NATO & the Trump Factor

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For the un-educationalized:

Russia's got a point: The U.S. broke a NATO promise

Leaders in Moscow, however, tell a different story. For them, Russia is the aggrieved party. They claim the United States has failed to uphold a promise that NATO would not expand into Eastern Europe, a deal made during the 1990 negotiations between the West and the Soviet Union over German unification. In this view, Russia is being forced to forestall NATO's eastward march as a matter of self-defense.
Russia's got a point: The U.S. broke a NATO promise

...and of course there are the NAZIs installed in Ukraine by Obama and hitlery, with support from Canada, and oddly enough, tacitly by Israel too.






Oh high trumphaters, didn't see you standing there!
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WE all know how the Russians turfed the ILLEGALLY INVADING NAZIs back in WW2
 
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Russia could not whack afghanistan, cannot whack the ukraine - but somehow could whack nato?

I don't see it
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You don't have to, you aren't NATO. NATO knows how fuked they are as far as being able to attack any country that hasn't been thoroughly disarmed before the 'invasion'. You forget that little detail??


Why bring up an incident that shows how morally bankrupt the US was/is?



https://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?
Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.
 
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Hoid said:
Russia could not whack afghanistan, cannot whack the ukraine - but somehow could whack nato?

I don't see it
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Neither does anyone else. You forgot to mention it hardly managed to deal with Chechnya. As I have said before, wars are fought with money and Russia doesn't have any.
 
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You don't have to, you aren't NATO. NATO knows how fuked they are as far as being able to attack any country that hasn't been thoroughly disarmed before the 'invasion'. You forget that little detail??

Let's see a list of all of those "NATO invasions".

I'm aware of only one: during the Yugoslavian civil war and that was done after some deliberation when it becomes apparent that death camps, rape camps and concentration camps were being operated by all sides and NATO therefore intervened to stop it.
 
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the former soviet union is a second rate military power. they have been completely unable to maintain the level of military preparedness that bankrupted them in the first place.

if that upsets anyone - and I don't know why it would - too bad.
 
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Let's see a list of all of those "NATO invasions".
Very good point if we go from vietnam to yemen where u.s./nato supply their proxy warriors to destroy yemen their track record be a long, long list of human misery.

Nukes and a delivery system to deposit one or two wherever on the globe they wish makes them an adversary to acknowledge, that their space station taxi remains in business sorrta hints they possess the technology and the hardware. l
 
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10larry said:
Let's see a list of all of those "NATO invasions".
Very good point if we go from vietnam to yemen where u.s./nato supply their proxy warriors to destroy yemen their track record be a long, long list of human misery.

Nukes and a delivery system to deposit one or two wherever on the globe they wish makes them an adversary to acknowledge, that their space station taxi remains in business sorrta hints they possess the technology and the hardware. l
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NATO had nothing to do with Vietnam ... zero, zip, nada ... inspite of constant lobbying by the Americans to draw NATO soldiers in (including Canadians) [see: SEATO]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia_Treaty_Organization

Yemen? You're nuts, buddy. Why not just say "Mars "or "Alpha Centauri"?
 
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Trump is correct (for once) they all feed off the Rothschild tit, the US just gets more because she is willing to show time and time again she will do the vilest of things to stay #1.


The Empire Files: The U.S. School That Trains Dictators & Death Squads

On November 22, thousands gathered at the gates of Fort Benning, GA at the 25th annual protest of the School of the Americas to memorialize the tens of thousands of people who lost their lives at the hands of the U.S. Empire’s brutally repressive juntas it used to rule Latin America by force. The dictators and death squad leaders, who committed acts of genocide, were trained within the gates of Fort Benning, at the School of the Americas – otherwise known as the “School Of Assassins.” Abby Martin investigates this notorious school that is largely hidden from the American public; it’s crimes around the world, it’s star graduates, why it exists and the movement to shut it down. Featuring interviews with School Of the Americas Watch founder Father Roy Bourgeois and other SOAW leaders. [Follow @SOAWatch and visit SOAW.org for more info on the movement]


The IDF was kind enough to give them the training manuals.
 
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MHz said:
It was the French (surprise, surprise) that lost control of the opium fields, Vietnam was the cover story to get them back.
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The French were not NATO. In fact, the French were not even in NATO for decades.
 
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MHz said:
Trump is correct (for once) they all feed off the Rothschild tit, the US just gets more because she is willing to show time and time again she will do the vilest of things to stay #1.


The Empire Files: The U.S. School That Trains Dictators & Death Squads

On November 22, thousands gathered at the gates of Fort Benning, GA at the 25th annual protest of the School of the Americas to memorialize the tens of thousands of people who lost their lives at the hands of the U.S. Empire’s brutally repressive juntas it used to rule Latin America by force. The dictators and death squad leaders, who committed acts of genocide, were trained within the gates of Fort Benning, at the School of the Americas – otherwise known as the “School Of Assassins.” Abby Martin investigates this notorious school that is largely hidden from the American public; it’s crimes around the world, it’s star graduates, why it exists and the movement to shut it down. Featuring interviews with School Of the Americas Watch founder Father Roy Bourgeois and other SOAW leaders. [Follow @SOAWatch and visit SOAW.org for more info on the movement]


The IDF was kind enough to give them the training manuals.
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The Rothschilds? What is the problem? Is Soros not working out for you any more? Why don't you try Jerry Seinfeld; he is more credible than any of your imaginary Jewish conspirators.
 
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The rothschilds formula is simple, combat needs money a commodity that banksters specialize in n' both combatants need it. Simple to verify for yourselves just google rothchilds or wars are bankster gold.
 
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10larry said:
The rothschilds formula is simple, combat needs money a commodity that banksters specialize in n' both combatants need it. Simple to verify for yourselves just google rothchilds or wars are bankster gold.
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Rumsfeld and Cheney lined their pockets during the Iraq invasion that they conjured up, with their Haliburton company.

Is that the sort of thing that you are getting at?
 
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The one percent has always made the wars for their own gain.

That's the way it works.

The Founding Fathers were basically well-off Americans who conspired against a one percent English family.
 
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