The UN Climate debate in Poland

Hoid

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And only 1 works meaning hundreds of failures.

All of them work, meaning you don't have the scientific background to understand what you are talking about.

You're one of these typical uneducated deplorables who believe what you believe based on your feelings.
 

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Re: The UN Climate debate in Polanu

All of them work, meaning you don't have the scientific background to understand what you are talking about.
You're one of these typical uneducated deplorables who believe what you believe based on your feelings.
As opposed to the jr high student that believes whatever his teachers tell him because he is too stupid to question them.
 

spilledthebeer

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All of them work, meaning you don't have the scientific background to understand what you are talking about.

You're one of these typical uneducated deplorables who believe what you believe based on your feelings.


OH HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You really are FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You accuse somebody of acting on their feelings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


While YOU act only on your LIE-beral LUST FOR riding on the govt GRAVY Train!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What a true Hog you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Here is an article illustrating the loathsome self serving nature of LIE-beral propaganda! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Climate change could trigger next global recession, 415 investment funds warn

By Katie Dangerfield. National Online Journalist, Global News

Published December 16, 2018

ABOVE: Report issues dire warning about impact of climate change on economy.

Global investment funds overseeing US$32 trillion in assets gave a stark warning to governments Monday: cut carbon emissions and phase out coal mines or face a financial crisis several times worse than the 2008 market crash.

(That`s ODD! I would have said the biggest economic threat facing Ontari-owe is the SIXTEEN BILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT that the Wynne-bag LIE-berals left behind them as they tried and FAILED to BUY enough votes to remain in control at Queens Park! And of course there is also the current series of roughly $20 billion dollar deficit our federal LIE-berals are creating with carefree abandon!)

(I just DO NOT UNDERSTAND- and no LIE-beral has ever explained - how giving our civil service union Hogs a whole series of pay raises that we can only supply TEMPORARILY WITH BORROWED MONEY - can be called an environmental crisis? Unless you want to start discussing HOW LIMITED the LIE-beral environment has become now that there are only seven of them at Queens Park? But the near extinction of Ontari-owe LIE-berals has VIRTUALLY NO PUBLIC concern attached to it compared to the loss of Burrowing Owls for instance!)

On Monday, 415 institutional investors from across the world (including several from Canada) released a statement demanding urgent action on the Paris Agreement as policymakers meet for the second week at the UN climate summit in Poland.

Climate change will cost the U.S. economy billions, report contradicting Trump says.

(Yes- and how much of that “URGENCY is a DESPERATE LIE-beral HOPE that nobody asks if Trump MIGHT BE RIGHT about how poorly California is doing at limiting wild fires? LIE-berals would much rather we fussed over Trump and Russia than have us sweat over California govt activities- or the lack there of!)

“The reality is that the long-term nature of the challenge has, in our view, met a zombie-like response by many,” said Chris Newton of IFM Investors.

“This is a recipe for disaster as the impacts of climate change can be sudden, severe and catastrophic.”

(Yes! This recipe for catastrophe MIGHT just drive the public to point make choices about dividing fossil fuel use into either useful or frivolous categories! Cdns see that heating our homes and getting to work is far more important than allowing Hogs to fly off to Florida for golf! And would an ordinary person even be able to get to work on our ALREADY over loaded and worn out public transit if cars were banned?)

(And WHY is it easier for LIE-berals to consider banning cars that we use to get to our work- than it is for them to consider banning the sea-doos and atv`s that LIE-berals so often play on at their weekend recreation homes?)

(Is that LIE-beral sense of “urgency” being driven MAINLY by a terrible fear that THEY will lose perks and privileges that have long set them above ordinary citizens?)

The investment managers said they have a responsibility to “manage and protect the assets of millions of savers and individuals worldwide, including from the effects of climate change,” citing their concern with the lack of implementation of the Paris Agreement, which world leaders are currently trying to finalize at the summit.

