Deny Climate Change@Your own Risk.

[Serryah]

Massacring animals because we are superior? Good grief.

Well "Good grief" to those who actually say that animals are there for us to slaughter and that's all. I've even heard the Bible as an excuse as to why it's our 'right' to do with animals as we see fit, including hunting to extinction. Given the amount of animals killed just for TROPHIES... what would YOU call the reasoning behind someone who hunts like that? Sport? Psh, how sporting can it be when the animals now are pretty much baited and/or raised specifically to be killed? Food? Maybe for prey animals, but just as many predators are killed, so what's the excuse there? Money to the local economy? Maybe though I understand that's debatable, and what happens when the last of that species is hunted out? No more money to the local economy, soooo...

So yeah, I'd call it massacring animals because we have this superiority complex. That it's a "because they are there" complex.

As for clear cutting forests, putting pollutants and 'such' into our environment, I suggest you take a trip to China, or Russia or India or Brazil or any of the many countries who don't give a damn about 'climate change' and could care less about the consequences.

I don't need to, I know. And that's what I mean. I don't care WHAT country you're from, it seems to be a general, overall consensus that as a human, we should not give a shit.

Why???

What's wrong with trying to use economical influences on those more polluting countries to stop/change things? What's wrong with pushing the "do something" belief? What's wrong with pushing the "it has to stop" belief? If countries like Canada and the US have people who don't think that we need to give a shit about the environment, then why should other countries? Why should they live under the "do as I say, not as I do" rule? I mean, what incentive would India or China have to clean up their acts, literally, when the US just erased a lot of THEIR protections?

No matter what Canada does, the countries who do not accept the current doctrine of 'man-made climate change will continue to pollute. Preaching to Canadians who do believe that the climate is changing will do nothing to change those facts.

I'm not even saying it's man-made climate change.

Or even climate change at all.

I'm asking why is wanting a cleaner world, a more protected world, BAD?

 

[Danbones]

It's bad when its a scam meant to destroy your country's economy for the benefit of other people.

While meanwhile, no environment gets fixed or protected for anyone but the rich who are causing this intentional disparity.

 

[pgs]

Not a thing. Just because some folks ..even in CDA don't want to take responsibility for their polluting behavior......does note mean that others who are eco conscious......should not keep going on with their efforts. Just because a few highly populated countries behave in anti eco friendly ways.....does not mean that many others should stop their efforts. Hopefully the pollutant guilty nations will clue in at some point.

So have you been to Granville Island lately ? Do you see the kayakers out sharing the clean water with the fish and seals ? Now think back prior to Expo 86 when False Creek was a dead zone full of stinky slimy sludge . We do and are cleaning our environment and changing habits to protect same environment . How will giving government more of your tax help the environment ? If we banned politicians and bureaucrats from flying we would do more for the environment then all the carbon taxes combined .

 

[B00Mer]

 

[petros]

Is climate change actually a 'climate crisis'? Some think so
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...alism-language-guardian-cbc-1.5166678?cmp=rss
It is probably gaining momentum to a crisis.-quite rapidly

Tornados active in Tornado alley is proof of climate change Oh Ok carry on SMFH

Cold, dry air from the north colliding with hot moist air from the south creates tornados.

Hot dry air colliding with hot moist air can't create tornados.

Impossible.

 

[petros]

The JST is doomed.

 

[petros]

Cold, dry air from the north colliding with hot moist air from the south creates tornados.
Hot dry air colliding with hot moist air can't create tornados.
Impossible.

Most tornadoes form from thunderstorms. You need warm, moist air from the Gulf of Mexico and cool, dry air from Canada. When these two air masses meet, they create instability in the atmosphere. ... Most strong and violent tornadoes form within this area of strong rotation.
https://www.weatherwizkids.com › weath...

 

[B00Mer]

Cold, dry air from the north colliding with hot moist air from the south creates tornados.
Hot dry air colliding with hot moist air can't create tornados.
Impossible.

Yeah but all that Hot Air out of Ottawa politicians and they had tornados last month..

Blame Trudeau, blame Trudeau.. *singing*

 

[Serryah]

It's bad when its a scam meant to destroy your country's economy for the benefit of other people.

While meanwhile, no environment gets fixed or protected for anyone but the rich who are causing this intentional disparity.

A scam to destroy a country's economy...


Proof please? I mean, I get that initially yes, it's likely being environmentally considerate might be costly, usually all things are, but as better tech is created/invented and more focus put into such things (which is only happening a little bit comparatively to what it could), I don't see the economy being destroyed. But then I'm not suffering from innate greed like so many.



As for it being a benefit of 'other people'... ALL people benefit from a cleaner world.


So if I go out into the environment and am able to do so without seeing trash all over, or non-degrading plastics and whatnot, I'm not benefiting?


Sorry, not proving your point about why it's BAD to want a cleaner, healthier Earth...

