How socialism turned oil-rich Venezuela into a basket case

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I wrote starting from #41 carry on through the next page or so to see them all, comprehension is not one of your strong suits is it?
Actually I was doing the reply about letting Canad take them to court. Should I profile the ones in the list to see if they are as independent from the US as Canada is? Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Paraguay and Peru might as well do all the ones in the 13 if this is such a hot issue with you.

I wouldn't want to be accused of taking sides now would I? BTW this is the court in question. You going to say it's legit, have them investigate Canada then rather than somebody under US sanctions. Another anti-social trait of yours just showed up and you know what that means.


On September 10, Bolton threatened U.S. sanctions against the court and its judges and prosecutors should they ever pursue a case against Israel or the U.S.

Calling the ICC an "illegitimate court," Bolton told Washington's Federalist Club:
"We will let the ICC die on its own. After all, to all intents and purposes, the ICC is already dead to us."
 

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So nobody else looks like a criminal nation. Fire up the canoes and go get em. Nothing like an invasion to unite the country so don't waste any time with the invasion. In reality it will take longer, and cost mire, than brexit has so far. Those SA nations are like the Kurds in Syria, if you want to live you tah up with the ones with the most guns until the opportunity comes up to tag up with your preferred people. Is Canada include so there are some white people telling the brown people which other brown people need to be killed for the good of the Bankers. Perhaps some Judges from Vietnam should be on the Bench eh?? Might as well have Judges with 1st hand knowledge on how the main players operate.
You should visit this thread. That solve your cross dressing issue?? Posing, my bad, 'posting;
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/showthread.php?p=2691755#post2691755

You got it wrong need to do more reading
Actually I was doing the reply about letting Canad take them to court. Should I profile the ones in the list to see if they are as independent from the US as Canada is? Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Paraguay and Peru might as well do all the ones in the 13 if this is such a hot issue with you.

I wouldn't want to be accused of taking sides now would I? BTW this is the court in question. You going to say it's legit, have them investigate Canada then rather than somebody under US sanctions. Another anti-social trait of yours just showed up and you know what that means.

On September 10, Bolton threatened U.S. sanctions against the court and its judges and prosecutors should they ever pursue a case against Israel or the U.S.

Calling the ICC an "illegitimate court," Bolton told Washington's Federalist Club:
"We will let the ICC die on its own. After all, to all intents and purposes, the ICC is already dead to us."

USA and Russia have absolutely nothing to do with it
 

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I believe that was what doing a profile on the nations involved was referring to, see how independent they are after they originally lost to the School of the Americans death squads. You can bet your bottom dollar that will the the first part of every profile done.
You missed the key words, as usual. More than a few time it is a troll method so tough luck if a crack swallows you up whole.


Calling the ICC an "illegitimate court,"
 

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I already knew how to spot bullshit before I came here, I'm waiting for the collective to catch up. Did I forget to mention that part??
Back to the news. 'Sadist' and 'saddest' are two different animals.
 
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I believe that was what doing a profile on the nations involved was referring to, see how independent they are after they originally lost to the School of the Americans death squads. You can bet your bottom dollar that will the the first part of every profile done.
You missed the key words, as usual. More than a few time it is a troll method so tough luck if a crack swallows you up whole.
Calling the ICC an "illegitimate court,"

Has nothing to do with the USA they aren't in LIMA
 

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But how did it happen? First off the corrupt governments of the right backed up by
the interference of successive American Administrations created the atmosphere for
change and the the retribution came full circle. At one time the poor were denied a
vote at all and when they were granted a franchise they took their retribution and there
are more poor than middle class.
The country went from a privileged class the the masses unprepared for the aspects
of a true democracy and this is the result. If one is going to blame socialism and much
of the blame is valid one has to consider the economic colonialism that was imposed on
them by the United States decades before its a two way street but I do agree the place
is now a basket case



So if that's the case, why was Venezuela doing ok BEFORE Chavez came to power?
 