(Yes- and WE ALL KNOW just who those investors are! OSSTF-our Ontari-owe high school teachers have the biggest private pension fund in all of North America! And OMERS- the Ontari-owe municipal employees have a pension fund in the top five in North America! And our Quebec municipal employees have a pension fund in the North American top ten!)

(Get a good look at the BEST PENSIONS being offered in all of North America and civil service union Hogs DOMINATE! With pension funds for hospitals and colleges and universities right up there- along with Metrolinx and ORNGE and other Crown Corporations that are NOMINALLY independent of govt- but they get ALL their funding from tax payers one way or another!)

(The outgoing chairman of OSSTF came on TVO/The Agenda and told host Steve Paikin that in the 5 years running up to the interview OSSTF had accumulated yearly deficits totaling over FIFTEEN BILLION DOLLARS!)

(Some simple math adding up known existing deficits and adding in projected future deficits for a 5 year period into the future reveals that Wynne-bag LIE-berals were holding an OSSTF IOU WORTH FIFTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS! That WE COULD NOT PAY!)

(LORD KNOWS- Wynne-bag TRIED TO PAY OSSTF and nearly BROKE the economy of Ontari-owe in the process! And there are EIGHTEEN MORE civil service HOG unions right behind OSSTF- each holding their own GROSS Wynne-bag LIE-beral IOUs!)

(Wynne-bag LIE-berals absolutely used their mouldy green electricity and carbon crap and trade scams to price gouge us relentlessly in a frantic effort to pay off their Hog allies and buy enough votes to retain control at Queens Park! So why then would not other LIE-berals use the SAME LAME ASS environmental excuse to try to save THEIR perks and privileges and solid gold pensions at OUR EXPENSE? This is why Our idiot Boy Justin is so welded to his carbon tax scam!)
Failure to act and lower carbon emissions could lead to permanent economic damage three or four times the scale of the impact of the 2008 financial crisis, British investment firm Schroders said, adding that it could cost $23 trillion of global economic losses a year in the long term without rapid action.

(“Permanent financial damage”? GOSH! There is a load of LIE-beral hysteria without any honest facts behind it!)

“The global shift to clean energy is underway, but much more needs to be done by governments to accelerate the low carbon transition and to improve the resilience of our economy, society and the financial system to climate risks,” the statement said.

(All this talk of green energy is just MORE LAME ASS LIE-beral excuses! For instance China would like to burn more natural gas and less coal- if only somebody would sell them natural gas! And Cdn LIE-berals will not do so- they would rather the gas stay in the ground than pump it off to ships that could carry it to China- which leaves Chinese ships hauling coal from Australia instead!)

(Or we could look at the Ontari-owe mouldy green power MESS that actually made the air WORSE! First there was all the economic activity needed to produce concrete for massive wind tower foundations; then all the steel that was forged to create the towers; then all the exotic chemicals needed to make the light but strong blades; then all the aluminum needed for many miles of electrical wiring to connect the towers to the grid; and of course MORE concrete and steel needed for the transmission towers!)

(And when all mouldy green equipment is set up and ready- THEN LIE-berals had to go and build a series of natural gas fueled electrical generators and keep them fully manned and powered up all day every day- ready at a moments notice to tke over from the mouldy green energy that is so UNRELIABLE that LIE-berals had to build TWO COMPLETE power systems- a reliable natural gas fueled one and a MOULDY GREEN ONE!)

(And NO LIE-beral EVER ASKED: “would it not be cheaper and just as environmentally sound just to use the natural gas plants - that ARE up and running anyway- and forget the mouldy green- that we are PAYING UP TO NINE HUNDRED PERCENT MORE FOR THAN OTHER FORMS OF GENERATION?)

(The LIE-beral environmental position has become SO INSANE that they are ROUTINELY DUMPING water that could be used to produce the CLEANEST power of all- from falling water in hydro dams! But LIE-berals preferred their COSTLY and mouldy green - FOR THE GRAVY!)

