Is Canada ready for the coming electric vehicle revolution?
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While it is impossible to acquire an electric lawn mower or weed eater that is functional I'm not too worried about the advent of electric cars. :lol:
Oh- LUCKY. FORTUNATE and privileged JLM!!!!! HE is not worried about the COST of the LIE-beral program to force us to buy those costly electric TOY vehicles!
Maybe you better read the article set out below so you will understand (maybe- if you can raise your head above the rim of your gravy bowl) why Cdns are so pissed about the electric toy vehicles LIE-berals are so focused on:
Here is an article illustrating that LIE-berals are pathetically SLOW learners! With some comments of my own in brackets):
Mayor John Tory gets behind wheel of electric bus as part of new TTC program
cbc.ca. By Muriel Draaisma
Mayor John Tory got a firsthand look on Saturday at three different types of "all-electric eBuses" on Saturday that the TTC will test before it receives 30 by early next year.
The fully electric buses, which have zero emissions and no diesel components, are manufactured by three companies, BYD, New Flyer and Proterra. The TTC is expecting to get 30 in all, 10 from each manufacturer, for a total cost of $50 million by March 2019. The federal and provincial governments are contributing funds.
(Ah- LIE-berals LOVE their crappy and costly electric toy vehicles!)
After getting behind the wheel of one of the demonstration buses at Richview Collegiate Institute, Tory told reporters in Etobicoke the TTC is aiming to have a "zero-emissions" fleet by 2040.
"I don't think people know yet of the big push that we have on in the city of Toronto to move our fleet to be emissions free by 2040. That sounds like a long way away but you have to start," Tory said at Ward 4 Community Environment Day. Mayor John Tory says the TTC will begin testing the buses 'in our climate, on our streets' next spring.
(Yes- twice before Toronto Silly Hall FOOLS have drunk the coolaid and bought “green busses” that always cost about fifty percent MORE than conventional busses and which have rapidly developed assorted mechanical problems and thus far have always utterly FAILED to produce the sort of fuel savings that were the main reason for buying the busses!)
"We are very serious in the city about making our greenhouse gas emission reduction targets that we have set," he said.
(That`s nice- but the city is STONY BROKE and is facing an array of costly problems so how can they justify buying these EXPERIMENTAL machines? Surely the dead broke city should be letting others take the fiscal risks to prove or disprove the value of this THIRD GENERATION of green busses- especially as the first two generations were utter failures? Clearly, political POSTURING on climate issues trumps common sense and logic at Silly Hall! But LIE-berals never consider any price to high to impede their virtue signalling and self congratulatory announcements!)
(And does this purchase of electric busses signal some sort of disappointment at the vehicles Bombardier is supposed to be supplying- but has not done? We know TTC brass went before a judge trying to get the Bombardier contract cancelled due to deliveries being so hugely behind schedule- coupled with a series of damaging quality control issues on the few vehicles that were delivered! The judge refused to annul the contract and told TTC to be patient- and then Our idiot Boy Justin gave Toronto some money so it could cobble its old diesel machines together till Bombardier actually delivered its products- and we all know LIE-berals DO SO enjoy buying votes in Quebec and good business practices be damned! LIE-berals will say nothing against their bought and paid for union Hog allies in Quebec- no matter the scale or scope of their failings!)
Tory explained TTC buses contribute to the degradation of the environment through the use of diesel fuel, but the city and transit agency are determined to use greener technology through its eBus program. The TTC will test the buses "in our climate, on our streets" next spring, Tory said.
(So they are spending huge money they do not have to test out THIRTY BUSSES? Why not test out ONE from each of the three makers? Or is TTC THAT SHORT of equipment and that broke that they are prepared to take all manner of risks just so long as some sort of machines get on the streets swiftly? And we know that both federal and provincial LIE-berals offered up grant money as part of their commitment to mouldy “green” policy so at least the city is not wasting ALL its own money? LIE-berals are so obsessed with green technology one has to assume they are getting a personal cut of the profits from the sale of these gizmos! And of course the more electricity we use- for any reason- the more gravy the private sector LIE-beral pals who actually own our electrical system will skim off for their profit!)
Buses to make Toronto 'a greener city'
"With Earth Day coming up tomorrow, we thought it was an important day to showcase this initiative being undertaken by the TTC, which will save us money on the diesel fuel. It'll save emissions from harming from the environment," he said.
"And it really will just continue to move us into the vanguard of cities, in terms of being a greener city and meeting our climate change obligations and our greenhouse gas reductions."
