Trudeau says 'erosion of trust,' bad communications sparked SNC-Lavalin controversy

Decapoda

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Raybould choosing to remain in the Liberal Party is like burning down your parent's house, and then walking through the front door asking when supper will be served.


Analogies, okay...

What Trudeau was asking her to do with the Public Prosecutors judicial decision is like a mafia hit-man walking into a courtroom after a guilty verdict has been rendered against an "associate", and threatening the judge to change his mind...because, you know...it's for jobs.
 

Twin_Moose

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And still remains gagged for events which happened after Jan. 7th. We are only allowed to hear Butts' and Trudeau's version of why she was shuffled out of cabinet, not hers....and a motion to bring her back to fill in some holes is voted down by the Liberal majority committee. Tells you pretty much all you need to know.
Liberal MPs block effort to immediately invite Wilson-Raybould to testify further on SNC-Lavalin affair
“It seems grossly unfair, with all due respect, that we were allowing Mr. Butts to come and talk about what happened after she
cabinet but she can’t do so,”​
NDP justice critic Murray Rankin said.
Ms. Wilson-Raybould said she is still limited as to what she can say, since a cabinet order permitting her to speak without violating solicitor-client privilege and cabinet confidentiality does not apply to conversations that took place after she was shuffled out of the justice portfolio or in relation to her resignation.
Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre said the government must eliminate the "gag order” that prevents Ms. Wilson-Raybould from telling the whole truth.​


You would think since they opened the door she should be able to respond without the gag order lifted​
 

Decapoda

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You would think since they opened the door she should be able to respond without the gag order lifted

Liberals wouldn't want "her" whole truth (ie..."the" truth) to get out and spoil Trudeau's latest narrative, which seems to be holding the line...for now.

This lying, disingenuous little weasel is as corrupt as they come. What compounds things and makes it exponentially worse is that he's also shallow and incompetent. So much for "doing things differently."
 

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Liberals wouldn't want "her" whole truth (ie..."the" truth) to get out and spoil Trudeau's latest narrative, which seems to be holding the line...for now.

This lying, disingenuous little weasel is as corrupt as they come. What compounds things and makes it exponentially worse is that he's also shallow and incompetent. So much for "doing things differently."
The economy seems to be doing alright,
 

petros

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It sucks it seems and the data backs that.

Is Canada’s economy on the verge of slipping into a recession?

It’s a question some analysts are asking after another release of less-than-impressive statistics last week.

The latest bit of evidence came Friday, when Statistics Canada announced the Canadian economy grew by a paltry 0.1 per cent in the fourth quarter. That was the slowest growth in two and a half years.

Lower prices for oil, a slump in real estate prompted by tighter mortgage rules and slower business spending are some of the culprits for the slowdown cited by Statistics Canada. As a result, most experts expect the Bank of Canada to leave its key overnight lending rate unchanged Wednesday at 1.75 per cent.

“There is no denying that Canada is facing a perfect storm at present,” said TD senior economist Brian DePratto in a report analyzing the new data.

“A more intense-than-expected moderation of economic growth came just as North American commodity markets sent Canadian heavy oil prices lower, resulting in an additional near-term growth shock as producers curtailed output,” DePratto added. “All of this is taking place against a backdrop of still highly levered households facing rising borrowing costs for the first time in a generation.”

Read more:

Startling near-halt to economy stokes fear of recession

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Of just as much concern, said CIBC’s Ian Pollick, is that consumer spending — which has helped save the economic day in the past — has also taken a hit.

“While growth was fully expected to slow, some of the details made even the most pessimistic forecaster take notice. ... Canada just posted its worst household consumption numbers since 2015,” Pollick said in a research note.

For a third straight quarter, business spending also fell, this time by 10.9 per cent. That’s hardly reassuring, either, said Benjamin Reitzes, an interest rate strategist at BMO.

“The (Bank of Canada) banking on investment and exports taking the growth reins, but that’s hardly been the case,” said Reitzes, who, like most analysts, expects the bank to leave the overnight lending rate unchanged Wednesday.

“Given the weaker growth backdrop, with the trade and housing uncertainties unlikely to be resolved, we look for the (bank) to be on hold through most of this year,” Reitzes wrote.


