The UN Climate debate in Poland

Dixie Cup

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Is it true that Climate Barbie took 126 delegates with her?



Yes it is. It's disgusting and hypocritical. This so-called "conference" could be held by teleconferencing but that would be too easy cuz everyone prefers to travel to exotic locations every year on someone else's dime.
 

spilledthebeer

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This indicates your mind is traditionalist; i.e. you let others think for you; what if hundreds of scientists? Can't they be unaware of the real cause? If they know everything, they cannot be researchers .. they research for what then?


IMBECILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The scientists are PAID to find certain answers that LIE-berals can then PRETEND to solve using idiot NON SOLUTIONS like their



carbon crap and trade scam that only cleans cash from wallets and leaves the dirt in the air!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One good source of how DISHONEST the whole LIE-beral environment "solution" is can be found in the modestly ficitonalized accusations made by writer Michael Crichton in his book "State of Fear"!


Some people will sneer at a reference that is fictionalized- but in our litiginous world one must be careful of lawsuits by indignant LIE-berals who are distressed at being portrayed as HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Crichton goes so far as to suggest that some climate "defenders" are out right dangerous to argue with!!!!!!!!!!!!



And of course given human nature and the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN GRAVY that can be grabbed with a LIE-beral



carbon tax -it is no wonder that LIE-beral GREED is overwhelming common sense and fair play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

petros

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When 200 nations come to an agreement it means something
Out of all 200 Nations there are 17 State sponsored climate models.

Out of the 17 only 1 is matching the trend and it's the Russian model.

Do you trust Russian Klimate Scientiskis?
 

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I disagree with most words of Trump; but he said a word concerning the Global Warming which might be correct; he said: The Global Warming is true, but there may be other causes of it!

Although his motives are not humane or scientific .. he is a falsehood follower and unjust .. a big wicked Zionist

The dissension between Trump on one hand and Europe and China on the other hand .. is only economic and advantageous .. he does acknowledge science or humanity in fact.. his advantage first or as he claimed America first.
One thing Trudeau is NOT is a Zionist but of course to you even trees and rocks cwn be Zionists to your sick mind.

Life must be Hell for a fruitcake like you.
 

spilledthebeer

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How many billions of transfer payments will it take to put earth right back where it belongs?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Right On!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The ENTIRE global warming MESS can be solved if we just give grossly GREEDY LIE-berals all the gravy they want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


All power to the gravy grabbers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-beral gravy grabbing will cure obesity in Canada as well since LIE-berals will wreck our economy so completely we will be



living on a daily bowl of dandelion greens - once LIE-berals get finished "fixing" our Booming Economy!!!!!!!!!!!



In his book "State of Fear" - author Michael Crichton actually quotes genuine scientists pointing out that weather stations that were out



in the COOLER countryside 30 years ago are now inside URBAN AREAS and their readings are now giving essentially FALSE



READINGS due to the influence of city urban heat islands thanks to all that new concrete that has been poured!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There is a valid question in this- "is the temperature rising across the entire planet"?????????????????????


Or is the temperature rising ONLY in and around our cities where researchers are concentrated?????????????????


Crichton provides VALID information to suggest that temperatures are rising most noticeably close to our cities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


While temperatures are more stable in isolated places!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The HONEST available evidence suggests that although we are changing weather patterns - we are not ultimately changing the entire



weather system- meaning things like -it still rains and snows about as much as ever -it just does it in different places and at different



intensities and this is the result of our urban heat island cities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And as I have mentioned in the past- Cdn Geographic published an article illustrating how easy it would be to RESTORE our environment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Scientists reported that in the year after the 9/11 terror attack- during which time 25 percent of the worlds airline fleet was grounded - THERE WAS A MEASURABLE IMPROVEMENT IN AIR QUALITY AROUND THE PLANET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Air planes are the SINGLE BIGGEST DRIVER of air pollution on the planet- and they are loaded with civil service union Hogs!!!!!!!!!!


And our LIE-beral govt is burying us in debt- BORROWING the gravy they need to buy Hog votes so LIE-berals can cling to power at any price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are burying future generations in debt so that Hogs can fly the world in comfort- AND they are ruining the environment as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The QUICKEST WAY to save our grossly indebted economy, save our environment and save our jobs is to DUMP LIE-beral govt!!!!!