 

[petros]

We ("the West") are advancing far too fast. There are people living a 18th century existence in 21st century world.

This is about us slowing down for the rest to catch up and nothing to do with pollution or climate.

How can this:

compete with this?

 

[pgs]

A scam to destroy a country's economy...


Proof please? I mean, I get that initially yes, it's likely being environmentally considerate might be costly, usually all things are, but as better tech is created/invented and more focus put into such things (which is only happening a little bit comparatively to what it could), I don't see the economy being destroyed. But then I'm not suffering from innate greed like so many.



As for it being a benefit of 'other people'... ALL people benefit from a cleaner world.


So if I go out into the environment and am able to do so without seeing trash all over, or non-degrading plastics and whatnot, I'm not benefiting?


Sorry, not proving your point about why it's BAD to want a cleaner, healthier Earth...

Paying tax dollars to the big black hole called Ottawa will not clean anything . You would do more for the environment by picking up the trash in your neighbourhood then putting it into general revenue so Trudeau and his photographers can fly off for selfies .

 

[Hoid]

Piggy must have read the term "general revenue" recently.

It has made a tidewater-like impression on him.

 

[pgs]

Piggy must have read the term "general revenue" recently.

It has made a tidewater-like impression on him.

Sure running deficits for your grandchildren to pay isn’t enough . Let’s give them more .

 

[Hoid]

Sure running deficits for your grandchildren to pay isn’t enough . Let’s give them more .

the Chretien and Martin Liberals paid down that debt - then your boy Harper got in there and re-borrowed it all and more

Typical conservative - whines about debt - borrows more money

 

[Mowich]

Well "Good grief" to those who actually say that animals are there for us to slaughter and that's all. I've even heard the Bible as an excuse as to why it's our 'right' to do with animals as we see fit, including hunting to extinction. Given the amount of animals killed just for TROPHIES... what would YOU call the reasoning behind someone who hunts like that? Sport? Psh, how sporting can it be when the animals now are pretty much baited and/or raised specifically to be killed? Food? Maybe for prey animals, but just as many predators are killed, so what's the excuse there? Money to the local economy? Maybe though I understand that's debatable, and what happens when the last of that species is hunted out? No more money to the local economy, soooo...

So yeah, I'd call it massacring animals because we have this superiority complex. That it's a "because they are there" complex.

Okay, so it is wild animals that you are commenting about. Where I live many of my friends both here and on our local reserve, hunt. They do it for food and with the rising cost of beef/pork, I expect that will continue. I support them. I am however, very much against trophy hunting of any species.

I don't need to, I know. And that's what I mean. I don't care WHAT country you're from, it seems to be a general, overall consensus that as a human, we should not give a shit.

Why???

What's wrong with trying to use economical influences on those more polluting countries to stop/change things? What's wrong with pushing the "do something" belief? What's wrong with pushing the "it has to stop" belief? If countries like Canada and the US have people who don't think that we need to give a shit about the environment, then why should other countries? Why should they live under the "do as I say, not as I do" rule? I mean, what incentive would India or China have to clean up their acts, literally, when the US just erased a lot of THEIR protections?

Canada is doing it's part and will continue to do so - it has no control over what the U.S. does or doesn't do regarding their environment. If Americans gave a shit they would be hollering in the streets about Trump basically gutting the EPA but each time he throws another regulation out the window the news barely merits mention. But again, it's their country and I do not condone preaching to any other country what they should do within their own borders for the simple reason that it opens our country to similar treatment.

I'm asking why is wanting a cleaner world, a more protected world, BAD?

I'm all for a cleaner world but realize that change does not happen overnight no matter how fast we would like it to. There are many factors, not the least of which is cost, that need to be taken into consideration. The government coffers are not bottomless pits.

As for protection - again Canada can only work within its own borders/boundaries. We have very strict environmental protections - some of the best in the world. Could we do better - maybe but it depends on exactly what it is you want protected - and why.

 

[Mowich]

Wow! The denial of thousands of weather anomalies world wide over decades by one climate denier is proof that the whole thing is bogus. I am amazed at the small mindedness of deniers.

Depends on what they are denying, Cliffy. Is the climate changing? Sure it is. Is man to blame? It appears the jury is still out on that one given all the various factors involved that many pushing the agenda choose to ignore.

 

[Serryah]

Okay, so it is wild animals that you are commenting about. Where I live many of my friends both here and on our local reserve, hunt. They do it for food and with the rising cost of beef/pork, I expect that will continue. I support them. I am however, very much against trophy hunting of any species.

There's hunting and trophy hunting; I agree with you on hunting for food, and am against trophy hunting of any kind. Knowing there are species out there now on the edge of vanishing, yet humans still want to hunt them until they're gone. Those animals are part of the environment for a reason; killing them off leaves a hole that can't be replaced, which damages the world, etc...

But yes, a difference between hunting for food and trophies.

