs who think they are entitled to the WORLD ON A PLATTER-delivered steaming hot to THEIR gravy train!)

(It will be interesting to see how Hogs `D` this story. Certainly they showed no shame over Walkerton-they insist that it is the fault of Mike Harris in spite of all the pieces of the disaster being put into place LONG before he appeared on the political scene. And of course the province had NO authority over Walkerton water dept or of the local union and Harris certainly had no legal right to fire Stan Kabel as Hogs `d`-mand that he should have.)

(Of course one has to ask if Hogs were so determined that somebody FIRE Stan Kabel then why didn’t they blame LIE-beral Jean Chretien for not stepping in? Why just Harris-and of course we know its because Chretien was a LIE-beral dispensing Hog gravy and Harris had pissed off Hogs by pinching pennies and limiting their gravy!)

(And speaking of Hogs `D`ing things-why don’t we ask just how it was that murderous drunk Stan Kabel KEPT his good union Hog status AFTER the Walkerton disaster and once the furor died down he got ANOTHER nice Hog job in a nearby municipality installing traffic signals! Come on now-which of you Hogs wants to step forward and explain which union executives and which local politicians thought it was a good idea to RE-HIRE Kabel?
 

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https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

Liberals lead gets wider.

As the latest bombshell news about scheer continues to reverberate the Liberal majority looking certain.


First of all, how is 34% for the Conservatives, and 33.6% for the Liberals a Liberal lead? In seat count, yes........but that is not the traditional way of looking at polls. You will notice the seat count game offers a wide spectrum of possibilities........that is why it is not the metric you should be using.


Secondly, WHAT Scheer scandal? Dual citizenship, which he renounced in August?



Gimme a break.
 

spilledthebeer

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https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

Liberals lead gets wider.

As the latest bombshell news about scheer continues to reverberate the Liberal majority looking certain.








HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



THE disconnect between hemerHOID and REALITY grows ever larger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CBC News tells us this::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

As Australia ousts MPs with dual citizenship, Canada's Parliament embraces many in its ranks

At least 56 foreign-born members, 22 with dual or triple citizenship, hold seats in House of Commons, Senate



NOTE THAT hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Some "CDN" MP`s HOLD TRIPLE CITIZENSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





CBC News · Posted: Dec 10, 2017 5:00 AM ET | Last Updated: December 10, 2017

Conservative MP Tony Clement, left, Independent Sen. Tony Dean and Liberal MP Iqra Khalid are among more than 22 parliamentarians who hold dual citizenship. (Canadian Press)
As a dual citizenship debacle rocks Australia's political world, Canada's Parliament embraces sitting MPs and Senators who were born around the world and hold dual, or even triple, citizenship.


There are now at least 56 sitting parliamentarians — 44 MPs and 12 senators — born in countries outside Canada, according to information from the Library of Parliament and websites.


At least 22 of them have citizenship from other countries, CBC News confirmed through queries to parliamentarians' offices.
That figure does not include MPs and senators who hold citizenship through descent, naturalization or marriage.


Canadian MPs hold citizenship from various countries, including Afghanistan, Lebanon, Portugal, Poland, Pakistan, Syria, the United States and the United Kingdom.


Dual citizens welcome in Canada's parliament

That dual citizenship would disqualify them from holding office in Australia, where Section 44 of the Constitution bars anyone who is a citizen of a "foreign power" from sitting in Parliament.


In Canada, the only requirements for seeking a seat in the House of Commons are that you are a Canadian citizen, at least 18 years old, and not serving prison sentence of more than two years. To be a senator in Canada, an individual has to be at least 30 years old, a resident of the province they represent, and own property worth at least $4,000 in that province.


Liberal MP Salma Zahid, who holds Canadian, U.K. and Pakistani citizenships, does not judge any other country's rules around who is qualified to serve. But she says she is proud that Canada's government, which has 338 seats in the House of Commons and 105 in the Senate, reflects its population.