The Bank of Canada has raised the rate four times in the last year and a half, with the most recent rise coming in October.

In 2018, the Canadian economy grew by 1.8 per cent, a significant slowdown from the 3 per cent growth in 2017. According to a Bloomberg survey of economists, Canada’s economy is expected to grow by 1.8 per cent in 2019, with a 20 per cent chance of a recession.

Still, despite the steady drip of so-so economic data, we’re unlikely to experience a deep or prolonged recession, suggested TD’s DePratto. That’s due at least in part to the fact that the U.S. economy is still (relatively) humming along. DePratto believes Canada could have a “technical” recession, or two straight quarters where the economy shrinks.

“There are marked differences between a slump, a technical recession, and a true recession,” DePratto wrote. A “true” recession, DePratto wrote, is deeper and more widespread throughout the economy than a technical one.

As an example of a “true” recession, DePratto noted the recession sparked by the 2008 financial crisis. Unemployment rose by 2.5 per cent, across the country in a variety of sectors. In 2015’s “technical” recession, unemployment rose by just half a percentage point, and was mostly driven by a slump in the oil and gas industry.

Josh Rubin is a Toronto-based business reporter. Follow him on Twitter: @starbeer
 

Hoid

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It sucks it seems and the data backs that.

Is Canada’s economy on the verge of slipping into a recession?

It’s a question some analysts are asking after another release of less-than-impressive statistics last week.

The latest bit of evidence came Friday, when Statistics Canada announced the Canadian economy grew by a paltry 0.1 per cent in the fourth quarter. That was the slowest growth in two and a half years.

Lower prices for oil, a slump in real estate prompted by tighter mortgage rules and slower business spending are some of the culprits for the slowdown cited by Statistics Canada. As a result, most experts expect the Bank of Canada to leave its key overnight lending rate unchanged Wednesday at 1.75 per cent.

“There is no denying that Canada is facing a perfect storm at present,” said TD senior economist Brian DePratto in a report analyzing the new data.

“A more intense-than-expected moderation of economic growth came just as North American commodity markets sent Canadian heavy oil prices lower, resulting in an additional near-term growth shock as producers curtailed output,” DePratto added. “All of this is taking place against a backdrop of still highly levered households facing rising borrowing costs for the first time in a generation.”

Read more:

Startling near-halt to economy stokes fear of recession

More people are going broke in Canada as interest rates rise

Immigration expected to dominate talks on Atlantic Canada economy

Of just as much concern, said CIBC’s Ian Pollick, is that consumer spending — which has helped save the economic day in the past — has also taken a hit.

“While growth was fully expected to slow, some of the details made even the most pessimistic forecaster take notice. ... Canada just posted its worst household consumption numbers since 2015,” Pollick said in a research note.

For a third straight quarter, business spending also fell, this time by 10.9 per cent. That’s hardly reassuring, either, said Benjamin Reitzes, an interest rate strategist at BMO.

“The (Bank of Canada) banking on investment and exports taking the growth reins, but that’s hardly been the case,” said Reitzes, who, like most analysts, expects the bank to leave the overnight lending rate unchanged Wednesday.

“Given the weaker growth backdrop, with the trade and housing uncertainties unlikely to be resolved, we look for the (bank) to be on hold through most of this year,” Reitzes wrote.


The Bank of Canada has raised the rate four times in the last year and a half, with the most recent rise coming in October.

In 2018, the Canadian economy grew by 1.8 per cent, a significant slowdown from the 3 per cent growth in 2017. According to a Bloomberg survey of economists, Canada’s economy is expected to grow by 1.8 per cent in 2019, with a 20 per cent chance of a recession.

Still, despite the steady drip of so-so economic data, we’re unlikely to experience a deep or prolonged recession, suggested TD’s DePratto. That’s due at least in part to the fact that the U.S. economy is still (relatively) humming along. DePratto believes Canada could have a “technical” recession, or two straight quarters where the economy shrinks.

“There are marked differences between a slump, a technical recession, and a true recession,” DePratto wrote. A “true” recession, DePratto wrote, is deeper and more widespread throughout the economy than a technical one.