(And so Ontari-owe LIE-berals are in the dog house and in disgrace because of their failure to ask a simple question: “would it not be cheaper just to go with the natural gas plants and forget the green mess-“? AND stop wasting water that could be used to make the cheapest and cleanest electricity of all?)

(Water powered machinery is the easiest to shut off and so LIE-berals dumped the water power in favour of their costly mouldy green mess! And in the process LIE-berals have DESTROYED their credibility regarding environmental matters! )
 

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Re: The UN Climate debate in Polanu

As opposed to the jr high student that believes whatever his teachers tell him because he is too stupid to question them.
its not just teachers, its every scientist on earth.
 

petros

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All of them work, meaning you don't have the scientific background to understand what you are talking about.
You're one of these typical uneducated deplorables who believe what you believe based on your feelings.
What's your scientific background? I can cough up a couple sheepskins, can you?

Have you taken the time time to review all 17? Are they consistent with each other? Are forcing factors such as albedo changing at the rates predicted? Can they replicate the past or just the future? What do models outside of the IPCC 17 conclude?

Anytime you are ready to buck up and put your money where you mouth is I'm willing to take the challenge.

I'll gladly make wagers and gladly take your money.

Are you willing to wager whether models are accurate or failing?

Do you have the balls?
 

DaSleeper

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Time to post this again......
The most highly cited paper supposedly found 97 per cent of published scientific studies support man-made global warming. But in addition to poor survey methodology, that tabulation is often misrepresented. Most papers (66 per cent) actually took no position. Of the remaining 34 per cent, 33 per cent supported at least a weak human contribution to global warming. So divide 33 by 34 and you get 97 per cent, but this is unremarkable since the 33 per cent includes many papers that critique key elements of the IPCC position.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/art...-cent-consensus-among-climate-scientists-many


Where did you get your degree Waldo? Macchu Picchu?
Plus you probably never read any of those paper because you wouldn't understand them...
You are just repeating what the bobbing heads say and call anyone who disagrees a white Natty!
Ad Nauseum!
 
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spilledthebeer

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What's your scientific background? I can cough up a couple sheepskins, can you?

Have you taken the time time to review all 17? Are they consistent with each other? Are forcing factors such as albedo changing at the rates predicted? Can they replicate the past or just the future? What do models outside of the IPCC 17 conclude?

Anytime you are ready to buck up and put your money where you mouth is I'm willing to take the challenge.

I'll gladly make wagers and gladly take your money.

Are you willing to wager whether models are accurate or failing?

Do you have the balls?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LOTS of people have "sheepskins"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sadly, such educational credentials MEAN LITTLE in our modern socialist and quite bankrupt northern socialist

"paradise"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Just look at former Toronto mayor and life long socialist Jackass David Miller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Miller was a Rhodes scholar and graduate of the London School of Economics and he used his education to convince gullible



residents of HOGTOWN that driving our largest city- in our FORMERLY MOST WEALTHY province - into bankruptcy was a good



idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TORONTO/HOGTOWN is now so bankrupt that it cannot even expand light rail public transit much less build so much as a single mile of new subway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Hoid

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As you know I don't argue about climate change or immigration with the white natty climate change deniers.

I did that in the 90s

The debate is over.
 

Dixie Cup

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Me thinks they are demanding action on the Paris Agreement because they're not making money fast enough. Has nothing to do whatsoever with climate (which btw is and always has) changed. Sigh....greed knows no bounds!!


JMHO
 

Ron in Regina

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As you know I don't argue about climate change or immigration with the white natty climate change deniers.

I did that in the 90s

The debate is over.
That's how religion works....but not science. The works of Einstein or Hawking or any other are not sacrosanct but are constantly questioned and debated because that's how science works. "The debate is over" is a frightening term when applied to science. "The debate is over" is a sales pitch for the lazy and weak minded (I'm not saying you're either) and doesn't fit into a scientific debate.