"Other than our Indigenous nation, everyone else came to Canada from somewhere else," she said. "It's really amazing to see such a big diversity in the House of Commons, because it really is important that people see themselves represented."
Born around the world

Zahid was born in England while her father was studying at university, so holds U.K. citizenship by birth. Her family returned to Pakistan three months later, where she was naturalized as a Pakistani citizen, then she received Canadian citizenship after immigrating to Canada as an adult with her husband and son.
Many Canadian parliamentarians born in countries such as India and China have had their citizenship terminated, either by choice or due to citizenship revocation rules of those countries.
Some MPs and senators who hold dual citizenship are:

  • Conservative MP Ziad Aboultaif (Lebanon).
  • Liberal MP Omar Alghabra (Syrian citizenship, born in Saudi Arabia).
  • Liberal MP Faycal El-Khoury (Lebanon).
  • Liberal MP Andy Fillmore (United States).
  • Liberal MP Peter Fonseca (Portugal).
  • Conservative MP Peter Kent (United Kingdom).
  • Liberal MP Iqra Khalid (Pakistan).
  • Conservative MP Tom Kmiec (Poland).
  • Liberal MP Michael Levitt (United Kingdom).
  • Liberal MP Alexandra Mendes (Portugal).
  • Liberal MP Maryam Monsef (Afghanistan citizenship, born in Iran).
  • Liberal MP Eva Nassif (Lebanon).
  • Conservative MP Alex Nuttall (United Kingdom).
  • Liberal MP Pablo Rodriguez (Argentina).
  • Liberal MP Marwan Tabbara (Lebanon).
  • Conservative Sen. Salma Ataullahjan (Pakistan).
  • Independent Sen. Tony Dean (United Kingdom).
  • Independent Sen. Rosa Galvez (Peru).
  • Liberal Sen. Mobina Jaffer (United Kingdom citizenship, born in Uganda).
Others, like Liberal MP Gary Anandasangaree, who was born in Sri Lanka, NDP MP Jenny Kwan, who was born in Hong Kong, and Green Party leader Elizabeth May, who was born in the U.S., told CBC News they aren't even certain of their citizenship status from their countries of birth.




OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DID YOU CATCH THAT hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Greenie Liz May was also born in United States!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No knowledge of citizenship status

Anandasangaree has no idea if he holds citizenship from Sri Lanka, but said if he does, he would gladly renounce it.


Conservative MP Peter Kent, who was born in the U.K. to Canadian parents working there, didn't know he had British citizenship until he was an adult and applied for a Canadian passport.


NDP MP Randall Garrison, who came to Canada 44 years ago, assumed his U.S. citizenship was automatically rescinded because he did not meet several requirements for continued citizenship. He only learned that was not the case when taking part in a parliamentary delegation to Washington in March 2017, when he was told he was ineligible to enter the U.S. on a Canadian passport because he was a U.S. citizen.
He was eventually allowed in on a one-time basis and a red-flagged file, and it cost him $3,000 to later sort out the administrative requirements.


Conservative MP and former cabinet minister Tony Clement was four years old when his family immigrated to Canada from the U.K.
His family was actually bound for Australia, but his father made a spontaneous decision to choose Canada instead because of a rude Australian immigration officer. That twist of fate afforded him a life of public service in Canada, as dual citizenship would have disqualified him from elected office in Australia.
Clement believes people should not be excluded based on birthplace, and said the "sole responsibility" of an MP is to represent the people and interests of Canada.
"To the extent there is any clash between our country and another country's interests, we always have to support Canada's interests and Canada's values," he said.
But his Conservative colleague Deepak Obhrai disagrees.
He gave up his citizenship from Tanzania, and raised concerns that elected officials could be susceptible to divided loyalties and foreign influence by holding dual citizenship. He is opposed to it in principle.
"I believe people who look for dual nationality, it is for self interest, either for business reasons, tax reasons, health reasons, seeking safety, whatever," he said. "In my opinion, most of these people do not get Canadian citizenship because they love Canada, it is because of convenience."

Conservative MP Deepak Obhrai is opposed to MPs holding dual citizenship, saying it could divide their loyalties. (Jacques Boissinot, Canadian Press)
Obhrai's view may not represent the majority, but political controversies over dual citizenship have erupted in Canada in past.
In 2012, then-NDP leadership hopeful Tom Mulcair was forced to defend his Canadian and French dual citizenship. At the time, Stephen Harper said it was up to Mulcair to use his own "political judgment" when questions arose, stating: "In my case, as I say, I'm very clear. I'm a Canadian and only a Canadian."
Former Liberal leader Stéphane Dion faced a similar controversy in 2006, when he was forced to publicly affirm his loyalty to Canada because he held French citizenship, as his mother was born in France.
Past controversies

At the time, NDP leader Jack Layton said a party leader should "hold only Canadian citizenship" and that it's "better to remain the citizen of one country."