Crichton even makes reference to the glacier at the top of Mount Kilimajaro- which happens to be melting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Crichten quotes reliable scientists who point out that Africans use wood for cooking and as a result- all the lower slopes of Kilimanjaro are DEFORESTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And we know that forests are COOLER than grass lands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Kilimanjaro glacier can MAGICALLY BE RESTORED simply by planting more trees around the mountain base to replace those



lost to charcoal burners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



AS I have said before- LIE-berals are DELIBERATELY IGNORING all the easy solutions to global warming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

petros

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There are thousands of climate models.
Bullshit. The Intergovernmental (Globalist) Professional Communist Comitee uses 17 models.There are hundreds of proxy models and Emperical observed models combined to create the 17.

As for manipulation of data anyone can uncover the cherry picked data set of 2951-1980 for the benchmark.

Add 1930-1950 to the average used as the baseline and 0.5C of alleged AGW magically vanishes.

I beg of you to do the math yourself and expose me as a liar.

If you prove me wrong I'll gladly pay you for a night out with your Mrs by emailing you a $200 Keg gift certificate.

What are you willing to offer me?
 
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Yes it is. It's disgusting and hypocritical. This so-called "conference" could be held by teleconferencing but that would be too easy cuz everyone prefers to travel to exotic locations every year on someone else's dime.
And she dropped her pants bent over and signed Canada up. No mention how we are going to reduce our carbon footprint and raise our population at the same time . Also no real effort to reduce government airline travel by the looks of the 120 delegates . Pigs at the trough.
 

spilledthebeer

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Bullshit. The Intergovernmental (Globalist) Professional Communist Comitee uses 17 models.There are hundreds of proxy models and Emperical observed models combined to create the 17.

As for manipulation of data anyone can uncover the cherry picked data set of 2951-1980 for the benchmark.

Add 1930-1950 to the average used as the baseline and 0.5C of alleged AGW magically vanishes.

I beg of you to do the math yourself and expose me as a liar.

If you prove me wrong I'll gladly pay you for a night out with your Mrs by emailing you a $200 Keg gift certificate.

What are you willing to offer me?








Offer you??????????????????????????????




I dont want anything from you except to be thanked for exposing you as the kind of LIE-beral climate FAKE that Crichton has exposed



in his book State of Fear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Crichton DOCUMENTS how sponsors and grant givers SEEK OUT those most likely to "discover" the kind of facts they WANT FOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As I have stated- and YOU ARE PROVING- LIE-berals DELIBERATELY IGNORE ANY SIMPLE SOLUTION to global warming!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals ALWAYS BEGIN with a logical statement such as: "it would be better for us to burn less fossil fuel"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then they BLOW that statement up INTO HUGE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As the scientific results have shown the quickest way to reduce global warming is to STOP BORROWING GOVT MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!


WE KNOW that civil service union Hogs get paid at least 30 percent MORE than other Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And WE KNOW that those with the most money in pocket have the biggest carbon foot print!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Therefore refusing to BORROW more gravy for Hogs will easily and quickly reduce our use of fossil fuel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We already KNOW that air planes are the biggest fossil fuel hogs on the planet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And we ALREADY KNOW that carbon taxes ONLY clean cash from wallets and leave the dirt in the air!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Therefore my statement stands: LIE-BERALS ARE IGNORING THE QUICKEST AND EASIEST WAYS TO REDUCE GLOBAL WARMING"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And we can easily SEE that LIE-berals are LYING about the effectiveness of their carbon crap and trade scam and their vaunted Paris Accord- which LIE-berals have now decided is COMPLETELY USELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral environmental duplicity is so severe that they scorned PM Harper for refusing to sign onto the grossly flawed Kyoto Accord!!!