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So if that's the case, why was Venezuela doing ok BEFORE Chavez came to power?
It is usually about this point I ask for something more than just your opinion. It won't be hard to find, anything published about the place that is from a NATO friendly nation will say the same thing. Pick any so I have something that shows me what part you are referencing specifically.
I already know my reply would have to include some things that you will not include such as who the leaders are friendly to. 1950 should be as far back as this aspect of the 'same old, same old'. The place is run like the Mafia owns it, the one that gets their money from the World Bank rather than Italy. They still own a few islands just off the coast of the country under discussion. Not part of the picture unless it is a base of operations with sees foreign players trying to run the enemy into the ground.

No military, thanks to the past, but lots of advisers from the IMF. They are an important enough player I could just refer to them as the financial arm of the World Bank and business is boom or bust at their desecration. 1972 in North America was an artificial shortage, 'the elite' never stopped turning any of their wheels, the public were biking or walking. Perhaps there was a surplus of bikes and the shortage was created to make a market for them and to create a part pf society would bike at almost any cost.


Back to the country in question. Before the IMF got interested in the oil they had gone through Central America and gobbled up all the land for the United Fruit Growers and further south the coke was a nice addition to the global drug industry that was already in place, legally through 'big pharma' or illegally through the 'Black Market'.
The contracts introduced by the IMF were priced at bring a 3rd world country (1950) into being what Kuwait was thanks to the oil in the ground and signing on the dotted line. Reality is 15% of the contract was fulfilled and just 'the elite' saw those changes, such as power and telephone and running water. The Military was trained to protect the interests of the 15% from any action started thy the 85% of the people whose lives had not only not improved (as promised) but had gotten worse as the money spent on them should have been exported along with the oil to the only people who mattered, the owners of the IMF.
The trend is not unique, it is a standard move for the IMF and a revolt usually happen about 25 years later. I'll let you ponder on why the core people are university students who are the only people in the country to know anything about what goes on outside of their immediate community. They moved to 4th world conditions rather than 2nd world by people who turned out to be liars and thieves, you kind of people, Right?


In the list Canada should be first as we are supposed to be 'civilized' rather than 15% controls our collective thoughts and deeds both outside and inside of the country. Our past with the ICC needs some clarity as we have a history with them and they seem to be out of cases to try. Pete has a boner on for Peru while I would be more inclined to take it up with the one in the UN where the judges are from all member states rather than one that might have some ties to the defendants, the IMF and her cronies.
Before that I have to look in the troll thread to see if any trolls were caught trolling it, TiTTs for short..
 

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Totally owned, any questions. Canada is owned so are the other nations in the list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Peru

History

Some conversos arrived at the time of the Spanish Conquest in Peru. Only Christians were allowed to take part in expeditions to the New World. At first, they had lived without restrictions because the Inquisition was not active in Peru at the beginning of the Viceroyalty. Then, with the advent of the Inquisition, New Christians began to be persecuted, and, in some cases, executed. In this period, these people were sometimes called "marranos" ("pigs"), converts ("conversos"), and "cristianos nuevos" (New Christians) even if they had been reared as Catholics from birth.
To escape persecution, these colonial Sephardic Jewish conversos settled mainly in the northern highlands and northern high jungle. They intermarried with natives and non-Jewish Europeans (mainly Spanish and Portuguese people) in some areas, assimilating to the local people: in Cajamarca, the northern highlands of Piura (Ayabaca and Huancabamba), among others, due to cultural and ethnic contact with people of the southern highlands of Ecuador. Their mixed-race descendants were reared with syncretic Catholic, Jewish, European and Andean rituals and beliefs.
In the first decades of the 19th century, numerous Sephardic Jews from Morocco emigrated to Peru as traders and trappers, working with the natives of the interior. By the end of the century, the rubber boom in the Amazon Basin attracted much greater numbers of Sephardic Jews from North Africa, as well as Europeans. Many settled in Iquitos, which was the Peruvian center for the export of rubber along the Amazon River. They created the second organized Jewish community in Peru after Lima, founding a Jewish cemetery and synagogue. After the boom fizzled due to competition from Southeast Asia, many Europeans and North Africans left Iquitos. Those who remained over generations had married native women; their mixed-race or mestizo descendants grew up in the local culture, a mixture of Jewish and Amazonian influences and faiths.
In modern times, before and after the Second World War, some Ashkenazic Jews, chiefly from Western and Eastern Slavic areas and from Hungary, migrated to Peru, chiefly to the capital Lima. The Ashkenazis ignored the Peruvian Jews of the Amazon, excluding them from consideration as fellow Jews under Orthodox law because their maternal lines were not Jewish.
In the late 20th century, some descendants in Iquitos began to study Judaism, eventually making formal conversions in 2002 and 2004 with the aid of a sympathetic American rabbi from Brooklyn, New York. A few hundred were given permission to make aliyah to Israel. In 2014, nearly 150 more emigrated to Israel.
Today