If this didn't work this way, we'd all still be living on a 6,000 year old Flat Earth, and we'd know that if we sailed too far in any direction we'd fall off the edge if we weren't eaten by a sea monster first.
 

MHz

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Me thinks they are demanding action on the Paris Agreement because they're not making money fast enough. Has nothing to do whatsoever with climate (which btw is and always has) changed. Sigh....greed knows no bounds!!


JMHO
Maybe somebody over-ordered the goddamn vests and this is how they are making money.
Did you hear a soldier passed out when the French leader was doing 'an inspection'. Welcome to the Congo will be his permanent post from now on.
 

spilledthebeer

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As you know I don't argue about climate change or immigration with the white natty climate change deniers.

I did that in the 90s

The debate is over.


The debate is OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But HOID STILL DENIES HE LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Here is an article selling a LIE-beral point of view that is not accepted by the general public! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Why walkable cities are good for the economy, according to a city planner
People spend more money when cities are less vehicle-oriented.

By Aditi Shrikantaditi.shrikant@voxmedia.com Updated Oct 26, 2018, 2:18pm EDT

You’ve probably seen the term “walkability” thrown around in relation to cities, neighborhoods, and even apartments. A city’s walkability, per Walk Score, is determined by analyzing how many errands can be done without a car, and cities with the highest scores (like Boston, New York, and San Francisco) often come with an incredibly steep cost of living.

(Yes- cramming people into a small space to suit city planners means building multiple very tall and quite costly structures to house people! A house in a suburb can be built using non union labour- but a 40 story condo tower usually has an army of union workers building it! Along with a mass of heavy equipment including huge cranes to hoist everything into place! And the condo tower has a MUCH LARGER carbon foot print as well due to all the concrete and steel needed to support those miltiple floors! )

On Walk Score’s one to 100 scale that evaluates cities with a population of 200,000 or more, New York City is the most walkable city in the country with a score of 89, and Fayetteville, North Carolina, is the least walkable with a score of 29. The average walk score of all American cities with a population of over 200,000 is 49.

Walkability is treated as a static part of a city; your city is either walkable or not. You either need a car or you don’t. But a city’s walkability is dynamic and can be improved with people-oriented city planning, which will benefit the local economy and make societies more equitable. Walkability is great for the economy.

(NO! Walkability is ONLY GREAT for LIE-berals trying to save gravy for themselves! Knocking down an old 4 story building and putting up a 40 story building means LIE-berals SAVE ON GRAVY!!!!!)

(The new building can be served by the same number of cops and firemen as before. No need for another new ambulance either! No need for new roads nor for new snow plows either!)

(Having such a jump in population- since the 40 story building holds so many more people- makes for problems at the hospital- but the sick people parked on stretchers in hallways and storage closets usually do not have the ability to do anything about the situation- like leave in disgust at their treatment!)

American city planner Jeff Speck has been advocating for walkability for the past 25 years, and in his new book, Walkability City Rules: 101 Steps to Making Better Places, he carefully outlines how to “sell” walkability and then implement it.

(I live in a house and its located in a place where I can get to several grocery stores and a couple of auto parts stores and a couple of public library branches on my bicycle in 10-20 minutes- if the weather is good! If it is pouring rain or snowing or we are in a HEAT WAVE or if I have bulk items to haul- then I WILL DRIVE!)

(No amount of LIE-beral feel good propaganda- and DELIBERATE LIES- can convince me I would be better off selling my house and my vehicle and moving into a condo tower! LIE-beral city planners have been working for decades to compel us to squash into little boxes- to SAVE THEM gravy on municipal service costs!)

(Nor do LIE-berals consider the sort of burdens that FORCING people to walk everywhere will put on the old and the physically challenged! Nor do LIE-berals want to discuss what happens to the elderly who are MAROONED in their box in the sky- when the elevator service FAILS - as it has done at various Toronto buildings!)

The idea is marketed based on a few big benefits, according to Speck’s book, one of them being economics. Cities with high walk scores also have high property values. According to a 2009 study, each additional walk score point resulted in home values increasing between $500 and $3,000.

