58 dead in Gaza
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Hamas has claimed 50 of the dead were Hamas members, Islamic Jihad has claimed another three.
That means one thing:
GOOD SHOOTING, IDF!!!!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-official-50-of-the-people-killed-in-gaza-riots-were-members/
That means one thing:
GOOD SHOOTING, IDF!!!!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-official-50-of-the-people-killed-in-gaza-riots-were-members/
The victims , that just happened to be storming a border with Molotov cocktails . Those victims . The ones that were paid one hundred dollars to storm the border , by their benevolent leaders who were comfortably sitting comfortably behind ooglingbaby goats . Those victims . The ones whose benevolent leaders insure they are able to earn as much as seven dollars on a normal day . Those victims . The ones who have been taught hate by leaders who live in the lap of luxury ( ala Yasir aren’t I fat ) all the while you starve . Yes sir let’s blame Israel for protecting its border .
What's with the Moses? You knew that is Moses right?You're an idiot or a sadistic lunatic.
Want a one way ticket to fight the US backed Jew thugs? I can set you up with accommodation in Gaza.
Be a man not a cliche.
Postenpflicht
"It required SS guards to shoot prisoners who tried to escape or engage in resistance and to do so without verbal warning or a warning shot. This was relevant for example regarding the so-called "death strip" next to camp fences. The area next to these fences was off-limits and anyone getting too close to it was, in accordance with the Postenpflicht, killed without warning."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postenpflicht
Many people always mention the Hamas charter and that it intends to wipe Israel off the map or something along those lines ....
It is not true ..... The charter was changed in 1998.
Palestinian National Covenant
The PLO Charter as amended in 1968 also called for the destruction of Israel, they did get around to changing it until 1998. This, however, was not seen as an obstacle to the negotiation of The Oslo Accords in 1993.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Charter
On the Hamas Charter and a Palestinian State:
The most important thing is what Hamas is doing and the policies it is adopting today. The world must deal with what Hamas is practicing today. Hamas has accepted the national reconciliation document. It has accepted a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders including East Jerusalem, dismantling settlements, and the right of return based on a long term truce. Hamas has represented a clear political program through a unity government. This is Hamas's program regardless of the historic documents. Hamas has offered a vision. Therefore, it's not logical for the international community to get stuck on sentences written 20 years ago. It's not logical for the international community to judge Hamas based on these sentences and stay silent when Israel destroys and kills our people.
--Transcript: Interview With Khaled Meshal of Hamas
Following are translated excerpts from an interview with Khaled Meshal, the Hamas leader, in his office in Damascus on May 3rd and 4th: He spoke in Arabic., The New York Times, May 05, 2009--
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/world/middleeast/05Meshal-transcript.html
"AMY GOODMAN: But you hear repeatedly, Hamas has in its charter a call for the destruction of Israel. And how do you guarantee that these thousands of rockets that threaten the people of Israel don’t continue?"
"NOAM CHOMSKY: Very simple. First of all, Hamas charter means practically nothing. The only people who pay attention to it are Israeli propagandists, who love it. It was a charter put together by a small group of people under siege, under attack in 1988. And it’s essentially meaningless. There are charters that mean something, but they’re not talked about. So, for example, the electoral program of Israel’s governing party, Likud, states explicitly that there can never be a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. And they not only state it in their charter, that’s a call for the destruction of Palestine, explicit call for it. And they don’t only have it in their charter, you know, their electoral program, but they implement it. That’s quite different from the Hamas charter."
--Democracy Now, Noam Chomsky: Israel’s Actions in Palestine are "Much Worse Than Apartheid" in South Africa, August 07, 2014--
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_israel_is_doing
Every now and than you get to hear Israelis argue that we cannot have peace with the Palestinians or even withdraw from the West Bank because Hamas still opposes the idea of a Jewish state and more, importantly, because the Palestinian National Charter, the PLO’s binding document, still states that the Palestinians have a right to Mandate Palestine in its entirety, and that the “Zionist occupation” of the land is illegal.
But have a look at article 1(b) of the constitution of the Likud, Israel’s ruling party. Turns out the Likud never accepted the idea of partition either and its stated goal remains to settle and annex as much territory as possible.