(If Silly Hall LIE-berals were truly concerned about the environment and wanted to at least try to catch up to the “vanguard of cities” then they would immediately derail the civil service union Hog gravy train and start building MORE TRANSIT! Its what Rob Ford did to get Eglinton LRT rolling! Its what our current crop of LIE-berals SHOULD DO -to get the needed subways built- but they wont as they have already spent pour money buying Hogs! LIE-berals have signed FOUR YEAR contracts with provincial Hogs and locked up govt spending for that time! NO matter who becomes the next premier of Ontari-owe- their fiscal hands will be tied by LIE-beral schemes!)
Bem Case, the TTC's head of vehicle programs, said tests will measure how fast the buses travel, the range they can achieve, how well they perform in different temperatures, how their doors open depending on the weather and their corrosion.
"The buses are entirely new to us," Case said.
The TTC board, which approved the purchase last November, will install the necessary infrastructure to power the vehicles, including charging equipment and software.
In a November 2017 staff report, the TTC said the electric buses embody the future for the transit agency, which has about 2,000 buses in its fleet.
"Electric buses are the only truly green technology with the potential for zero emissions from generation through to bus operations. Electric buses have no tailpipe emissions, and in Ontario, generation of electricity for overnight charging is 100% nuclear and completely free of GHG emissions," the report reads.
(How do these hypocrites figure nuclear power is GREEN? Are they totally oblivious to the almost daily shipments of Tritium coolant and other radio active waste being sent down highway 401 to the massive concrete bunker/burial sites where OPG stores its radioactive slop? Some of this slop will need major storage facilities for up to 20,000 YEARS and want to bet NO LIE-beral has ever counted out the carbon foot print for all the excavation that will be required, plus all the toxic lead shielding and massive concrete bunkers that will be needed! Nuclear generators produce a LOT of power fairly cheaply but to suggest it is Zero Emission is a LIE-beral Fake News story!)
The report notes the electric bus industry is "so new" that there are no large-scale fleets in long term operations anywhere in North America and therefore testing is crucial.
(So I REPEAT: WHY is dead broke Toronto taking the financial risk with such unproven and costly technology?)
Public transit is already environmentally friendly, the report added. "By its nature, mass transit is green," it says.
But adopting new technology too quickly can cause such problems as unreliable vehicles, low customer and operator satisfaction, and high maintenance and operation costs, it adds.
(In other words- adopting new technology too quickly can lead to exactly the sort of problems the previous two generations of “green” TTC busses had! In addition- adopting new technology can lead to the sort of problems TTC had with their Presto car readers! Yet more proof of BAD LIE-beral business practice since they were warned that Presto was the newest and most costly and least tested card reader system available- but they went ahead anyway- with inevitable bad results!)
"As the TTC operates the largest bus fleet in Canada and the third largest in North America, however, we also have a role to play in the advancement of technologies that promise to offer significant safety, environmental, vehicle reliability, customer focused improvements."
(And maybe Silly Hall spending priorities are DEAD WRONG? Maybe they should leave the risks of developing an entirely new industry to others and worry about repairing social housing before it is ALL condemned as unfit to live in- as those 150 plus townhouses in the Jane/Finch area were last summer! Yes- over 150 city owned slum dwellings were torn down because they were to rotten to repair! So instead if simply repairing existing units- the city now has to find the EXTRA money to start over again from nothing with those units!)
(And the city has yet to do anything about Gardiner Expressway- except to quietly decide to let it DIE of neglect! Silly Hall would rather tear down Gardiner and close off portions of the city rather than make needed repairs! The Silly Hall War on Cars is in full swing- but they have yet to build ANY new transit as a desperately needed alternative! Toronto Silly Hall is driving blind and bankrupt into the future! The wonderful Silly Hall vision of the future is clouded by gravy!)
there is something counter intuitive about India and China being leaders in the alt vehicle field along with a place like Norway.
It would seem early adopters fall into the need to and the want to categories.
China and India need to simply as a matter of survival. Their pollution problems are critical and they cannot go on as before and they fully understand that,
In Norway's case they could ignore alt energy altogether and it would be fine. Except that they are educated people who understand that the world needs to adapt and that they can contribute to thus by adapting.
It would seem early adopters fall into the need to and the want to categories.
China and India need to simply as a matter of survival. Their pollution problems are critical and they cannot go on as before and they fully understand that,
In Norway's case they could ignore alt energy altogether and it would be fine. Except that they are educated people who understand that the world needs to adapt and that they can contribute to thus by adapting.