(And there is the measurement that home buyers use to decide where they will live- its all a question of personal convenience and personal choice and preference! These personal choices DO NOT fit into a city planner filing system!)

(As example- I once had a job in down town Toronto- and some might have suspected I would either take public transit from my suburban home- or drive downtown and pay the huge parking rates- and they would be WRONG! I DROVE to the nearest handy residential area downtown and parked on the street for free- and completed the last couple of miles to the job site by BICYCLE!)

(And there is the whole problem for transit planners- they CANNOT fully predict how we will react to THEIR selfish needs and choices! The time frame required that I either drive into the city- or at least drive to the nearest transit area- so I must drive anyway- and the trains ran on a schedule that mandated long wait times between trains- meaning standing in summer heat or winter cold for extended periods! So driving most of the route and bicycling the last distance was the choice- based on my preference and cost!)

(Once upon a time I lived in a low rise apartment in the Young St/Eglinton Ave area and grocery shopping options were ROTTEN! There was only ONE large grocery market in the area and it was NOT a walkable distance from me!)

(I could of course have done much shopping at “convenience stores” that I could walk to- but would have suffered from both reduced food options and much higher prices for that “convenience”! Another option would have been to buy a large freezer and stff it into my small apartment- then I would not have needed to restock so often! But of course LIE-berals are trying to FORCE us to reduce electricity use as well so the freezer deal would be a COSTLY SOLUTION!)

(Trying to FORCE “walkability” on people is nothing more than LIE-beral ARROGANCE AND GREED publicly exposed!)

Investing in walkable cities, whether through allocating funds to repaint pedestrian walkways or building affordable housing close to downtowns, also attracts diverse populations and creates jobs. According to the Chicago Metropolitan Agency for Planning, 63 percent of millennials and 42 percent of boomers would like to live in a place where they don’t need a car. And according to the National Association of Realtors, 62 percent of millennials prefer to live in a walkable community where a car is optional. If cities seem less automobile-dependent, chances are they are more appealing to a range of ages.

(LIE-berals DO LOVE their meaningless numbers! Millennials are so broke and so loaded with student debt that they have given up any thought of EVER owning a car and are now focused only on getting out of debt- and maybe some day owning a crappy little condo some place!)

(As for baby boomers- lets talk about how many of them are on fixed incomes now they have “taken the buyout” -meaning been FORCIBLY retired by a company that is leaving Canada for some place with lower taxes and reduced electricity costs! And now they are scraping along on a fixed income while their costs for everything SOAR!)

(As our govt has grudgingly admitted- there are a lot of Boomers out there who face ugly choices such as either buying food or buying their needed prescription medicines- but they don’t have the money for both- so how to resolve that dilemma! No wonder there are retired people on fixed incomes who don’t want the burden of owning a car!)

(When my father retired - he handed back the company car and WALKED most places that he wanted to go - for the benefit of the exercise! But- just like me- when it was very cold or pouring rain- or he had bulk items to haul - HE DROVE where he needed to go- as his wife had a car he could use as needed!)

(But LIE-berals despise us for WANTING this driving option as it is messing up their city planning and cutting into their gravy supplies as they are compelled to spend more on roads and other infrastructure costs! )

Walking also costs the city very little, unlike cars and even public transit. According to Speck’s book, if a resident takes a bus ride, it may cost them $1 but costs the city $1.50 in bus operation. If a resident decides to drive, it costs the city $9.20 in services like policing and ambulances. When a resident walks, the cost to the city is a penny.

(And is it not remarkable how BADLY LIE-berals do their accounting? What of the massive array of taxes LIE-berals collect for everything from vehicle licence plates to gasoline taxes and income tax paid by auto mechanics?)

(Gravy grabbing LIE-berals are so DESPERATE to find some new vision to offer us that will also protect their supply of gravy AND distract us from their costly vote buying that they are babbling delusional nonsense!!)
 