Before that, Michaëlle Jean renounced the French citizenship she acquired for family reasons before she was sworn in as Governor General and commander-in-chief of the Canadian Forces in 2005.


Oh and CATCH THIS ONE hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our former Governor General Haitian born Michael Jean RENOUNCED Her Haitian citizenship before being appointed as G.G.


NO WONDER she would not allow the Bloc Quebecois to do that NASTY DEAL with LIE-berals and NDPers to defeat Harper!!!!!!!!!!


You RECALL that deal dont you hemerHOID??????????????????????????


LIE-berals and their IDIOT COUSINS so desperate for POWER AT ANY PRICE.............................


that they would VOLUNTARILY GIVE the Bloc heads TOTAL VETO POWER.........................................


over ALL LEGISLATION Proposed in our Parliament!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The dual citizenship fiasco continues to escalate in Australia, with more parliamentarians called into question.
Rodney Smith, a professor in the department of government and international relations at the University of Sydney, does not anticipate any change to the constitutional requirement.
"I think the major parties will just live with the fact that they have to vet candidates much more carefully now," he said. "To be fair, the major parties do this. Candidates themselves are a large part of the problem, since some resent the checking, or are blasé about it."

Canada's parliament includes 56 members who were born in other countries, and 22 MPs and Senators who hold dual or triple citizenship. It's a much different situation than in Australia, where MPs are barred if they hold dual citizenship. (Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press)


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



THE disconnect between hemerHOID and REALITY grows ever larger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CBC News tells us this::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

As Australia ousts MPs with dual citizenship, Canada's Parliament embraces many in its ranks

At least 56 foreign-born members, 22 with dual or triple citizenship, hold seats in House of Commons, Senate



NOTE THAT hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Some "CDN" MP`s HOLD TRIPLE CITIZENSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





CBC News · Posted: Dec 10, 2017 5:00 AM ET | Last Updated: December 10, 2017

Conservative MP Tony Clement, left, Independent Sen. Tony Dean and Liberal MP Iqra Khalid are among more than 22 parliamentarians who hold dual citizenship. (Canadian Press)
As a dual citizenship debacle rocks Australia's political world, Canada's Parliament embraces sitting MPs and Senators who were born around the world and hold dual, or even triple, citizenship.


There are now at least 56 sitting parliamentarians — 44 MPs and 12 senators — born in countries outside Canada, according to information from the Library of Parliament and websites.


At least 22 of them have citizenship from other countries, CBC News confirmed through queries to parliamentarians' offices.
That figure does not include MPs and senators who hold citizenship through descent, naturalization or marriage.


Canadian MPs hold citizenship from various countries, including Afghanistan, Lebanon, Portugal, Poland, Pakistan, Syria, the United States and the United Kingdom.


Dual citizens welcome in Canada's parliament

That dual citizenship would disqualify them from holding office in Australia, where Section 44 of the Constitution bars anyone who is a citizen of a "foreign power" from sitting in Parliament.


In Canada, the only requirements for seeking a seat in the House of Commons are that you are a Canadian citizen, at least 18 years old, and not serving prison sentence of more than two years. To be a senator in Canada, an individual has to be at least 30 years old, a resident of the province they represent, and own property worth at least $4,000 in that province.


Liberal MP Salma Zahid, who holds Canadian, U.K. and Pakistani citizenships, does not judge any other country's rules around who is qualified to serve. But she says she is proud that Canada's government, which has 338 seats in the House of Commons and 105 in the Senate, reflects its population.


"Other than our Indigenous nation, everyone else came to Canada from somewhere else," she said. "It's really amazing to see such a big diversity in the House of Commons, because it really is important that people see themselves represented."
Born around the world

Zahid was born in England while her father was studying at university, so holds U.K. citizenship by birth. Her family returned to Pakistan three months later, where she was naturalized as a Pakistani citizen, then she received Canadian citizenship after immigrating to Canada as an adult with her husband and son.
Many Canadian parliamentarians born in countries such as India and China have had their citizenship terminated, either by choice or due to citizenship revocation rules of those countries.
Some MPs and senators who hold dual citizenship are:

  • Conservative MP Ziad Aboultaif (Lebanon).
  • Liberal MP Omar Alghabra (Syrian citizenship, born in Saudi Arabia).
  • Liberal MP Faycal El-Khoury (Lebanon).
  • Liberal MP Andy Fillmore (United States).
  • Liberal MP Peter Fonseca (Portugal).
  • Conservative MP Peter Kent (United Kingdom).
  • Liberal MP Iqra Khalid (Pakistan).
  • Conservative MP Tom Kmiec (Poland).
  • Liberal MP Michael Levitt (United Kingdom).
  • Liberal MP Alexandra Mendes (Portugal).
  • Liberal MP Maryam Monsef (Afghanistan citizenship, born in Iran).
  • Liberal MP Eva Nassif (Lebanon).
  • Conservative MP Alex Nuttall (United Kingdom).
  • Liberal MP Pablo Rodriguez (Argentina).
  • Liberal MP Marwan Tabbara (Lebanon).
  • Conservative Sen. Salma Ataullahjan (Pakistan).
  • Independent Sen. Tony Dean (United Kingdom).
  • Independent Sen. Rosa Galvez (Peru).
  • Liberal Sen. Mobina Jaffer (United Kingdom citizenship, born in Uganda).
Others, like Liberal MP Gary Anandasangaree, who was born in Sri Lanka, NDP MP Jenny Kwan, who was born in Hong Kong, and Green Party leader Elizabeth May, who was born in the U.S., told CBC News they aren't even certain of their citizenship status from their countries of birth.




OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DID YOU CATCH THAT hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Greenie Liz May was also born in United States!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No knowledge of citizenship status

Anandasangaree has no idea if he holds citizenship from Sri Lanka, but said if he does, he would gladly renounce it.


Conservative MP Peter Kent, who was born in the U.K. to Canadian parents working there, didn't know he had British citizenship until he was an adult and applied for a Canadian passport.


NDP MP Randall Garrison, who came to Canada 44 years ago, assumed his U.S. citizenship was automatically rescinded because he did not meet several requirements for continued citizenship. He only learned that was not the case when taking part in a parliamentary delegation to Washington in March 2017, when he was told he was ineligible to enter the U.S. on a Canadian passport because he was a U.S. citizen.
He was eventually allowed in on a one-time basis and a red-flagged file, and it cost him $3,000 to later sort out the administrative requirements.


Conservative MP and former cabinet minister Tony Clement was four years old when his family immigrated to Canada from the U.K.
His family was actually bound for Australia, but his father made a spontaneous decision to choose Canada instead because of a rude Australian immigration officer. That twist of fate afforded him a life of public service in Canada, as dual citizenship would have disqualified him from elected office in Australia.
Clement believes people should not be excluded based on birthplace, and said the "sole responsibility" of an MP is to represent the people and interests of Canada.
"To the extent there is any clash between our country and another country's interests, we always have to support Canada's interests and Canada's values," he said.
But his Conservative colleague Deepak Obhrai disagrees.
He gave up his citizenship from Tanzania, and raised concerns that elected officials could be susceptible to divided loyalties and foreign influence by holding dual citizenship. He is opposed to it in principle.
"I believe people who look for dual nationality, it is for self interest, either for business reasons, tax reasons, health reasons, seeking safety, whatever," he said. "In my opinion, most of these people do not get Canadian citizenship because they love Canada, it is because of convenience."

Conservative MP Deepak Obhrai is opposed to MPs holding dual citizenship, saying it could divide their loyalties. (Jacques Boissinot, Canadian Press)
Obhrai's view may not represent the majority, but political controversies over dual citizenship have erupted in Canada in past.
In 2012, then-NDP leadership hopeful Tom Mulcair was forced to defend his Canadian and French dual citizenship. At the time, Stephen Harper said it was up to Mulcair to use his own "political judgment" when questions arose, stating: "In my case, as I say, I'm very clear. I'm a Canadian and only a Canadian."
Former Liberal leader Stéphane Dion faced a similar controversy in 2006, when he was forced to publicly affirm his loyalty to Canada because he held French citizenship, as his mother was born in France.
Past controversies

At the time, NDP leader Jack Layton said a party leader should "hold only Canadian citizenship" and that it's "better to remain the citizen of one country."


Before that, Michaëlle Jean renounced the French citizenship she acquired for family reasons before she was sworn in as Governor General and commander-in-chief of the Canadian Forces in 2005.


Oh and CATCH THIS ONE hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our former Governor General Haitian born Michael Jean RENOUNCED Her Haitian citizenship before being appointed as G.G.