And then LIE-beals replaced Kyoto with the Paris Accord -that they now tell us is USELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are tying themselves in KNOTS as they seek to AVOID REAL SOLUTIONS to global warming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are in growing distress as an ever LARGER majority of Cdns come to realize LIE-berals would rather destroy our economy than risk any harm to THEIR glorious gravy train!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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The true cause of the increased heat all over the Earth
The UN climate debate in Poland reached to making a goal to lower the temperature of the planet by 2 degrees.
Therefore, they have been glad with such a solution of the problem as they deem it.
But they don't know that the genuine reason for the generalized elevation of the temperature on the planet is the earth has become somewhat nearer to the sun than it had been before.
While the greenhouse effect may be of minor importance in relation to the real reason which is the distance between Earth and Sun has become somewhat shorter than it was before
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_4.htm#The_Earth_Approaches_the_Sun_
quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_4.htm#The_Earth_Approaches_the_Sun_

I think Poland is anarcho-communism by today fit.
 

petros

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And she dropped her pants bent over and signed Canada up. No mention how we are going to reduce our carbon footprint and raise our population at the same time . Also no real effort to reduce government airline travel by the looks of the 120 delegates . Pigs at the trough.
If we burn immigrants like they were cord wood we'll stay warm and appear welcoming.
 

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"There are hundreds of proxy models and Emperical observed models combined to create the 17"

Exactly.
 

spilledthebeer

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Good idea , we could use them in sweat lodges .




Here is yet another article illustrating just how careless LIE-berals really are about the environment. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Raw sewage overflowing into Ontario waterways at alarming rate: Watchdog

From Canadian Press.

Published: November 13, 2018. Updated: November 13, 2018 10:19 AM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Ontario

Ontario’s environmental watchdog says the province is allowing raw sewage to overflow into lakes and rivers at an alarming rate.

(Of course it is the responsibility of MUNICIPALITIES to ensure sewage does not overflow in such fashion! And any attempt by the province to persuade municipal civil service union Hogs that they should clean up THEIR ACT would start a political WW3!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Environmental Commissioner Dianne Saxe is raising concerns about the issue in her annual report, released Tuesday.

The report says that between April 2017 and March this year, raw sewage overflowed into southern Ontario waterways 1,327 times from nearly 60 outdated municipal sewer systems that combine sewage and stormwater.

(There is of course NOTHING unusual about this as it has been going on for DECADES! And it is the result- in part of those “out dated” sewer systems that were DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY to dump sewage in heavy rains! And of course as our towns and cities grow- and ever more pavement is poured- the amount of run off steadily increases!)

(It is not harsher weather that is overflowing sewage systems- it is careless govt that considers that pay raises for civil service union Hogs are more important than clean water! I know of one residential area that has had 3 floods- meaning basements full of raw sewage in 5 years! But the floods CEASED just as soon as local govt built more rainwater retention ponds so storm water is released more slowly!)

Saxe recommends the province require every municipality with combined sewers to take action to eliminate overflows using measures like additional stormwater fees and building additional infrastructure.

(The City of Toronto has been discussing this separation of storm water and sewage for several decades! It would have cost a billion dollars to implement such a split in services 20 years ago when we were vastly LESS sunk in debt! And Silly Hall chose instead to spend that billion on Ataratiri- this was to be the grand new housing development in what is now called “The Portlands”! Yes- a billion dollars in 1980`s dollars to buy out and expropriate businesses and chase away jobs- only to discover The Portland are to polluted to live on!)

(But now real estate in Toronto is so costly that the original BILLION DOLLAR CLEAN UP cost looks low enough for developers to work with! And yet- why has there been so much trouble with the Sidewalk Group that is involved in developing The Portlands?)

(Should we ask if the Ford govt has begun sniffing into those LIE-beral deals and smells a LIE-beral RAT?)

Saxe says the province’s waterways are also being affected by run-off laden with fertilizer and road salt.

Yes- and is it not RIDICULOUS that The Portlands/Ataratiri is being developed at who knows what real cost to the public- when we might do better to RETURN IT to its ancient status as MARSHLAND? WE all know that marshes have a wonderful capacity to clean water! And how much would local Toronto tourists benefit from having a bird sanctuary in the Point Pelee style right down town on the bus lines?)

(Would Toronto prefer birds in a LOW COST wild life sanctuary that will also enure that less sewage and other contaminants end up their beaches on hot summer days? Or would they prefer another Regents Park MONEY PIT- with govt and developers working together to produce mixed housing - some “affordable” and some geared to market- and the city is holding all the usual cost over runs while the developer is apparently doing nicely according to some news reports!)

(Councilors at Silly Hall think my questions about developer profits and city hall cost over runs versus having a low cost and scenic wild life sanctuary are silly! They think huge cost over runs are a good way to conduct business!)

The report also notes that provincial standards on toxic waste poured into waterways haven’t been updated in 25 years.