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TRUMP IS A big wicked Zionist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So the Muslim member of the tinfoil hat brigade now insists that global warming is caused by Jews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tinfoil Muslim is indeed utterly insane. His anti semitism is so manic as to guarantee him eternity in Hell.
 

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HeLL? You believe in that childish boogieman shit?
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Doood, there is a difference between knowing and believing.

I think the US would be much better off if they banned all the neocon dual passport holders from their government and stopped all the illegal foreign aid welfare to non NNP treaty holders that have nukes....so would everyone else.
 

spilledthebeer

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Re: The UN Climate debate in Polanu

its not just teachers, its every scientist on earth.


Oh yes.............Hoid tells us: "its not just teachers, its every scientist on earth"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



By which Hoid means every person who is PAID to support the LIE-berals climate narrative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As we have all seen- the LIE-beral climate initiatives will do a MUCH BETTER JOB of saving civil service union Hog seats on the gravy train than it will benefit the environment in any way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The LIE-beral carbon crap and trade scam will ONLY clean cash from wallets and leave the dirt in the air!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Fifteen years of European crap and trade garbage CONFIRMS my statement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!








Is it not a sad thing that LIE-berals have solemnly assured us their carbon cap and trade garbage will be good for the environment and WON’T kill off our economy....and NOBODY believes a word of it!

I have some comments to make about federal Climate change initiatives and my comments appear in brackets beside quotes from our federal minister of carbon bullshit. And I am amazed how delusional LIE-berals are-and how much crap they expect US to swallow when it comes to climate issues? I am amazed that otherwise intelligent people will not laugh crap like this out of parliament! We are told this):

Federal Climate Change Minister Catherine McKenna has revealed the Liberal government’s targets for reducing Canada’s greenhouse gas emissions.

In saying that the Stephen Harper government’s targets are the “floor”, or minimum of what the Liberals will achieve, we now know the Liberal target is to reduce Canada’s emissions to at least 30% below 2005 levels by 2030.

From there, it’s easy to do the math.

Canada’s emissions in 2005 were 749 megatonnes and a megatonne, or Mt, is 1 million tonnes of industrial greenhouse gases.

A 30% reduction from 2005 would reduce our annual emissions to 524 Mt by 2030.

Given that Canada's current emissions are about 726 Mt annually, this means the Liberals want to reduce them, at a minimum, by 202 Mt annually by 2030.

(Yes-LIE-berals seriously PRETEND that they can shut down 30 percent of the Cdn economy in a few years without serious repercussions!)

To achieve this, the Liberals will have to shut down the equivalent of Canada’s entire oil and gas industry, which produces 179 Mt of emissions annually, within 15 years, plus find another 23 Mt of annual reductions in areas such as transportation, electricity and agriculture.

Given current emissions of 726 Mt annually, this means the Liberals intend to reduce our emissions, at a minimum, by 104 Mt annually by 2020.

So-104 MT gone by 2020 and another 100 MT in reductions between 2020 and 2030 to give the approximate 202 MT total.

To achieve this, the Liberals will have to shut down the equivalent of 58% of Canada’s oil and gas sector within five years-with the rest killed off in the next 10 years.

(LIE-berals have been spouting environmental garbage for years. Jean Chretien started the environmental manure spreader working with his Kyoto blather.)

Chretien pledged to reduce Canada’s emissions to an average of 6% below 1990 levels from 2008 to 2012, under the Kyoto accord.

That meant the Liberal target was an annual average of 576 Mt of emissions in the five years between 2008 and 2012.

When the Liberals lost power in 2006, Canada’s annual emissions were 740 Mt, or 164 Mt over Chretien’s Kyoto pledge.

(So much for LIE-beral plans-our carbon foot print ACTUALLY INCREASED by roughly the amount LIE-berals hoped to shrink it!)

To meet the Liberal target coming into office, Harper would have had to shut down the equivalent of almost all of Canada’s transportation sector (170 Mt) within two years, because the reductions required to achieve Chretien’s target of an average 6% reduction between 2008 and 2012 would have increased every year until 2012.

