Downtown Vancouver soon to have no gas stations

spilledthebeer

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Gas stations disappear from large downtown areas all over North America and always have.


I get a BIG KICK out of LIE-berals like Hoid trying to distract us from the death of the LIE-beral party by talking about irrelevant crap like the number of gas stations in town! Hoid and his horrid helpers do not want us to consider this:




I have heard a couple of very silly people ask if we can trust Doug Ford? They wonder if he can live up to his promises. My answer to that is scornful laughter! The record left by Wynne-bag LIE-berals is so BAD that Doug Ford would have a better record as premier than Wynne-bag even if he spent the entire 4 years as premier locked in his office- refusing to come out!

AS for NDP- they offer up 2 reactions to LIE-beral policy announcements- they either say “Me Too”! Or they say “we would spend even more”! NDPers are simply people who lack the low guile and cunning to be proper LIE-berals!

Some basic comparisons are useful here- consider:

Suppose Ford gets elected - and immediately afterwards he FORGETS his promise to reduce gas prices by 10 cents a litre. We would STILL BE BETTER OFF WITH FORD! Recall that LIE-beral policy is to DRIVE UP the price of gas SO HIGH -using their carbon taxes- THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD TO USE FOSSIL FUEL ANY MORE! To bad a side effect of the LIE-beral war on fossil fuel is that we cannot afford to eat or pay rent any more either! LIE-berals have told us they want to CLOSE the entire Cdn oil patch! How is that better than the Ford policy?

In addition- in 2016, Globe and Mail newspaper printed a Wynne-bag LIE-beral policy piece in which they outlined how LIE-berals thought it would be good to force us to STOP USING NATURAL GAS for heating or for cooking in our homes! LIE-berals prefer that we be forced to use electricity for both heating and cooking- it is mute testimony to how much gravy LIE-berals expect to rake in with their mouldy green energy rip off! Again- LIE-berals want to push the price of natural gas so high we stop using it! Ford can get a BETTER RECORD than LIE-berals just by ignoring our use of natural gas!

On a related theme- Ford has said he will reduce the price of electricity. And Conservatives have also told us they want to dig into those nasty LIE-beral green energy contracts that feed such rich gobs of gravy to LIE-beral pals- the contracts the public is NOT allowed to look at- to see where and how we are being price gouged- and how to stop the gouging! And again- lets assume Ford gets elected and forgets that promise and simply ignores the price of electricity for 4 years. By comparison, LIE-berals have told us that they want to steadily DRIVE UP the price of electricity in order to force us to “conserve” electricity! The result of such conservation will make LIE-beral pals RICH! AS we have seen with water rates- if we conserve then LIE-berals push the price even higher to compensate for lost revenue!

But if real electricity conservation is a priority, why do LIE-berals IGNORE those electric bubble systems that civil service union Hogs have installed around their docks in Muskoka Lakes- which run 6 months per year to prevent the lake from freezing around their valuable docks? LIE-berals think that your old granny running an electric space heater in her draughty apartment is a greater environmental threat than civil service Hogs using lots of electricity to prevent lakes from freezing in Cdn winter!

Ford has also talked about day care and again he can ignore that promise and still get ahead of LIE-berals! The existing LIE-beral day care system and all day kindergarten was implemented in the most COSTLY WAY POSSIBLE! The number of young kids in grade school is dropping so Wynne-bag has hired unemployed elementary school teachers at HIGH PAY AND HUGE PENSIONS- to wipe noses and tie shoelaces! It is a deliberate insult to the graduates of Early Childhood Education courses who are now largely shut out and unemployed!

When Wynne-bag replaced Dalton McGinty as premier - after he TRIED AND FAILED to rein in teacher Hog greed- Wynne-bag stood in front of teachers and assured them she “would do whatever it takes to recover your trust”- meaning the teacher gravy train ride would RESUME! Wynne- bag is BUYING teacher votes with her vastly costly deals with teachers costly grand gravy deal will CONTINUE if Wynne allowed to meddle further with day care!

And now LIE-berals are promising to expand their daycare deal- making it more like the Quebec model- where the cost rose 45 percent in the first 3 years as union Hogs took it over! The LIE-beral day care model simply adds another costly car onto the govt gravy train that is already overloaded with LIE-beral pals! How can Ford make this colossal Hog gravy grab worse?