(No- Toronto Silly Hall WOULD NOT want to update such standards even if you held their feet in the fire! One MAJOR REASON Silly Hall USED TO GIVE for not dredging the lower Don River in order to prevent flooding on nearby Don Valley Parkway was because there was so much heavy metal in the silt that such dredging would stir it up and result in it entering our drinking water- with harmful consequences!)

(But of course the City is now DESPERATE for more gravy and there will no longer BE ANY PROBLEM dredging down there any longer! Toronto Silly Hall desperately wants the new flow of gravy from Ataratiri/The Portlands!)

(And the sewage problem? LIE-berals DO NOT CARE!!!!!!!!)
 

petros

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"There are hundreds of proxy models and Emperical observed models combined to create the 17"
Exactly.
And only 1 works meaning hundreds of failures.

It's a shame the one that works doesn't get the media attention. It lacks doom and gloom because it uses Atlantic Oscillation and the Bond Cycles which are natural.

The truth of the matter is that pre-1980 warming of 0.5C can't be tied to AGW and is of unknown causation.

Why is it included in the doom and gloom?

0.4C is extremely minor in the grand scheme of things using the gelogical time.
 
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spilledthebeer

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And only 1 works meaning hundreds of failures.

It's a shame the one that works doesn't get the media attention. It lacks doom and gloom because it uses Atlantic Oscillation and the Bond Cycles which are natural.

The truth of the matter is that pre-1980 warming of 0.5C can't be tied to AGW and is of unknown causation.

Why is it included in the doom and gloom?

0.4C is extremely minor in the grand scheme of things using the gelogical time.


POOR STUPID petros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He HOPES DESPERATELY to distract us from the fact that the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade SCAM is doing NOTHING for the environment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-beral environmental "plans" ONLY CLEAN CASH FROM WALLETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Carbon taxes give LIE-berals a grand new slush fund to play with and leaves the dirt in the air!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!








Here is an article illustrating the kind of mis-guided crap that LIE-berals are feeding us about their carbon crap and trade tax. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Carbon tax is about punishing pollution, not people

By Jim Warren. Published: October 27, 2018. Updated: October 27, 2018 2:35 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists.

(Jim Warren is a LIE-beral strategist and campaign advisor and as such his personal bias is very much on display here!)

It’s time to put an end to the heated partisan rhetoric about climate change and carbon taxes.

Both Liberals and Conservatives are to blame. We are debating personalities and politics instead of building a consensus of how we are going to change our lifestyles to save the planet and provide a sustainable planet for our children to live.

(Typical LIE-beral crap! The LIE-beral carbon crap and trade tax scam is nothing but a cash grab that cleans out wallets but leaves the dirt in the air! As for actually fighting pollution - it is LIE-berals who are deliberately avoiding all the easy solutions!)

A carbon tax is a tax on pollution, not people. It is intended to change your behaviour to reduce global warming.

(There is a LIE! I must heat my house and wash with hot water- a carbon tax will not alter such behaviour! But what of the civil service union Hogs who are getting EXTRA GRAVY as a result of that carbon tax?)

(Will the Hogs cut back on their extravagant fossil fuel use? Why would they if govt gives them the gravy they need to make them IMMUNE to carbon tax pressure? Will Hogs limit their use of electrically powered bubble systems that prevent the ice from freezing around their Muskoka Lakes doc- if LIE-berals feed them the gravy to pay for that luxury?)

(Will Hogs limit their airline flights to sunny southern beaches and golf courses as long as LIE-berals keep feeding them the gravy they need to maintain that carbon foot print?)

(Why worry about or limit the amount of fuel you put into your massive floating luxury yacht - just so long as LIE-berals keep feeding you the gravy?)

(Why not take LONG DRIVES to nowhere to take in autumn scenery- if LIE-berals are supplying the gravy?)

(And why not have strawberries trucked in from Guatemala or other fruits hauled in from Chile- in January? Just so long as LIE-berals keep paying the freight with their shipments of gravy!!!!!)

(Warren is LYING about carbon and pollution! It is not pollution that is being punished here- it is ordinary Cdns - that 55 plus percent of the Cdn population that is being PUNISHED HERE- yes- that majority of Cdns who did not vote in the last election and thus allowed Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals to get elected are the targets of LIE-beral tax LOOTING AND PILLAGING!)

Change comes with a cost – and people don’t like change – but the way we live our lives presently is not an option if we want to maintain our standard of living.