While I normally try to restrain myself from calling people idiots, I quit reading your post after the second sentence for fear I might succumb to the temptation. Please remember there are other valid opinions besides your and some no doubt that are even more valid, so get off your high horse! :lol:
He writes like a juvenile with large fonts and overuse of certain words that he thinks will put emphasis on what he says but only serves to turn people off....even those that agree with what he says...
Yep, LIEBERALS is boring and never was funny. Small things amuse small minds! :lol:
Yeah right - they are building an electric vehicle without a power supply. Got any more gems worthy of an ostrich personality?
Well, thanks to people like CM there is a resistance to modernization among the intellectually deprived. However, anyone who bothers to research the topic of clean energy knows that it is advancing on so many fronts that it is going to be impossible to stop. That is why climate deniers hate people like Elon Musk and nations like Germany so much, because they are going ahead with green energy despite the naysayers. Even worse multiple private companies in the US are going ahead with huge green energy projects in addition to those already completed.
Oh POOR HOID! Scrambling so hard to find some way to defend the electric TOY cars that are so beloved of gravy grabbing LIE-berals!
For instance he THINKS it is a demonstration of virtue that India and China have started to adopt electric toy vehicles! AS IF THEY HAD A CHOICE!
BOTH India and China are struggling to grow their economies and to put millions of people to work in some fashion! Neither China nor India have the money needed to buy oil that is ALWAYS PRICED IN YANKEE DOLLARS!
So those electric Toy vehicles are something they CAN produce locally and at prices THEY can afford! Best of all- Chinese and Indian population densities are an advantage for electric TOYS! No need to worry about battery range when there are a million customers just a few blocks away! And given the generally WARM climates in these countries- there is NO NEED to worry about col weather killing the batteries of those electric TOYS!
Economics and logic dictate that electric Toy cars will not work well in Canada! But greedy gravy grabbing LIE-berals persist in trying to force us to feed their greed by suckering us into buying the electric Toys!! And LIE-berals WONDER why they are doing POORLY in election polls? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
LIE-beral policy on electric Toy vehicles REEKS of greed and privilege and hypocrisy! Consider"
Here is what is wrong with electric Toy vehicles in Canada:
Here is a chunk of LIE-beral propaganda that tries and fails to persuade us that electric cars will be good for us! With some comments of my own in brackets):
Why Lorrie Goldstein is wrong about electric cars
Alan Hayes, Special to the Toronto Sun. First posted: Thursday, November 03, 2016 05:41 PM EDT | Updated: Thursday, November 03, 2016 05:45 PM EDT
Trudeau Liberals set to join Wynne Liberals in helping rich people buy electric cars. Questions after Murray staffer takes post with Tesla
Re Lorrie Goldstein’s column “Trudeau Liberals set to join Wynne Liberals in helping rich people buy electric cars.”
I own and operate EcoLimo Niagara. This is a local Niagara company specializing in zero-emission transportation. I operate a Tesla Model S, providing the ultimate “Eco-Friendly” wine tours, airport transfers, sightseeing, etc.
(That`s nice- Tesla model S is the LUXURY vehicle sold to environmentally conscious MILLIONAIRES!)
I previously owned and operated EcoLimo York Region for 10 years, where I provided low-emission transportation with hybrid vehicles.
(Oh my- you had HYBRID vehicles? In an OPEN admission that an all electric car simply does not have the range NOR the swift refueling capacity and convenience of a gasoline car?)
I am a proponent of Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne’s Electric Vehicle (EV) incentive program as I see this is a great way to help get more electric vehicles into the taxi and airport transfer industry.
(Sadly- as other Toronto Sun writers have proved- the great majority of those who support electric cars do so FOR THE GOVT SUBSIDIES!)
We currently have thousands of gas-guzzling vehicles burning millions of gallons of gasoline and propane in vehicles that often carry just one passenger.
If the owners of these vehicles could use substantial incentives to purchase electric vehicles and/or plug-in hybrids, we could reduce our carbon footprint by a huge amount.
(Sadly, we cannot afford such subsidies! One has only to look at the latest tv commercials in this summer of 2017- in which the gas powered Nissan Qashqai is offered at $20,000.00 Cdn while the new Tesla model 3 is offered at $35,000.00 U.S! Which makes the model 3 about DOUBLE the cost of a gas powered Nissan! With the added bonus that the Model 3 is untested in real world conditions and has that pesky limited range and awkward refueling deal as well as the extra cost! With the further bonus that Nissan parts are available off the shelf at various retail outlets while Tesla parts are offered at.......some place......?)