And what of the LIE-beral drug plan? News reports indicate that it ALREADY has holes in it- with patients ALREADY stuck in LIE-beral limbo as OHIP and private medical insurers argue over who covers what? With the added bonus that Wynne has made sure that private insurance companies WIN BIG on OHIP PLUS drug deals! Its just another hand out to HOGS- the ones who OWN stocks in pharma care drug companies! Its just more tax and spend LIE-beral madness - offering Hogs endless chances to skim off more gravy! And the LIE-beral drug funding model is BROKEN! LIE-beral estimates of cost are no more reliable than the out right LIES they have been exposed as having told us about their balanced budgets!

For those who think Ohip plus drug plan might be a good idea- I remind you of that fine LIE-beral offer of $100 million dollars for re-training of laid off auto workers in 2008- and the money came with so many strings attached that only 5 percent of the cash was ever used! Or maybe we should discuss the REPEATED Wynne-bag LIE-beral offers of funding for Toronto Transit- in which huge sums are offered- with best before dates- that CANNOT BE MET! It’s the usual LIE-beral grand standing- offering a great bargain that dead broke Toronto cannot take advantage of- and so the “offer” expires and LIE-berals KEEP the money!

LIE-berals take a positive delight in offering us fine, shiny new programs- that ONLY their pals can use! When LIE-beral govt first got involved in govt subsidized day care - one of the first day care places open was in Toronto City Hall- just for Hogs! Currently those licenced and subsidized LIE-beral day care spaces are rationed and in short supply- therefore they have been made available to LIE-beral allies first and foremost!

When LIE-berals recognized that post secondary tuition costs were hurting our kids- they offered up a new plan- one that gave a few kids more OSAP money but left the majority of kids PAYING MORE! LIE-berals NEED every possible vote and university prof`s are DEMANDING a fifty percent raise in pay-or- as LIE-berals fear- they will turn and support more generous NDP gravy givers instead- and Hog greed trumps public need every time for LIE-berals!

When LIE-berals got into installing electric chargers for the electric toy vehicles they want to FORCE us to buy- their first location choices were at govt offices, down town insurance companies and such- again- great choices for Hogs and LIE-beral allies- but not so good for the general public!

When LIE-berals recognized their electricity price gouging was hurting the public- they offered up price reductions for big business- meaning UNIONIZED business- and they FORGOT about all sorts of smaller non unionized biz- meaning ones that LIE-berals could not trust to support them reliably at the ballot box!

Ford has said he will lower corporate taxes and LIE-berals scorn this idea! But if LOW TAXES are a bad idea then why is it a GOOD LIE-beral idea to supply lots of grants to Hollywood North- in exchange for those good jobs? Are LIE-berals counting on Actra/ actors union support for that bribery? If low taxes are good for Hollywood North then why are low taxes NOT good for other Ontari-owe biz? If low taxes are not good for biz then why do LIE-berals offer up such a host of grants and low interest loans to any biz that will come and set up shop here? And how dumb do LIE-beral think biz owners are that they cannot see the LIE-beral HOOK in that tax bait? Get set up and securely planted in “generous” LIE-beral Ontari-owe and then LIE-berals rip away ALL the lures that brought biz here! But LIE-berals insist it is the fault of others there are not enough jobs- and then they proceed to handle job loss numbers with the same precision they used to “balance” the budgets they got caught LYING about!

And how can you get a steady job or a raise in pay- to cover LIE-beral “inflation” from a boss that has already had his pockets picked by LIE-berals? AS Margaret Thatcher pointed out: “the trouble with LIE-berals is that eventually they run out of other peoples money”! LIE-berals are engaged in NDP/Bob Rae style madness- trying to make us rich with BORROWED MONEY! How can Ford with his “we wont spend what we do not have” style make the LIE-beral mess worse?

Ford has said he will not implement that last LIE-beral mandated one dollar minimum wage increase- but how bad is that? More money pushes earners into a higher income tax bracket; it mandates higher contribution rates for unemployment insurance and Canada Pension Plan! How much of that dollar will LIE-beral tax man allow people to keep?

The minimum wage increase is for SHOW ONLY! The LIE-beral minimum wage increase and the carbon crap and trade tax have given the ILLUSION of inflation in our economy as business adapts to FORCED higher costs - and that is just the excuse LIE-berals NEED to justify giving their Hog allies large and regular raises in pay- at the “rate of inflation”- that LIE-berals are creating in the first place! Its all smoke and mirrors- except that the LIE-beral DEBTS ARE VERY REAL!

