Budget 2018: Ontario Can't Afford Doug Ford's Cuts

[White_Unifier]

Of course we can afford it.

We have the strongest economy in the country and the G8.

We're paying for everyone else in equalization as well.

(Facts hurt, don't they?)

If we can afford it, why will it increase the provincial debt?

 

[coldstream]

Doug Ford is increasingly looking like a classic NeoConservative. A government deconstructivist, trickle downer, libertarian with no real affinity to social conservatism except as a cynical device to lock up a voter demographic.

The last thing Ontario needs is a Reagan/Thatcher globalist, monetarist and free marketeer with their mantra of dismantling and neutering government through deregulation, privatization.

Ontario and Canada need a true Conservative.. nationalist, dirigiste, populist and progressive. Someone who will invest in society and infrastructure. Someone not unlike Donald Trump.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Doug Ford is increasingly looking like a classic NeoConservative. A government deconstructivist, trickle downer, libertarian with no real affinity to social conservatism except as a cynical device to lock up a voter demographic.

The last thing Ontario needs is a Reagan/Thatcher globalist, monetarist and free marketeer with their mantra of dismantling and neutering government through deregulation, privatization.

Ontario and Canada need a true Conservative.. nationalist, dirigiste, populist and progressive. Someone who will invest in society and infrastructure. Someone not unlike Donald Trump.

Amen to that. My feelings, exactly.

 

[petros]

Doug Trump

 

[mentalfloss]

If we can afford it, why will it increase the provincial debt?

Because the increased debt is propelling our economic growth.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Doug Trump

The real shame of it is that the PC Party had a couple of good, solid people who would have been positive for Ontario but they threw it all away for Trump style wicky-wacky-woo.

 

[White_Unifier]

Because the increased debt is propelling our economic growth.

And how sustainable is debt-driven economic growth?

 

[JLM]

Doug Trump

Your in box may be full Pete!

Your in box may be full Pete!

Would anyone care to guess which idiot would pick that post to give a "thumbs down"? :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[mentalfloss]

And how sustainable is debt-driven economic growth?

If Ontario is the example, then it's extremely sustainable.

 

[taxslave]

Yes I can see how you might say that, but the truth is cowards run and make the same mess where they go...instead of fixing their own messes where they made them.

Look at the map...YOU are HERE

That is exactly how Alberta got stuck with a dipper government. Too many freeloaders moved there to take advantage of the offerings.

Someone really cares about the elites.

Ontario budget: Doug Ford takes the bait with Liberals' tax hike on top-income earners | CBC News

Someone should since they are the ones that pay the bulk of the taxes and create the jobs.

Of course we can afford it.

We have the strongest economy in the country and the G8.

We're paying for everyone else in equalization as well.

(Facts hurt, don't they?)

That is too far gone to even be funny. Pathetic is more like it. Ontario has always been a net collector of revenue from other provinces.

Because the increased debt is propelling our economic growth.

ROFLMFAO. You have no clue about economics.

 

[Jinentonix]

Of course we can afford it.

Riiiight, which is why the Wynned Bag is frantically begging Ontarians to donate their tax refunds. I guess the usury global adjustment tax grab isn't doing its job.

We have the strongest economy in the country and the G8.

A blip. Read the most recent Ontario Chamber of Commerce economic outlook. Not good.

we're paying for everyone else in equalization as well.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA you have NO idea how equalization payments are done, do you. All payments come out of general revenue. No province actually funds (or pays for) another province. You do realize that federal transfers come from direct taxation so obviously the province with the largest population is likely going to be the biggest payer, right?. Oh and by the way, Ontario didn't "pay" for Alberta, BC, SK, NL/Lab or any of the territories. Those provinces didn't receive any transfer payments (Ontario did though) and the territories aren't part of the federal transfer plan. But let's go along with your idiot premise. Are you happy then that Ontario is basically subsidizing Quebec's and Manitoba's hydro costs while Ontario's continues to skyrocket? I'll say this much for the Wynned Bag's policies. They've been great for our provincial neighbours and neighbouring states in the US.

(Facts hurt, don't they?)

Let me know when you actually post some.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Ontario poll suggests gap between Liberals and PCs has narrowed

The Progressive Conservatives would form a minority government if the provincial election were held now, after the Liberals narrowed the gap in the days following their pre-election budget, a new public opinion poll suggests.