(Yes- and LIE-berals don’t like change either which is why they are frantically spouting so much crap as they try and FAIL to defend their carbon crap!)

Neither side of the debate is being truly honest.

Liberals act holier-than-thou.

Liberals talking from European summits and elite forums with celebrity spokespeople fail to connect with Canadians who face everyday changes to feed their kids, never mind change the world.

Liberals have, in the words of the Captain in the movie Cool Hand Luke: “…a failure to communicate.”

Trudeau Liberals have failed to communicate what we need to do and why we need to do it in a way middle class Canadians can rally behind.

(There is another LIE! LIE-berals HAVE COMMUNICATED to us- and have demonstrated truly and clearly that their carbon crap is an ENTIRELY SELFISH act designed ONLY to grab gravy and make sure that LIE-berals can buy enough votes so they can cling to power at any price!!)

Al Gore’s movie was a good start. It’s up to Trudeau and other leaders to explain climate change and the sacrifices we need to make in a way that resonates with Canadians in a positive and sustainable way.

(Al Gore has been disgraced as a monumental hypocrite who lectures others to try to STOP THEM from wanting to live like him! His film is all about LIE-beral ENTITLEMENTS on a grand scale! Just like the pronouncements of that other environmental poseur David Suzuki!)

(If you are going to lecture people to change their lives- should YOU not also make those changes? Apparently NOT - if you are a LIE-beral HYPOCRITE!!!!!)

Conservatives use fear mongering about taxes, without acknowledging the status quo is completely unsustainable and that doing nothing comes at a greater cost than the carbon tax itself.

(The fact that taxes AND DEFICITS are rising far faster than the rate of inflation is not fear mongering- it is telling the ugly truth to Cdns!)

Change will come with a cost, yes. But no carbon tax will cost more.

(Yes- change WILL come- probably right after the 2019 election in which LIE-beral carbon CRAP will be swept away by enraged Cdn voters!)

Canadian Conservatives in the current debate also like to ignore that many people on the right support a carbon tax as a way to bring about change.

(There is a big LIE! Who says Conservatives want a carbon tax as a FAKE way of protecting the environment? After all- since well heeled civil service Hogs have so many carbon fueled TOYS - we could make a lot of money by simply taxing and licensing those toys- so we can pay down THE LIE-beral DEBTS!)

George Bush’s treasury secretary and former Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson has called for urgent action including carbon taxes.

(And we all know how well Goldman Sachs handles money! Goldman Sachs would be dead and buried if it was not bailed out by long suffering tax payers!)

(And we are back to the argument that a carbon tax is just a CASH GRAB! And who says that govt needs more revenue? WE ordinary people insist that LIE-berals have a SPENDING PROBLEM and a vote buying problem that WE don’t wish to pay for any more!)

The irony of the current debate is that a carbon tax is actually just the beginning.

The real change we must make is massive and on a scale greater than anything humans have ever done before. It is unprecedented. The speed and action that we must change is actually unimaginable.

(Yes- just look at Doug Ford struggling with that $16 billion dollar deficit left to him by LYING LIE-berals who tried and failed to convince us they had the budget balanced!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Or we could talk about the recent admission by Our idiot Boy Justin and his federal LIE-berals- that the federal budget will NOT BE BALANCED until some time AFTER 2040! I suggest it will be balanced before that- for the simple reason that LIE-berals WILL BE OUT OF OFFICE long before that!)

(And there is the down side to that LIE-beral multi culturalism! A LOT of people are aware of the European financial disaster that is unfolding due to DEBT!! It seems NOT to have occurred to a lot of LIE-berals that people came here specifically to get away from European LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!)

New Yorker Magazine cites the United States mobilization to prepare for World War II as the only other possible example of what the western world has done on a comparable size and scale to confront climate change and stem the earth’s warming.

(Yes- it will literally take another WAR to wean LIE-berals and their civil service union Hog allies away from the govt gravy train!)

How can we possibly work together to change our global energy infrastructure and other international projects when we can’t even find a way to agree on small changes like a carbon tax.

(And how can we agree on anything major if LIE-berals refuse to discuss their gravy train GREED? Best that LIE-berals be gone from office- they have already done major damage that will take generations to repair!)
 

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Poland could use some upgrades but she would be stupid to abandon coal.