This is the official translation of the constitution to English, taken from PM Benjamin Netanyahu’s own website:
http://en.netanyahu.org.il/likud/constitution
Article 2: General purposes
"1. The Likud is a national-liberal party which advocates the ingathering of the exiles, the integrity of the Jewish homeland, human freedom and social justice, and it strives to achieve these goals:
[…]
b. Safeguarding the right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel as an eternal, inalienable right, working diligently to settle and develop all parts of the land of Israel, and extending national sovereignty to them."
Coteret | News, analysis and opinion from the Israeli Hebrew print and electronic media
"It required SS guards to shoot prisoners who tried to escape or engage in resistance and to do so without verbal warning or a warning shot. This was relevant for example regarding the so-called "death strip" next to camp fences. The area next to these fences was off-limits and anyone getting too close to it was, in accordance with the Postenpflicht, killed without warning."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postenpflicht
Many people always mention the Hamas charter and that it intends to wipe Israel off the map or something along those lines ....
It is not true ..... The charter was changed in 1998.
Palestinian National Covenant
The PLO Charter as amended in 1968 also called for the destruction of Israel, they did get around to changing it until 1998. This, however, was not seen as an obstacle to the negotiation of The Oslo Accords in 1993.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Charter
On the Hamas Charter and a Palestinian State:
The most important thing is what Hamas is doing and the policies it is adopting today. The world must deal with what Hamas is practicing today. Hamas has accepted the national reconciliation document. It has accepted a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders including East Jerusalem, dismantling settlements, and the right of return based on a long term truce. Hamas has represented a clear political program through a unity government. This is Hamas's program regardless of the historic documents. Hamas has offered a vision. Therefore, it's not logical for the international community to get stuck on sentences written 20 years ago. It's not logical for the international community to judge Hamas based on these sentences and stay silent when Israel destroys and kills our people.
--Transcript: Interview With Khaled Meshal of Hamas
Following are translated excerpts from an interview with Khaled Meshal, the Hamas leader, in his office in Damascus on May 3rd and 4th: He spoke in Arabic., The New York Times, May 05, 2009--
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/world/middleeast/05Meshal-transcript.html
"AMY GOODMAN: But you hear repeatedly, Hamas has in its charter a call for the destruction of Israel. And how do you guarantee that these thousands of rockets that threaten the people of Israel don’t continue?"
"NOAM CHOMSKY: Very simple. First of all, Hamas charter means practically nothing. The only people who pay attention to it are Israeli propagandists, who love it. It was a charter put together by a small group of people under siege, under attack in 1988. And it’s essentially meaningless. There are charters that mean something, but they’re not talked about. So, for example, the electoral program of Israel’s governing party, Likud, states explicitly that there can never be a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. And they not only state it in their charter, that’s a call for the destruction of Palestine, explicit call for it. And they don’t only have it in their charter, you know, their electoral program, but they implement it. That’s quite different from the Hamas charter."
--Democracy Now, Noam Chomsky: Israel’s Actions in Palestine are "Much Worse Than Apartheid" in South Africa, August 07, 2014--
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_israel_is_doing
Every now and than you get to hear Israelis argue that we cannot have peace with the Palestinians or even withdraw from the West Bank because Hamas still opposes the idea of a Jewish state and more, importantly, because the Palestinian National Charter, the PLO’s binding document, still states that the Palestinians have a right to Mandate Palestine in its entirety, and that the “Zionist occupation” of the land is illegal.
But have a look at article 1(b) of the constitution of the Likud, Israel’s ruling party. Turns out the Likud never accepted the idea of partition either and its stated goal remains to settle and annex as much territory as possible.
This is the official translation of the constitution to English, taken from PM Benjamin Netanyahu’s own website:
http://en.netanyahu.org.il/likud/constitution
Article 2: General purposes
"1. The Likud is a national-liberal party which advocates the ingathering of the exiles, the integrity of the Jewish homeland, human freedom and social justice, and it strives to achieve these goals:
[…]
b. Safeguarding the right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel as an eternal, inalienable right, working diligently to settle and develop all parts of the land of Israel, and extending national sovereignty to them."
