GM Closing Down Ontario Plant

spilledthebeer

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Trudeau vows to help get GM workers 'back on their feet' as automaker stands firm on Oshawa closure


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Yes- I am sure Our idiot Boy will be just as helpful this time around as LIE-beral Dalton McGinty was in 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


McGinty offered up $100 million dollars for retraining of laid off auto workers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then McGinty hung so many strings and conditions on his "help" that only 5 percent of the money was ever used!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral "bait and switch" is the order of the day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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What is that fat tub of shit Doug Ford doing?


"They told me straight up there's nothing we can do," Ford said on Monday, after GM confirmed that the company will stop producing cars and trucks at the major plant east of Toronto.


Well there you go.


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SO HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why did you ask the question if you had an answer available??????????????????????????


And considering the BILLIONS of dollars that McGinty LIE-berals either loaned at ultra low rates- and sometimes out right GIFTED to General Motors in 2008 - is it not worth asking if we can afford to BRIBE GM any further??????????????



And shall we recall that Harper Conservatives were slammed by LIE-berals for not offering up MORE BRIBES to auto companies in 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then later- LIE-berals WHINED that Conservatives had given away too MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



If you were honest and knew how little property or corporate tax Gm or Ford or any of them really paid us - even a shameless LIE-beral supporter like you might be blushing with shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The LIE-beral fix is IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Auto worker jobs are certainly useful- but the LIE-beral business model might as well cut out the middle man and just pay CAW workers to stay home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Think of the greenhouse gas emissions that would be curtailed if auto workers stayed home- and we know LIE-berals WANT to kill modern industries with their carbon tax anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It is not like there is any shortage of motor vehicles in Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And hey- Wynne-bag LIE-berals just GAVE Honda one hundred million dollars last spring to expand their Alliston plant- you would not want that money to go to waste would you????????????????????????



And what does a one billion dollar govt gift buy in these troubling times???????????????


Bombardier was given a BILLION DOLLARS LAST YEAR by Our idiot Boy Justin- and yet Bombardier STILL HAS NOT delivered all the Toronto street cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But then we should note that Bombardier has been busy TAKING BACK 69 of the new cars FOR REPAIRS to the crap welding job they did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That is the problem with those dirty LIE-beral deals- they dont last thansk to being suckered by fast buck artists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And just look at the LIE-beral green energy mess -those "great" contracts signed and then Samsung did not honour the deal- and instead of killing the mess- LIE-berals re-negotiated it and left billions on the table for Samsung to pick up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



But the Conservative method - of keeping taxes low and attracting long term investment is more fiscally sound!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But LIE-berals do not approve of the Conservative low tax route because it makes it hard to BUY VOTES -inless there are dirty back room deals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Let me remind you yet again Hoid- that ALL LIE-beral policy is FAILING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral policy is spinning in circles like nasty turds in a flushed toilet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Hoid

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How much of a subsidy do you propose we grant GM?
GM is getting subsidies and tax breaks and is closing plants.

Giving them nothing is going to entice them to keep them open?

As I have mentioned before, its as if you had no economic experience whatsoever.
 

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https://govtslaves.info/2018/11/26/...orce-in-bid-for-electric-self-driving-future/
Today General Motors announced they are restructuring their global business. As part of that restructuring, they plan to shut down production at five facilities in North America and reduce their salaried workforce by 15%. This will include a quarter of their executives.
GM believes that new technology is the future:
“GM’s (GM) new motto is “Zero Crashes, Zero Emissions, Zero Congestion,” signaling a shift to self-driving, electric vehicles. But the restructuring is also about making cars people want now. Customers are increasingly shunning sedans in favor of SUVs and hatchbacks.
The company said the plan would make it more efficient, saving $6 billion a year by the end of 2020. GM said its slimmed down production plan would allow it to share technology across all of its vehicles and reduce the amount of time and workers it takes to build cars.”1
The following plants, who made the Chevrolet Volt, Impala and Cruze, the Buick LaCrosse, and the Cadillac CT6 and XTS, are set to close:

  • Hamtramck, Detroit
  • Oshawa, Ontario;
  • Warren, Ohio;
  • White Marsh, Maryland;
  • and Warren, Michigan.
They also plan to close three plants outside North America by the end of 2019.
 

pgs

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GM also closing plants in Ohio and Michigan .

Like Ford they have been hit hrd by the switch in consumer spending away from cars and towards SUVS and trucks, and by the Trump tariffs, which have cost them a billion dollars.

MAGA

They are planning to confine themselves to electric and self driving cars, which will be shared rather than owned.

A little late, as is normal for massive corporations.
Maybe Unifor can sign up a few MacDonalds to make up the shortfall in dues .
 

Danbones

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Yeah, those new robot burger flippers will be signing up like mad!
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since they can't get migrants to do that kind of work for that kind of money.
 

White_Unifier

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GM is getting subsidies and tax breaks and is closing plants.
Giving them nothing is going to entice them to keep them open?
As I have mentioned before, its as if you had no economic experience whatsoever.