(Sadly, Hayes IGNORES a quicker, cheaper and vastly easier method of cutting down on green house gas emissions! We COULD simply cut back on the gravy we pay to civil service union Hogs! An admittedly informal survey reveals that the majority of those lining up at any airport are Hogs! And why not? We pay them at least one third MORE than similar workers in the private sector- and that does NOT include their HUGE pension rip off! Ontari-owe LIE-berals have promised an extra fifty five Billion dollars in pension top ups to OSSTF/Ontari-owe high school teachers- with EIGHTEEN other unions promised hundreds of billions more! Cut gravy payments to Hogs and watch our air miraculously CLEAR!)
(Think of the THOUSANDS of ATV`s, riding lawn mowers, sea- doos and all those HUGE gas guzzling motor boats rumbling along waterways at gallons per mile and NOT miles per gallon! Think of the “bubble systems” those eldctrically powere air compressors that pump air into pipes laid on lake bottoms to keep water stirred up for 6 months each year so Hogs will not have ice damage on their precious cedar constructions!)
Lorrie wrote:
“The emission cuts are so low because few people buy electric cars, with good reason.
“Electric vehicles are more expensive than conventional ones and have limited range, which decreases in cold weather.
“Who buys them? Rich people.”
(Goldstein fails to mention that Lithium- the major component in any battery is at least as toxic as oil ans may be WORSE! Additionally, Lithium may be in SHORTER supply than oil. And Lithium is highly flammable if exposed to air- as my happen in a car crash where the battery case is damaged -which will produce a major fire that no Cnd fire dept is currently equipped to deal with!)
This doesn’t sound like someone who has- I quote from his reply to me: “Nothing against the owners of electric cars” and has “no problem with me or anyone else buying an electric car or taking advantage of an available public subsidy.”
(Lorrie said he was against the government giving out such a subsidy. Generally Motors has announced that it will LOSE $9,000.00 U.S. on every electric car it manages to sell in California- with the losses made up by higher prices on all other GM products! Sounds like a great way to encourage fraud and fakery when buying a car along the state lines!)
He mentioned a few, very highly priced electric vehicles like the Porsche 918 Spyder BMW I8, Fisker Karma & Tesla Roadster.
These are a fraction of the electric cars sold in Canada.
Strange he didn’t mention cars like the Nissan Leaf, Chevy Volt etc. that have far more substantive sales.
(AS other Sun reporters have noted- the ONLY people supporting electric cars are a few eccentric millionaires and a batch of others who are getting major subsidies at OUR cost!)
The point of using public money to encourage early adopters to move to cleaner technology, is that gas fuelled cars are polluting public air with health-compromising pollution and greenhouse gases leading to global warming.
Lorrie wrote: “The government has now limited subsidies to electric cars costing up to $150,000. An upper limit of $50,000 would at least be more reasonable”.
This does not show that the higher subsidies are capped at $75,000.
(Who cares about which upper limit is more reasonable? Most Cdns think the nine grand GM is offering is Bull-s++t! And comparing Nissan Qashqai to Tesla model 3 prices ain`t helping!)
Wouldn’t it have been better if he said that the government has capped the subsidies of electric cars costing $75,000 and that electric vehicles that cost between $75,000 and$150,000 now have a much lower subsidy of $3,000?
I am a member of a few local electric car clubs/groups and there are many Tesla owners who are not “rich people”.
(Its all a matter of perspective- after all- thousands of cdns on the Sunshine List do not define themselves as rich!)
Although I am sure there are some wealthy Tesla owners out there, many of them are just ordinary middle class people that understand the value of an electric car’s very low operating costs, not to mention the environmental benefits.
I invited Lorrie to attend a meeting or two of any of a number of electric vehicle car clubs/groups to meet the early adopters, as he would then have a better insight towards local electric vehicle owners, their cars and why they are the groundbreakers of the future!
I’m still working on Lorrie to go to one or two of these meetings!
(I aks: Why don’t you quit wasting time with Lorrie and put up a comprehensive list of who is getting what subsidies in exchange for their electric car support?)
- Hayes operates EcoLimoNiagara dot com
(And apparently he has a nice little sideline as an electric car booster- probably with suitable govt subsidies!)
Do those look high tech and ground breaking to you?
18650s powering camcorders and Teslas since 1990.