Coteret | News, analysis and opinion from the Israeli Hebrew print and electronic media
Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It
By Mehdi Hasan
February 19, 2018
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict
A former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)
“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009.
http://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html
Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.
“When I look back at the chain of events, I think we made a mistake,” David Hacham, a former Arab affairs expert in the Israeli military who was based in Gaza in the 1980s, later remarked. “But at the time, nobody thought about the possible results.”
By Mehdi Hasan
February 19, 2018
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict
A former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)
“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009.
http://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html
Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.
“When I look back at the chain of events, I think we made a mistake,” David Hacham, a former Arab affairs expert in the Israeli military who was based in Gaza in the 1980s, later remarked. “But at the time, nobody thought about the possible results.”
Yeah, like I also am supposed to shed tears for the Nazis my uncle killed in World War Two.
Funny how you drooling morons call anyone to the right of Che Guevara a "Nazi", but those who declare their commitment to the complete genocide of Jews are "victims"
****ing idiots.
Back in 2011, Thomas Friedman promised that an unarmed Palestinian mass march would “stimulate a real peace debate within Israel.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/opinion/25friedman.html
Announce that every Friday from today forward will be “Peace Day,” and have thousands of West Bank Palestinians march nonviolently to Jerusalem, carrying two things — an olive branch in one hand and a sign in Hebrew and Arabic in the other. The sign should say: “Two states for two peoples. We, the Palestinian people, offer the Jewish people a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders — with mutually agreed adjustments — including Jerusalem, where the Arabs will control their neighborhoods and the Jews theirs.”
If Palestinians peacefully march to Jerusalem by the thousands every Friday with a clear peace message, it would become a global news event. Every network in the world would be there. Trust me, it would stimulate a real peace debate within Israel — especially if Palestinians invited youth delegations from around the Arab world to join the marches, carrying the Saudi peace initiative in Hebrew and Arabic. Israeli Jews and Arabs should be invited to march as well. Together, the marchers could draw up their own peace maps and upload them onto YouTube as a way of telling their leaders what Egyptian youth said to President Hosni Mubarak: “We’re not going to let you waste another day of our lives with your tired mantras and maneuvering.”
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/979750915895910401
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/opinion/25friedman.html
Announce that every Friday from today forward will be “Peace Day,” and have thousands of West Bank Palestinians march nonviolently to Jerusalem, carrying two things — an olive branch in one hand and a sign in Hebrew and Arabic in the other. The sign should say: “Two states for two peoples. We, the Palestinian people, offer the Jewish people a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders — with mutually agreed adjustments — including Jerusalem, where the Arabs will control their neighborhoods and the Jews theirs.”
If Palestinians peacefully march to Jerusalem by the thousands every Friday with a clear peace message, it would become a global news event. Every network in the world would be there. Trust me, it would stimulate a real peace debate within Israel — especially if Palestinians invited youth delegations from around the Arab world to join the marches, carrying the Saudi peace initiative in Hebrew and Arabic. Israeli Jews and Arabs should be invited to march as well. Together, the marchers could draw up their own peace maps and upload them onto YouTube as a way of telling their leaders what Egyptian youth said to President Hosni Mubarak: “We’re not going to let you waste another day of our lives with your tired mantras and maneuvering.”
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/979750915895910401
This was a case of applied terror by Netanyahu's thugs. The killings were done by snipers well out the way projectiles and inflicted on protesters who had nothing like lethal weaponry. A lesson learned from Hitler's SS on selective murder to keep imprisoned populations in check.
The occupation of the West Bank is wrong on so many levels.
Give it back to the Christians and Muslims.
Give it back to the Christians and Muslims.
1970: 1 million residents in Gaza and the West Bank.
No immigration.
2018: 4.3 million residents in Gaza and the West Bank.
If the Israelis are committing genocide, they are incredibly bad at it.
1933: 12 million Jews in Europe.
1945: 6 million Jews in Europe.
Now that is genocide.
And that is what makes it so offensive for idiots to run around accusing Israel of genocide.
It is the ancient blood libel of Jews, created anew.
What's next? The Protocols of the Elders of Zion? All while claiming not to be bigots? Or Jew haters?