Today, there are about 3,000 Jews in Peru,[2] with only two organized communities: Lima and Iquitos.[3] They have made strong contributions to the economics and politics of Peru; the majority in Lima (and the country) are Ashkenazi Jews.
Some have held notable posts:

 

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US-Led Economic War, Not Socialism, Is Tearing Venezuela Apart
Americans have been trained by decades of Cold War propaganda to look for any confirmation that ‘socialism means poverty.’ But in the case of Venezuela and other states not governed by the free market, this cliche simply doesn’t ring true.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-led-economic-war-not-socialism-tearing-venezuela-apart/218335/
Gee, just like Chile too under Allende I suppose, eh?
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So I guess socialism killed Libya and Iraq too you are saying?

Hmmmm.
 

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https://www.newhistorian.com/the-usa-and-latin-america-a-history-of-meddling/3476/
I wouldn't bet the farm that it hasn't continued under Trump.


https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/us-interventions-in-latin-american-021/
Meddling in the internal affairs of South and Central America has been going of since the Spanish/American war.


https://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804


Was it socialism or the CIA that is to blame for the present state of Venezuela? I believe the answer is obvious to anybody who is not stuck in the Matrix.
 

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Are you actually going to answer DC's question? Or just rant about Jooos? It was a valid question
Do you have a note from her that makes you her keeper with authority to challenge the way my reply to her is going. I said it would be long and start at about 1950.

I figured the Jewish version of the place would be universally accepted here as being accurate and you have to make it an anti-semetic issue rather than a short history of their involvement in the area. You can understand why I would see you just as another retarded troll Right?
 

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https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/socialism-blame-venezuelas-crisis-180530095418091.html
Is socialism to blame for Venezuela's never-ending crisis?

Though '21st-century socialism' is implicated in Venezuela's collapse, so too are many characteristics of capitalism.
Venezuela's recent presidential election has done nothing to end the country's profound political, economic, and social crisis.
Inflation is spiralling out of control, oil production is plummeting, foreign assets have been seized, there are serious shortages of food and medicine, tens of thousands are fleeing the country, and the incumbent government of Nicolas Maduro has increasingly weakened the country's democratic instruments to cling to power.
The natural question in a country that boasts the world's largest proven oil reserves is, how did it come to this? Many have latched on to a simple answer: socialism. But is it really that simple?
Oil prices and policies

The underlying causes of Venezuela's hydra-headed crisis are economic, relating especially to oil and the foreign currency that it brings into the country.
The proximate cause of the recent turmoil is undoubtedly the 70-percent drop in oil prices in 2014, but the same problems that got exacerbated at that point were already in evidence five years earlier. And then, as now, they were fostered by poor policy choices.
Grave shortages are due largely to weak local production combined with a lack of foreign currency for imports, both of which relate to mismanagement of the local currency (the bolivar).
Essentially, in an attempt to prevent capital flight and currency collapse while also protecting local producers and enforcing labour law, Maduro's predecessor Hugo Chavez introduced controls on access to foreign currency. Subsidies and price controls were also implemented for many food items in order to keep them affordable to the poor, and an extremely generous subsidy on gasoline was maintained.
 

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Oh, MHz - I would have preferred a more concise answer - couldn't be bothered to read your "rant". So thanks anyway for (not) responding to my question.


Just sayin'.....