18650 Battery Cell Invented in China
The cylinder 18650 Battery Cell refers to the appearance of the battery size: 18 mm diameter, 65 mm. These cylindrical lithium-ion batteries are widely used in laptops, electrical tools, medical equipment and mobile power plants, and other fields. Not only this, 18650 lithium-ion battery Cells are also widely used on electric vehicles. In the US, Tesla is reported to be a pure lithium battery powered electric car using cylindrical Japanese 18650, its material is nickel cobalt aluminum. Domestically, electric vehicles (also known as high-speed electric vehicles) also uses a large number of 18650 lithium battery pack as a power source.
At present, China, Japan, and South Korea have the mass manufacturing capacity of cylindrical 18650 from 2000 mah, 2200 mah to 2600 mah capacity. but for capacity more than the 3000mah, The technology of Japan and South Korea is ahead of China. For lithium ion technology, the more a battery cell power density, the greater complexity of manufacturing will be, But we are willing to take the challenge.
In recent years, due to national new industrial policy energy, a large number of capitals has flushed into the area of lithium battery production, only last year, enterprises in China lithium R & D batteries and the production of investment funds amounted to over 150 billion RMB.After the litiya of China, the batteries and lithium batteries of the materials, many research units and production enterprises working tirelessly, lithium batteries and the technology package have achieved rapid success.
According to China, the “13th Five-year Plan” for the deployment by 2020, the power of the battery, compared to 300 w/kg.
The kit for Dr. Chang Fjuren led the research group, started the monomer 4050mah 18650 Battery research work, after several tests, final success research and development it is clear that monomer 4050 mah 18650 batteries through the use of new materials and new technology, monomer 18650 batteries than the specific energy of 306 w/kg, whereas the current regular block of 18650 batteries on 255 w * H/kg In comparison, energy increases by 50 wh/kg, so that the time of each period can be increased by 40 per cent.
It is worth noting that this capacity of the lithium batteries used in electric bicycles, with lightweight, the battery is smaller, the mileage is more advantageous, will be able to fully demonstrate the weight of the lithium bike.
Monomer 4050 mah 18650 battery research and development success, so that Ultra Granville is ahead of the country in order to accomplish the planned task and it has become possible at home and abroad, highly “subversive” technological revolutions. At present the “Super Granville” is a product of a national patent for the invention and low of the trial, it is planned to complete the pipeline next year.
Do those look high tech and ground breaking to you?
18650s powering camcorders and Teslas since 1990.
18650 Battery Cell Invented in China
The cylinder 18650 Battery Cell refers to the appearance of the battery size: 18 mm diameter, 65 mm. These cylindrical lithium-ion batteries are widely used in laptops, electrical tools, medical equipment and mobile power plants, and other fields. Not only this, 18650 lithium-ion battery Cells are also widely used on electric vehicles. In the US, Tesla is reported to be a pure lithium battery powered electric car using cylindrical Japanese 18650, its material is nickel cobalt aluminum. Domestically, electric vehicles (also known as high-speed electric vehicles) also uses a large number of 18650 lithium battery pack as a power source.
At present, China, Japan, and South Korea have the mass manufacturing capacity of cylindrical 18650 from 2000 mah, 2200 mah to 2600 mah capacity. but for capacity more than the 3000mah, The technology of Japan and South Korea is ahead of China. For lithium ion technology, the more a battery cell power density, the greater complexity of manufacturing will be, But we are willing to take the challenge.
In recent years, due to national new industrial policy energy, a large number of capitals has flushed into the area of lithium battery production, only last year, enterprises in China lithium R & D batteries and the production of investment funds amounted to over 150 billion RMB.After the litiya of China, the batteries and lithium batteries of the materials, many research units and production enterprises working tirelessly, lithium batteries and the technology package have achieved rapid success.
According to China, the “13th Five-year Plan” for the deployment by 2020, the power of the battery, compared to 300 w/kg.
The kit for Dr. Chang Fjuren led the research group, started the monomer 4050mah 18650 Battery research work, after several tests, final success research and development it is clear that monomer 4050 mah 18650 batteries through the use of new materials and new technology, monomer 18650 batteries than the specific energy of 306 w/kg, whereas the current regular block of 18650 batteries on 255 w * H/kg In comparison, energy increases by 50 wh/kg, so that the time of each period can be increased by 40 per cent.
It is worth noting that this capacity of the lithium batteries used in electric bicycles, with lightweight, the battery is smaller, the mileage is more advantageous, will be able to fully demonstrate the weight of the lithium bike.