NO WONDER she would not allow the Bloc Quebecois to do that NASTY DEAL with LIE-berals and NDPers to defeat Harper!!!!!!!!!!


You RECALL that deal dont you hemerHOID??????????????????????????


LIE-berals and their IDIOT COUSINS so desperate for POWER AT ANY PRICE.............................


that they would VOLUNTARILY GIVE the Bloc heads TOTAL VETO POWER.........................................


over ALL LEGISLATION Proposed in our Parliament!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The dual citizenship fiasco continues to escalate in Australia, with more parliamentarians called into question.
Rodney Smith, a professor in the department of government and international relations at the University of Sydney, does not anticipate any change to the constitutional requirement.
"I think the major parties will just live with the fact that they have to vet candidates much more carefully now," he said. "To be fair, the major parties do this. Candidates themselves are a large part of the problem, since some resent the checking, or are blasé about it."

Canada's parliament includes 56 members who were born in other countries, and 22 MPs and Senators who hold dual or triple citizenship. It's a much different situation than in Australia, where MPs are barred if they hold dual citizenship. (Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press)


About the Author



Kathleen HarrisSenior Writer


Kathleen Harris is a senior writer in the CBC's Parliament Hill bureau. She covers politics, immigration, justice and corrections.






By the way hemerHOID..........................................................


the KEY to all this is WHAT LIE-berals actually do about RACE ISSUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It was Hedy Fry - born on a Caribbean Island ....................................................


who WAS FORCED TO APOLOGIZE for her screeching rage.................................


howling about how Cdns were all Systemic RACISTS................................


a theme apparently adopted by ALL LIE-berals.............................................



and Hedy CLAIMED that "CROSSES ARE BURNING IN PRINCE GEORGE AS WE SPEAK"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is Iqra Khalid who wants to TAKE AWAY OUR FREE SPEECH.........................


so that we CAN NEVER SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MUSLIM TERROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is Iranian born Maryam Monseff whose Iranian parents LIED.........................................


and told Cdn immigration officials that they were from more politically correct Afghanistan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course it was Maryam Monseff...............................


the holder of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION PAPERS........................................


because it is a CRIME to LIE to Cdn customs about your place of birth..................................


who went into a shrieking melt down in the middle of our parliament................................


BECAUSE LIE-beral plans to RIG OUR FUTURE ELECTIONS..........................


using proportional representation and ranked ballots and forced assignment of MP seats......................................


ACCORDING TO GENDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Monseff was forced to apologize for her antics..........................................................


but has NOTHING TO SAY about her place of birth or her Fake papers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Scheer can at least state HONESTLY that he came from a country FRIENDLY to Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


UNLIKE Hedy Fry, Iqra Khalid and Maryam Monseff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And shall we not recall that it was ITALIAN BORN Alphonso Gagliano...........................................


who was LIE-beral Minster of Human Resources.............................................


at the time THREE BILLION DOLLARS of our tax money DISAPPEARED..............................................


in the LIE-beral adscam scandal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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First of all, how is 34% for the Conservatives, and 33.6% for the Liberals a Liberal lead? In seat count, yes........but that is not the traditional way of looking at polls. You will notice the seat count game offers a wide spectrum of possibilities........that is why it is not the metric you should be using.


Secondly, WHAT Scheer scandal? Dual citizenship, which he renounced in August?



Gimme a break.


All of which begs the question - Why is Hoid so gung ho about a political party that is steeped in corruption?
 

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All of which begs the question - Why is Hoid so gung ho about a political party that is steeped in corruption?
No he says he is Green . But he does go out of his way to defend Trudeau and his liberal sheep .
 

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lol Scheer is an American citizen

the election is over


Scheer is not an American citizen. He has renounced it......back in August. He is just waiting for the paperwork to go through.


This is a nothing burger, the Liberals clutching at straws.
 

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All of which begs the question - Why is Hoid so gung ho about a political party that is steeped in corruption?


Simple.


He's a troll.


He will say anything he thinks will irritate people.


He's right.......he irritates people, just like a 4 year old having a tantrum.
 

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Scheer is not an American citizen. He has renounced it......back in August. He is just waiting for the paperwork to go through.


This is a nothing burger, the Liberals clutching at straws.
Nope. He is "in the process" of renouncing it.

For the moment he remains subject to the draft at President's Trumps discretion.