Canada is doing it's part and will continue to do so - it has no control over what the U.S. does or doesn't do regarding their environment. If Americans gave a shit they would be hollering in the streets about Trump basically gutting the EPA but each time he throws another regulation out the window the news barely merits mention. But again, it's their country and I do not condone preaching to any other country what they should do within their own borders for the simple reason that it opens our country to similar treatment.

I do agree with you on this, but there are a lot of Canadians who feel the same as the US, and are doing their damnest to either fight any positive changes or (just look on this forum) those who don't give a shyte either way. It's really to them I just wonder why it's so wrong not to give a shyte about the planet.

I'm all for a cleaner world but realize that change does not happen overnight no matter how fast we would like it to. There are many factors, not the least of which is cost, that need to be taken into consideration. The government coffers are not bottomless pits.

As for protection - again Canada can only work within its own borders/boundaries. We have very strict environmental protections - some of the best in the world. Could we do better - maybe but it depends on exactly what it is you want protected - and why.

Agreed and agreed.

But again it's down to those who oppose doing *anything*; why is it such a bad thing? I honestly do not understand the mentality of it.

 

[Danbones]

A scam to destroy a country's economy...
Proof please? I mean, I get that initially yes, it's likely being environmentally considerate might be costly, usually all things are, but as better tech is created/invented and more focus put into such things (which is only happening a little bit comparatively to what it could), I don't see the economy being destroyed. But then I'm not suffering from innate greed like so many.
As for it being a benefit of 'other people'... ALL people benefit from a cleaner world.
So if I go out into the environment and am able to do so without seeing trash all over, or non-degrading plastics and whatnot, I'm not benefiting?
Sorry, not proving your point about why it's BAD to want a cleaner, healthier Earth...

https://www.azquotes.com/author/14256-Maurice_Strong

Maurice Strong and the Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science
https://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com/2014/02/maurice-strong-and-deliberate.html

Maurice Strong, Climate Crook
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2015/12/discovering-maurice-strong/

Farewell to the man who invented 'climate change’

To this day, global climate policy is still shaped by the agenda of Maurice Strong, a Canadian multimillionaire

A very odd thing happened last weekend. The death was announced of the man who, in the past 40 years, has arguably been more influential on global politics than any other single individual. Yet the world scarcely noticed...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ea...l-to-the-man-who-invented-climate-change.html

WORLD ENEMY NO. 1 _ MAURICE STRONG?
https://conservativesonfire.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/world-enemy-no-1-_-maurice-strong/


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Short sellers wait and wait and wait for Canadian banks to sink
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/short-s...and-wait-for-canadian-banks-to-sink-1.1242866

U.S. short sellers betting on Canadian housing crash:
https://www.shuswaphomes.com/blog/u-s-short-sellers-betting-on-canadian-housing-crash/

Billion Dollar Fund Manager Comes Out Of Retirement To Bet Against Canadian Real Estate
https://betterdwelling.com/city/toronto/marc-cohodes-short-canadian-real-estate/

Canada Has World's 4th-Highest Risk Of Debt Crisis: Report
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/...ighest-risk-of-debt-crisis-report_a_23296454/

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... and if that wasn't plain enough:


Big Short's Steve Eisman is now targeting Canadian banks
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/big-short-s-steve-eisman-is-now-targeting-canadian-banks-1.1232538

 

[pgs]

There's hunting and trophy hunting; I agree with you on hunting for food, and am against trophy hunting of any kind. Knowing there are species out there now on the edge of vanishing, yet humans still want to hunt them until they're gone. Those animals are part of the environment for a reason; killing them off leaves a hole that can't be replaced, which damages the world, etc...

But yes, a difference between hunting for food and trophies.






I do agree with you on this, but there are a lot of Canadians who feel the same as the US, and are doing their damnest to either fight any positive changes or (just look on this forum) those who don't give a shyte either way. It's really to them I just wonder why it's so wrong not to give a shyte about the planet.






Agreed and agreed.

But again it's down to those who oppose doing *anything*; why is it such a bad thing? I honestly do not understand the mentality of it.

The sad result of polarized politics . Two or more sides have the same desire but can’t or won’t agree on how to get there . Lets ostracize that guy he is different .

 

[Twin_Moose]

There's hunting and trophy hunting; I agree with you on hunting for food, and am against trophy hunting of any kind. Knowing there are species out there now on the edge of vanishing, yet humans still want to hunt them until they're gone. Those animals are part of the environment for a reason; killing them off leaves a hole that can't be replaced, which damages the world, etc...

Legal trophy hunters only take a small fraction of animals that sustenance hunters take, illegal poacher's hunting for the black market is a major problem. It's only the perception that hunter's take pride of their mature harvest that turn people off but in reality the success rate is only about 1 in 10 trophy hunter vs animal kill. What is the success rate of sustenance hunters 1 to 1?