Monomer 4050 mah 18650 battery research and development success, so that Ultra Granville is ahead of the country in order to accomplish the planned task and it has become possible at home and abroad, highly “subversive” technological revolutions. At present the “Super Granville” is a product of a national patent for the invention and low of the trial, it is planned to complete the pipeline next year.
I have already posted several links to new battery tech. Tell me something I don't already know.
Are they in use?
LET’S TALK ABOUT THE PANASONIC NCR18650B
Posted by François BoucherOn 22/01/20164 CommentsPanasonic NCR18650BCategories: Batteries, François Boucher
Tesla Model S battery packs are composed of Lithium Ion 18650B batteries. Unless you are technically savvy, for many, this could just as well be in Klingon. Let’s try to break it down a little (or welcome to Klingon 101
More camcorder batteries like the 2170 are still camcorders batteries using 1870s telegraph style battery banks.
Is it cool when one cell out of a couple hundred fails?
For bigger, badder brighter flashlights.
LET’S TALK ABOUT THE PANASONIC NCR18650B
Posted by François BoucherOn 22/01/20164 CommentsPanasonic NCR18650BCategories: Batteries, François Boucher
Tesla Model S battery packs are composed of Lithium Ion 18650B batteries. Unless you are technically savvy, for many, this could just as well be in Klingon. Let’s try to break it down a little (or welcome to Klingon 101
More camcorder batteries like the 2170 are still camcorders batteries using 1870s telegraph style battery banks.
Is it cool when one cell out of a couple hundred fails?
For bigger, badder brighter flashlights.
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Oh my! LIE-berals are creating a whole new source of wind power- all together now- gasp out your outrage and try to BLOW ME AWAY!!!
Your electric toy vehicle scam is exposed! Your mouldy GREEN ENERGY MESS has destroyed the political career of Wynne-bag and her LIE-berals!
The desperate gravy grabbing of LIE-beral party has forced storm clouds over the former Sunny Ways of Our idiot Boy Justin as his pipeline strategy is flushed down a sewer pipe!
The Paris Accord- so beloved of Our idiot Boy Justin has been exposed as an even bigger failure than the Kyoto Accord!
The proof is piling up- even faster than Wynne-bag LIE-beral balanced budget LIES- that carbon crap and trade WILL not clean the air- it will only clean wallets!
The carbon commitments made by Our idiot Boy were set at the level that Conservative Harper wanted- and which LIE-berals SCORNED at the time- and now the evidence is CLEAR that Our idiot Boy wont reach the targets either! In fact emissions are UP instead of down!
And how stupid does B.C. premier Horgan look- he is a LIE-beral and thus supported Our idiot Boy when he told us that "he wanted to shut down the entire Cdn oil patch"- and now here we are with Alberta NDP Notley holding in her hands the LEGAL POWER TO SHUT OFF OIL SHIPMENTS TO B.C.
And the Hogan response is: I WILL SUE IF YOU SHUT OFF OUR OIL!!!!!!!!
And B.C. voters who despise Cdn oil patch are WHINING because the price of oil IS SO HIGH NOW! And lets ask WHY IT MATTERS- since LIE-beral policy IS TO PUT OIL PRICES UP SO HIGH WE STOP USING THE STUFF!
Meanwhile- Our idiot Boy who wants to shut down the Cdn oil patch is assuring us the KINDER MORGAN PIPELINE - which will be USED TO EXPORT ALBERTA OIL IS AN ESSENTIAL NATIONAL ECONOMIC TOOL AND WILL BE BUILT over B.C. protests!!!!!
All LIE-beral policy is FAILING -and it is spinning in circles like turds in a flushed toilet!
LIE-berals wanted desperately to be in charge and to have the chance to implement their policies and they got their wish! And the LIE-beral results are such that it brings to mind the old saying about "being careful what you wish for because you might just get it"!
The LIE-beral wish for power and influence is turning into a debt ridden political NIGHTMARE!!!!! The way things are going it will take them TWENTY YEARS to recover from their current MESS!
WE need only look at the NDP Bob Rae fiasco in Ontari-owe to catch a clear glimpse of the LIE-beral future!
Oh well- Our idiot Boy can go back to his dram classes and Wynne-bag can write a fictional account of how she balanced the Ontari-owe Budget!
And rank and file LIE-berals can find new careers as stand up comics- explaining to the public what went wrong!
LIE-berals FORCED into retirement in disgrace will need new hobbies!