This IS the LIE-beral legacy- that they and their pals grow RICH AT OUR EXPENSE! And HOW can Ford make any of this WORSE? Ford can hide under a Queens Park desk for 4 years and things will still be better than with LIE-berals!

The only people who vote LIE-beral are those who are PAID by them- and sometimes even that is not enough! ETFO- the elementary teachers union has just thrown its support behind NDP/Horvath! I guess NDP offered MORE GRAVY THAN LIE-berals since the Hogs are willing to forget the NDP Rae Days catastrophe!
 

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Downtown Vancouver's last gas station now on the market | CBC News

Will real estate economics be the catalyst to convert autos from gas to electric?

I worked in Vancouver this week and stayed at a hotel that had a phone-booth sized electric vehicle charge-up station. The station wasn’t used by anyone when I was around it. There didn’t look like much demand, but a number of hotels now have them. Yet, in downtown Vancouver there is only one gas station, and Vancouver will soon become the first metropolitan centre in North America without a gas station.

The last remaining station sits on real estate valued at 36 million (2017 assessed value). Obviously there are better land use options than gas retailing.

I believe the news item above shows this is not unique to Vancouver.

Darwinism in action.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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The fact is a lot of people who live in downtown Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, may not own or need a vehicle of any sort. Public transit is usually pretty good in the downtown core and most essentials if not are likely walking distance. The rents of the residence and costs of those essentials are much higher as well probably not leaving much in the budget for a vehicle. Parking is also an issue.


So there aren't too many downtown fueling stations. And the land owner/station owner is going to do whatever is best for their financial interest. So not surprised to see cores without gas stations. Suburbs have plenty as they have sucky public transit and everybody needs a car.
 

taxslave

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Vancouver's core being about the size of a ssmall family farm I don't see the problem with not having a gas station in the middle.
 

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Hey angry boy, there is no shortage of people in Vancouver willing to buy gas at any price. Instead there is a growing shortage of places willing to sell it.
Only in the downtown core . In the suburbs new stations are going up on a regular basis .

Nope. Try it on Google Maps. Library is 350 W Georgia St, Shell is 1785 Main St.
Just over the viaduct .
 

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The fact is a lot of people who live in downtown Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, may not own or need a vehicle of any sort. Public transit is usually pretty good in the downtown core and most essentials if not are likely walking distance. The rents of the residence and costs of those essentials are much higher as well probably not leaving much in the budget for a vehicle. Parking is also an issue.


So there aren't too many downtown fueling stations. And the land owner/station owner is going to do whatever is best for their financial interest. So not surprised to see cores without gas stations. Suburbs have plenty as they have sucky public transit and everybody needs a car.

If you live in the downtown core of a high-density city like Vancouver, why would you even need public transit? Wouldn't walking or cycling do the trick? There could be exceptions I suppose if for example you live downtown but work in a suburb or if you live downtown but your close friends and family live in a suburb. But I'd imagine that most who live downtown work and shop downtown too, meaning that they'd need any kind of fuel-powered transport on their days off if traveling a greater-than-usual distance.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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If you live in the downtown core of a high-density city like Vancouver, why would you even need public transit? Wouldn't walking or cycling do the trick? There could be exceptions I suppose if for example you live downtown but work in a suburb or if you live downtown but your close friends and family live in a suburb. But I'd imagine that most who live downtown work and shop downtown too, meaning that they'd need any kind of fuel-powered transport on their days off if traveling a greater-than-usual distance.


Cycling is not practical if you don't want to arrive sweaty. Downtown cores are bigger than a couple city blocks so some sort of public transit is necessary. For the off days, there are rental cars which are cheaper for occasional use than owning. Not enough demand to justify a gas station if the land can be used for more money making endeavors.
 

Curious Cdn

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Cycling is not practical if you don't want to arrive sweaty. Downtown cores are bigger than a couple city blocks so some sort of public transit is necessary. For the off days, there are rental cars which are cheaper for occasional use than owning. Not enough demand to justify a gas station if the land can be used for more money making endeavors.

Won't be any gas at all unless Alberta and BC kiss and make up.
 

DaSleeper

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The fact is a lot of people who live in downtown Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, may not own or need a vehicle of any sort. Public transit is usually pretty good in the downtown core and most essentials if not are likely walking distance. The rents of the residence and costs of those essentials are much higher as well probably not leaving much in the budget for a vehicle. Parking is also an issue.