As an example of a “true” recession, DePratto noted the recession sparked by the 2008 financial crisis. Unemployment rose by 2.5 per cent, across the country in a variety of sectors. In 2015’s “technical” recession, unemployment rose by just half a percentage point, and was mostly driven by a slump in the oil and gas industry.

Josh Rubin is a Toronto-based business reporter. Follow him on Twitter: @starbeer
as I said...
 

White_Unifier

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Borderline recession seems good to you?

I never blamed Harper for the recession he found himself in so I won't blame Trudeau for this one: governments in free-market economies cannot control the market enough to prevent its ups and downs. If that's what you want, you might want to turn to the USSR as a model.

That said, I do hold Trudeau accountable for three things:

1. Interest rates. (They could be worse, but they have increased none-the-less).

2. Inflation. (It could be worse, but it has increased a bit too).

3. Debt. That has skyrocketted.

Even then, to be fair, the government doesn't have total control over these three things, but it has enough control to keep them reasonably stable over a five-year period let's say. Trudeau's been in power with a majority government for a few years now, and if we average those years out, he's done a moderately poor job on points one and two and a terrible job on point three compared to his predecessor.

Actually, I'll add employment to the list too. In Sweden for example, even in recession, the lack of an obligatory minimum wage in the law gives workers the power to negotiate their wages downward if necessary. Deregulation can play a role in that too. That said, Fed, provincial, territorial, and local policies all play a role in employment and so I won't put all of the blame for that on Trudeau. Then again, Canada has added jobs, so great. The problem though is that much of those jobs come from an economy stimulated by government debt, so not sustainable. For that reason, I still place more importance on debt than on employment as a judgment of a government's success. Any government can borrow a country's way to temporary prosperity.
 

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Why are the US economy and Canadian economy like night and day right now?

The US has a larger population (so a larger market and tax base), a higher population density (so less infrastructure to build per capita), and a milder climate (which reduces overhead heating costs for government and businesses). It too has stimulated its economy on borrowed money, so not all of that is sustainable.

One area Canada could learn from though is free trade. While some US politicians (and especially Trump) can be quite foolishly protectionist, the US overall is still more pro-free-trade than Canada. Again, we can nit pick on Trump and US agricultural subsidies, etc. I'm by no means saying the US is perfect. But overall, the US still allows freer trade than Canada does. That's one thing Canada can learn from.

That said, if the US chooses a trade war, while the US economy will hurt (and yes, the US is now facing rising debt and inflation), the Canadian one will hurt even more due to our smaller market. In short, free trade benefits both sides, but Canada more. Protectionism hurts both sides, but Canada more. Again, that's just because of our relative markets. Americans are complaining about rising costs too though.

I think Canada can also learn from the US'lower minum wage which reduces the risk of the government legislating an unskilled worker into unemployment.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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No argument but Trudeau is clearly ALT-left. I've yet to meet a sycophant of the ALT-left that isn't an unqualified idiot.

Conversely, I have never met a sycophant of the alt-right who isn't an unqualified idiot. Trump, Harper and Sheer come to mind.


That's why I like being in the middle.

Trudeau doesn’t run the Liberal Party. He’s not smart enough


I stand corrected.
 

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I think Canada can also learn from the US'lower minum wage which reduces the risk of the government legislating an unskilled worker into unemployment.

Hunh?

Governmens are legislating unskilled workers into unemployment?

Link, please ...

I'm sure that the dirt poor in the US really appreciate being paid less and less as the top 1% are making more and more and paying less and less tax back into the system. They can make America great that way but I sure hope that we leave those sorts of negative growth tactics south of our border.
 

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I think Canada can also learn from the US'lower minum wage which reduces the risk of the government legislating an unskilled worker into unemployment.
Hunh?
Governmens are legislating unskilled workers into unemployment?
Link, please ...
I'm sure that the dirt poor in the US really appreciate being paid less and less as the top 1% are making more and more and paying less and less tax back into the system. They can make America great that way but I sure hope that we leave those sorts of negative growth tactics south of our border.
Why should the top 1% pay any higher taxes than the bottom 1%?