(Given current energy technology, the only way Trudeau could achieve the Liberal target would be to waste billions of taxpayer dollars buying fraud-ridden international carbon credits.)

(And its this international carbon credit scam that LIE-berals REALLY want to introduce-it’s a way of beating money out of the hides of Cdns and creating a HUGE LIE-beral slush fund and making tax ROBBERY LOOK virtuous because its for the environment-so they will say! Much of the cash raised will be sent overseas as foreign aid to messed up dictators in third world countries courtesy of our hard core socialist prime minster Justin Trudope who has inherited his fathers hatred for western democracy. Our PET-Pierre has been exposed as a hardcore communist who wanted to build a socialist utopia in Canada and his sons have inherited this mad dream.)

(One has only to read the `love letter to Castro` written by Sasha Trudeau-printed with serious intent in the Toronto (RED) Star newspaper and mocked in the National Post-or listen to our brainless prime minster babbling about finding the roots of terror and `engaging` with Isis to realize the Trudope world view is utterly delusional. The Trudeaus have an ultimate vision for a future Canada that makes Tyler Durgan and his Fight Club look mild by comparison!)

( This carbon crap/foreign aid/tax scam will not clean the air because LIE-berals will ensure that their pals-the most wealthy Cdns of the civil service will continue pumping out their jumbo carbon footprint while the rest of us struggle to manage our lives under the carbon credit tax burden. LIE-berals MUST BUY the votes of civil service or be swept out of office so there will be NO changes to civil service Hog lifestyle or of their ample carbon foot prints!)

(The carbon credit foreign aid will not end air pollution, it will simply move it around and allow people in other countries to take up the slack-LIE-beral carbon crap will cripple our industries and our economy with massive costs and transfer money to other people so THEY CAN drive cars and run dirty industries in our place.)

(Canadian Geographic magazine and some other media outlets give us the REAL CLUE how to clear the air-we have only to balance our govt books! Scientist were quoted in Cdn Geographic and other media outlets as saying “that in the 9 months after the 9/11 terror attack in New York-during which time 25 percent of the worlds airline fleet was grounded-there WAS MEASURABLE IMPROVEMENT in World air quality. Airplanes are the dirtiest form of transportation-WAY more FILTHY that ALL other forms of transportation combined!)

(Our environment is certainly at risk and we MUST make hard choices about what we can afford and what we really NEED! Goofing off in an airplane on holiday is NOT a NEED-especially since about a third of all Cdns cannot afford time off for any sort of holiday at all! Its mainly our WELL PAID civil service and their allies who are flying about-after all, they are paid ONE THIRD MORE for the same work as the rest of us-WITHOUT factoring in those solid gold pensions they get-the ones that are plunging into bankruptcy anyway as govt cannot shovel cash into them fast enough to cover all the entitlements-these pension plans are what most of this carbon crap and trade tax rip off will be used to prop up! This carbon crap is about foreign aid for Trudeau and about civil service pension aid to BUY LIE-beral votes-it is not and NEVER WAS about the environment.)

(Cutting back on Hog gravy will clear the air! They will be forced to do as we do-drive smaller cars, buy smaller houses, get their fat asses off costly/dirty airplanes, be more thoughtful about how often they run gas guzzling toys....and the environment WILL thank us!)

(Cut back on Hog gravy and they will stop doing insane things like running electric bubble systems to prevent the ice from forming around their docks in Muskoka-we wouldn’t want the winter ice to damage all that costly cedar would we? No matter what it does to the environment to run electric motors all winter-Hog docks are MORE IMPORTANT than clean air!)

(Cut back on gravy and they wont be running a huge motor boat up and down the Severn River so their teenagers can SURF on the huge waves! Cut back on frivolous gas guzzling toys and the world gets cleaner-and WE GET TO KEEP OUR JOBS and our HOMES!)