If a business can't stay afloat without getting special treatment, it's best to let it fold. Why should we raise taxes on more successful businesses to subsidize the lest successful ones?
 

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I would like to know (if Canada is such a great place to invest) why GM isn't retrofitting the plant for self-driving or electric cars. If the factory is producing vehicles no one is buying and if GM wants to get "ahead" of producing future vehicles, why not here? Are the plants that are closing in the U.S. also producing vehicles that no one wants to buy? Just wondering why they're being closed. Are they inefficient too?


It's all well and good to say that electric vehicles are cars of the future but the infrastructure isn't there yet and will take awhile before it is and HUGE investment by someone.....and since this government is so excited by making sure investing in Canada is a no-go, I'm certain that the taxpayers (i.e. government involvement) are going to be stuck with putting the infrastructure required and you absolutely know how that's going to come out - just like everything else the government gets involved in - $1,000,000's of dollars more than required to ensure that they're "trusted" friends get their share of the loot. After all, not only will those vehicles require electricity; the electricity will have to be produced somehow and as demand increases, no "windmill" or solar panels will be sufficient to provide the electricity required - oops, guess we'll have to use NG or Oil!!! So the demand for fossil fuels won't be going anywhere soon!!


But maybe I'm being cynical …..


In the meantime, fueled vehicles will still be required and will be for the long-term.
 

pgs

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I would like to know (if Canada is such a great place to invest) why GM isn't retrofitting the plant for self-driving or electric cars. If the factory is producing vehicles no one is buying and if GM wants to get "ahead" of producing future vehicles, why not here? Are the plants that are closing in the U.S. also producing vehicles that no one wants to buy? Just wondering why they're being closed. Are they inefficient too?


It's all well and good to say that electric vehicles are cars of the future but the infrastructure isn't there yet and will take awhile before it is and HUGE investment by someone.....and since this government is so excited by making sure investing in Canada is a no-go, I'm certain that the taxpayers (i.e. government involvement) are going to be stuck with putting the infrastructure required and you absolutely know how that's going to come out - just like everything else the government gets involved in - $1,000,000's of dollars more than required to ensure that they're "trusted" friends get their share of the loot. After all, not only will those vehicles require electricity; the electricity will have to be produced somehow and as demand increases, no "windmill" or solar panels will be sufficient to provide the electricity required - oops, guess we'll have to use NG or Oil!!! So the demand for fossil fuels won't be going anywhere soon!!


But maybe I'm being cynical …..


In the meantime, fueled vehicles will still be required and will be for the long-term.
Well GM announced that they will be stopping production of the Chevy Volt due to lack of sales . They are going to focus on trucks and SUV’s that people want and are buying .
 

spilledthebeer

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We might as well embrace the inevitable and adopt unilateral global free trade. No tariffs, no quotas, and no subsidies.


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CLUELESS TWIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There is NOTHING BUT tariffs, quotas and subsidies out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Here is an article giving clear warning of the LIE-beral threat we face. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Democrats' war on capitalism

By Larry Elder.

Published: May 13, 2018. Updated: May 13, 2018 4:00 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists

Hillary Clinton recently offered yet another reason why she lost her second consecutive race for the presidency: capitalism.

At the Shared Value Leadership Summit in New York City, Clinton was asked whether her self-proclaimed “capitalist” stance hurt her during the 2016 presidential primary season. “It’s hard to know,” she said, “but I mean, if you’re in the Iowa caucuses and 41% of Democrats are socialists or self-described socialists, and I’m asked, ‘Are you a capitalist?’ and I say, ‘Yes, but with appropriate regulation and appropriate accountability.’ You know, that probably gets lost in the ‘Oh, my gosh, she’s a capitalist!’”

(And it illustrates how deeply snowflakes have undermined Yankee society that being a Socialist is now seen as a virtue!)

Clinton’s right. Being a Democrat and a “capitalist” is an increasingly untenable position for a politician. Polls show that today’s Democratic Party and capitalism appear to be on a collision course. A November 2015 New York Times/CBS News poll found that 56% of Democratic primary voters said they held a positive view of socialism.

(The Socialist issue is being fueled directly by LIE-beral politicians who are pretending that offering special deals for select groups is a virtue- such deals are no longer seen as shameless and costly vote buying!)

A Morning Consult/Politico survey in June 2017 asked if a hypothetical replacement for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi should be a socialist or capitalist. More Democrats opted for socialism, with 35% saying it’s somewhat or very important that her replacement be a socialist, while only 31% said the same for a capitalist.

(This acceptance of socialism is a staggering indictment of the left wing establishment in United States! Have these idiots not noticed that all socialist govts are DEAD BROKE? Do these arrogant FOOLS REALLY think they are smarter than all the FAILED socialists who came before them? Have any of these idiots heard of Bob Rae and his NDP Rae Days?)