So there aren't too many downtown fueling stations. And the land owner/station owner is going to do whatever is best for their financial interest. So not surprised to see cores without gas stations. Suburbs have plenty as they have sucky public transit and everybody needs a car.
If I lived where my daughter lives in Mississauga, across Eglington from the mall, a grocery store, a hardware store, dollar store and several restaurants, a park in her back yard..................I wouldn't need a car...
When you figure the cost plus insurance and maintenance......It would be cheaper to rent one for the few trips I might need to make every year......

Won't be any gas at all unless Alberta and BC kiss and make up.
That's a good one :lol:
 

Curious Cdn

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I lived quite comfortably in NDG (west part of Montreal) without a car for several years. The transit system in the city proper is good there, with an excellent subway system at it's heart. It was easy to get out of town, too. 90 minutes on a Greyhound bus into New York and you were a short walk to the top notch Adirondac Mountain Club trail system. A MUCH longer bus ride (9 hours!) north from the same Berri bus station and you are in the huge La Verendrye provincial park ... far wilder and larger than the famous Algonquin in Ontario. You literally get off the bus at Camp Dorval and walk 300 feet, hop in your rental canoe and into the bush for a couple of weeks.
(Yes, there are bears in Quebec.) 90 minutes west by Greyhound and you're in downtown Ottawa. Three hours east by bus to Quebec City and you're in a different country.
 

spilledthebeer

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There,s one in a twenty kilometer radius for me, when in the good old days there was six, and they would do the windshield.


Poor stupid LIE-berals- they want to pretend that govt BRIBERY is as efficient as free market choices! Idiots who call gas stations disappearing from urban Vancouver "social Darwinism" are engaged in social FRAUD!


It is a tribute to the amount of GRAVY that LIE-berals expect to GRAB from their electric Toy vehicle mess that they should persist in trying to sell us these very Costly and mouldy green FAILED machines!


LIE-berals tell us their gross Green Energy mess is good for us and point to various corporations that have jumped on the mouldy green band wagon as proof that the LIE-beral Green Energy and Carbon crap and trade scam messes are working and are accepted by the public. This article presents the truth re LIE-beral energy and environmental failures. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Big business has bought into the green agenda for the subsidies

By Lorne Gunter , Edmonton Sun. First posted: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 05:12 PM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 05:23 PM EDT

Monday, Wood Mackenzie, a leading oil, gas, mining and renewable energy analysis firm, issued a report claiming “major oil and gas producers will put more of their capital into wind and solar developments as returns from renewables are poised to exceed some hydrocarbon projects.”

In short, a global consulting firm says major energy companies are going to put lots of money into “green” energy while scaling back on fossil fuels because there is now as much or more money to be made in renewables.

Every time similar news comes out – and it comes out about once a month these days – my Inbox is jammed with told-ya-so messages from “green” activists saying things like, “See, see, even corporate executives accept that climate change is real. They’re ready to do something about it. Why don’t you stop defending carbon.” (Expletives deleted.)

(LIE-berals and their Hog allies have NO intention of telling the truth about green energy. Not about how costly it is. Not about what a job killer it is. Not about the HUGE subsidies that govt throws at green jobs. Green supporters are willing to `modify` the news as necessary to make it LOOK like Green Energy is working well!)

It happened after U.S. President Donald Trump withdrew from the Paris accord and the next day an American headline trumpeted “Corporate America scolds Trump for dumping climate agreement.”

(In truth “Corporate America” is simply afraid that their VERY PROFITABLE green subsidies may be cut!)

It happened last month when London’s Financial Times printed a feature entitled “The Big Green Bang: how renewable energy became unstoppable.” And in March when financial news service Bloomberg carried a headline proclaiming “Big Oil replaces rigs with wind turbines.”

What’s missing in all of these stories is not the what, but the why?

Why, for instance, would executives from four oil and oilsands companies have stood at the podium in November 2015 when Alberta Premier Rachel Notley announced her carbon tax and Climate Leadership Plan?

After all, aren’t corporate execs all about maximizing profits (i.e. greed)? Aren’t they all climate change “deniers” who are against the “green” economy? If even they are worried enough about the future of our planet to go “green,” shouldn’t we all do the same?

Frankly, no.

First of all, there are lots of “wets” – intellectual liberals – among the corporate elites. Indeed, the wealthiest 10% in Western countries are now more likely to vote and donate to the left than to the right.