Indeed, one of the Democrats’ loudest voices, filmmaker Michael Moore, recently praised Karl Marx, the ideological godfather of communism. Moore tweeted: “Happy 200th Birthday Karl Marx! You believed that everyone should have a seat at the table & that the greed of the rich would eventually bring us all down. You believed that everyone deserves a slice of the pie. You knew that the super wealthy were out to grab whatever they could … Though the rich have sought to distort him or even use him, time has shown that, in the end, Marx was actually mostly right & that the aristocrats, the slave owners, the bankers and Goldman Sachs were wrong… ‘Happy Birthday, Karl Marx. You Were Right!’”

Tell that to the millions who died under communist repression in, among other places, China, the Soviet Union and Cambodia.

(Again- such values are an amazing condemnation of leftie society! There is a huge difference between giving people a seat at the table- and letting them BURN the table because they don’t like the meal on offer!)

Perhaps no issue reflects this socialist view more than the Democrats’ push for “single-payer” health care. As a state senator, Barack Obama said: “I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer, universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14% of its gross national product on health care, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody … A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. That’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately.” A few years later, then-presidential candidate Obama reiterated his stance, that if “starting from scratch” he’d have a single-payer system.

(As a Cdn who has had his life saved by our public health care- I think it is worth noting that insurance is a CAPITALIST CREATION! Given the complexities of any modern insurance document and the ever expanding number of ways insurance companies are creating to get around paying for anything- it stands to reason that the great majority of us will be better off with govt health care!)

(In fact- Cdn statistics prove this fact! Cdn Cancer patients LIVE LONGER- on average- than their Yankee counterparts! It looks to me as if a nation has a choice between building jails and building hospitals- and Yankees seem to prefer jails! Even though hospitals are more pleasing to have access to! )

(But as our Cdn experience shows- having public health care is one thing- but creating a VAST ARMY of civil service union Hogs to run all our public services is quite another matter! Our civil service has been encouraged to grow all out of proportion to our needs- by regular and quite shameless LIE-beral vote buying!!!)

(Offering up piles of gravy to civil service Hogs in exchange for votes -is NOT DEMOCRACY! It is simply CRASS BRIBERY and it is a GROSS conflict of interest that NO HONEST DEMOCRACY should tolerate within its borders!)

(This GROSS CONFLICT of interest has been allowed to flourish thanks to voter indifference- when less than half the population does not care to cast a ballot- it allows the extremists to take over!)

(The problem now is that LIE-berals have so abused the population for so long that the public is now striking back at the costly entitlements of greedy LIE-berals- and LIE-berals are so deeply entitled they think it is the public that is in the wrong!)

(Our society is being splintered into those who feel they are entitled to use others as stepping stones- and those who are sick of being stepped on! All LIE-beral policy is in disgrace and the silent majority is getting roused!)

Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean called the so-called “public option” the endgame: “I think while someday we may end up with a single-payer system, it’s clear that we’re not going to do it all at once, so I think both candidates’ (Hillary Clinton’s and Obama’s) health care plans are a big step forward.”

(One has to wonder why these people are so obsessed with public health care when they are running up such huge debts in other areas? Other countries do not have the level of crime and violence that United States has- would some KINDNESS in the form of health care be out of line and would such kindness help to reduce some of the anger?)

(LIE-berals do not care about social conditions- their gravy is blocking sensible thought! This is why Cdn LIE-berals and their Hog allies can cheerfully contemplate creating TWO TIER medicine in Canada! They want to retain a fine health care system for “those who can pay” and dispense a few aspirins and bandaids for ordinary people! There is NOT enough LIE-beral gravy to go around so LIE-berals expect to protect their entitlements by making US to go short!)

(One finds it easy to condemn the unstable banking system that has become the tool of leftist govts! When Pierre Trudeau came to power- Cdn banks had 83 cents on deposit for every dollar they loaned out! When Trudeau left office- Cdn banks had 17 cents on deposit for every dollar they had loaned out! And now- Cdn banks are the most financially solid ones on the planet because they have 13 cents on deposit for every dollar loaned out- compared to 7-8 cents on deposit for European banks!)

(LIE-beral deficit financing and massive long term debts are a scourge crippling peoples lives! The banker does not care where the money comes from- he is not required- as part of his job- to make moral judgements about greedy civil service unions!)

(But consider that the more money you have to invest - the BETTER are the investment options open to you! Go into a bank with one thousand dollars for a GIC- and the bank yawns and takes your money at a MODEST interest rate! But go in with ten million dollars and watch the bank fawn over you and offer up GREAT interest rates!)

(Civil service Hogs are grabbing up all the best investments- just shouldering us out using BORROWED CASH THAT WE HAVE TO PAY BACK in our taxes! This is NOT DEMOCRACY! It is LEGAL THEFT! And more Yankees- and Cdns to- could pay for health care if this legal theft was halted!)
 

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With our current buck o litre price, gasoline engines aren't going anywhere.
Yes I see 5 to 10 pickup trucks for every smart car on Vancouver roadways, all the automakers are making more and more pickups and suv’s , yet I am told by CBC that the internal combustion engine is dead . Even Toyota is selling more Tundras then Corollas .