(A CEO knows to follow the money and right now the money is ALL held by govt! Why run a private business trying to lure in finicky consumers who are broke anyway when you can get a flood of money by sucking up to govt? So what if the govt is LIE-beral- their money has no party affiliation!)

A subconscious feeling of guilt over being prosperous, coupled with peer pressure, have created a need among today’s corporate class to be seen to be socially aware.

But the biggest single reason for this new “green” enlightenment among major energy companies? Subsidies.

(LIE-berals LOVE subsidies. They are paying 900 percent MORE for wind power in Ontari-owe than for other forms of electrical generation. Have signed contracts guaranteeing they will buy any and all green energy produced, regardless of our real needs- which is why they must so often SELL electricity to other provinces and states at a HUGE LOSS! Have re-jigged our electrical grid so we DON’T use as much low cost water power for generation as we once did- in order to MAKE ROOM for unreliable and COSTLY green energy on the grid and it all costs money. Add in the fact that most of the green energy projects are owned by LIE-beral friends and or by financial experts investing Hog pension money in wind farms and you have a HUGE array of LIE-beral pals making a LOT of money off green energy- and LIE-berals are GENEROUS to their supporters!)

There are literally hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayers’ and electricity consumers’ dollars on offer from governments. And drilling for subsidies seems certain to produce a steadier income stream than drilling for hydrocarbons.

Just three reasonably minor examples from Canada illustrate the problem.

Current “green” energy plans by Ontario’s Liberal government are expected to add $170 billion to residential and industrial power bills by 2032. That’s government forcing consumers to subsidize “green” energy companies.

In Alberta, a carbon tax to subsidize renewable energy and energy-efficiency conversions in new and existing buildings will cost the average family $1,000 a year by 2018 and raise around $3 billion a year for the provincial NDP to toss around at all manner of save-the-planet schemes.

And calculations by Calgary author and policy analyst Mark Milke show that between 2000 and 2016, 80% of the billions in industrial subsidies given out by Natural Resources Canada went to renewable energy companies.

(Mouldy green LIE-beral policy ONLY cleans wallets and leaves the dirt in the air!)

Around the world it’s the same or worse. Governments are pouring slop pails full of taxpayer dollars at wind, solar, biomass and other alternate energies. It’s almost certain none of these energies would be profitable without massive subsidies.

With oil stubbornly below $50US/bbl., getting “green” politicians to squeeze taxpayers and consumers for huge subsidies and massive electricity rate increases is a great way for oil executives to make up sagging profits.

It’s Big “Green” and Big Oil versus taxpayers and consumers.

(The worst of it is that LIE-berals deliberately ignore the simple solutions to fossil fuel use. They refuse to cut back on Hog gravy. Take a drive up to the north east GTA -the side roads east and south of Newmarket and look at all the 3, 5, 10 acre estates out there- each one with a 3 or 4 car garage- with so many cars there is no need for public transit out that way! And in fact NONE exists- it is classic urban sprawl car culture- SPAWNED by Sunshine List Hogs! It is classic urban sprawl- the LIE-berals want US to forget about! But its FINE for LIE-beral pals to live in- and LIE-berals are launching their Carbon crap and trade scam so they will have MORE GRAVY for Hogs who already have the largest carbon foot print!)

(Then take your canoe up to the Muskoka Lakes and paddle around counting up the number of gas guzzling toys buzzing around you! And again- ask: how many Sunshine List Hogs are here? The true answer ought to be INFURIATING FOR YOU! Unless YOU are a Hog!)

(If govt simply cut back on gravy for Hogs, they would do as we peasants have done all along- they would SHRINK their gross carbon foot print down to more modest levels! They would drive smaller cars and drive less frequently. They would own smaller and easier to heat dwellings. They would think twice before pulling out the gas guzzling toys, and might look to less damaging forms of fun! With less gravy, Hogs would even cut back on airline travel and airplanes are the most dirty way to move anything! But LIE-beral lust for power at any price coupled with Hog greed means none of these environment saving options will ever be used! Cut back on Hog gravy and we could even save our economy!)

(LIE-berals will continue to buy both Hog votes and corporate support with OUR money while the environment burns, the economy wobbles under its debt loads and LIE-beral pals get rich! LIE-beral Dalton McGinty told us years ago that it “was time for govt to start picking economic winners and losers in Ontari-owe”. Just our luck that ALL the winners have been carbon spewing LIE-beral PALS!)
 

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If I lived in a city like Montreal, I'd use the subway and public transit, but out in the country you can never find a bus when you need one.