The PCs, who have led in polls for the better part of a year, would win 57 seats, a Forum Research survey found. The Liberals would serve as opposition with 36 seats and the NDP would win 31 seats. Lorne Bozinoff, president of Forum, called the Liberal’s increase in support “as drastic as it is sudden.”
“If the Liberals can turn this spark of life into momentum, it could open the door just slightly toward a competitive race in June,” he said in a statement. “This budget looks like a good start for the provincial Liberals.”
According to the 728 randomly selected Ontario voters surveyed Wednesday and Thursday by Forum over the phone, 36 per cent would vote for the PCs, 29 per cent would vote Liberal and 26 per cent would vote for the NDP.
A previous Forum poll, conducted in mid-March, found that while almost half of Ontario voters disapproved of Doug Ford as leader, the party was poised for a majority government in the June 7 election with a projected 44 per cent of the vote.
“We’ve had the Tories in majority and at times, super majority territory, for the last two years,” Bozinoff said. “And during their leadership race, they were in super majority territory. This is an about-face for them.”
The new poll didn’t ask if respondents approved of Doug Ford as PC leader, but it did ask how they felt about the 2018 Ontario budget unveiled by Finance Minister Charles Sousa on Wednesday.
A plurality of 44 per cent of survey respondents disapproved of the budget, with only a quarter (24 per cent) in approval of the budget. A third, at 32 per cent, said they did not know whether they approved or disapproved.

“The budget itself is not super popular, but the individual components within the budget are hugely popular,” Bozinoff said.
Among the eight specific initiatives polled was spending to reduce overcrowding at hospitals with 74 per cent approval (17 per cent disapproved); free daycare with 53 per cent approval (41 per cent disapproved); eliminating co-pay or deductibles from senior prescriptions with 61 per cent approval (28 per cent disapproved); and expanding capacity at Sick Kids with 59 per cent approval (a quarter disapproved).
Bozinoff cautioned that the election would be a long race.
“This is like the first inning,” he said. “It shows that yes, elections matter, yes, the Liberals aren’t dead; there’s no forgone conclusions in this race. We can’t say because somebody is winning or losing right now, they’re going to win or lose on June the 7th.”
Survey results based on the total sample are considered accurate, plus or minus four percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

Vote buying at it's best

 

[mentalfloss]

Kathleen Wynne blasts Doug Ford as a ‘bulldozer’ in a china shop in post-budget speech
https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...er-in-a-china-shop-in-post-budget-speech.html

 

[Vbeacher]

Someone really cares about the elites.

Ontario budget: Doug Ford takes the bait with Liberals' tax hike on top-income earners | CBC News

Yeah, uh, the elites, like doctors and dentists, farmers and engineers, architects and computer scientists. Those are the people the likes of Wynne and Trudeau call 'elites' and 'rich'. Meanwhile, the REAL wealthy ones, who are their friends, buddies and supporters, the people who have spent their entire lives from childhood being driven around in limousines - you know, like Trudeau and Morneau, they get off without any hits at all.

I just heard him says the interest Ontario's debt is $1B a year.

What a waste.

In fact, Ontario pays over $1billion per MONTH in interest on our debt.

Kathleen Wynne blasts Doug Ford as a ‘bulldozer’ in a china shop in post-budget speech
https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...er-in-a-china-shop-in-post-budget-speech.html

Yeah, Ford is not my idea of a great leader.
Still, it's hard to imagine how he could possibly do worse than the more 'intelligent' Kathleen Wynne, whose government has screwed up every single file, from health care to road maintenance to electricity to family support. I can't think of a single thing they've done right in their fifteen years of deficit spending.

I have yet to find anyone who can explain how, after fifteen years of big tax increases and big spending increases, Ontario is even slightly better off than it was before the Liberals took power.

 

[White_Unifier]

Yeah, uh, the elites, like doctors and dentists, farmers and engineers, architects and computer scientists. Those are the people the likes of Wynne and Trudeau call 'elites' and 'rich'. Meanwhile, the REAL wealthy ones, who are their friends, buddies and supporters, the people who have spent their entire lives from childhood being driven around in limousines - you know, like Trudeau and Morneau, they get off without any hits at all.




In fact, Ontario pays over $1billion per MONTH in interest on our debt.



Yeah, Ford is not my idea of a great leader.
Still, it's hard to imagine how he could possibly do worse than the more 'intelligent' Kathleen Wynne, whose government has screwed up every single file, from health care to road maintenance to electricity to family support. I can't think of a single thing they've done right in their fifteen years of deficit spending.

I have yet to find anyone who can explain how, after fifteen years of big tax increases and big spending increases, Ontario is even slightly better off than it was before the Liberals took power.

She might have been able to sell me on a need to raise taxes to pay off the debt, but to raise taxes and still grow the debt is the worst of the worst. Not only did she raise taxes to prevent people from paying down their personal debts, but she then didn't even pay down the Provincial debt with it either.

 

[pgs]

Yeah, uh, the elites, like doctors and dentists, farmers and engineers, architects and computer scientists. Those are the people the likes of Wynne and Trudeau call 'elites' and 'rich'. Meanwhile, the REAL wealthy ones, who are their friends, buddies and supporters, the people who have spent their entire lives from childhood being driven around in limousines - you know, like Trudeau and Morneau, they get off without any hits at all.




In fact, Ontario pays over $1billion per MONTH in interest on our debt.



Yeah, Ford is not my idea of a great leader.
Still, it's hard to imagine how he could possibly do worse than the more 'intelligent' Kathleen Wynne, whose government has screwed up every single file, from health care to road maintenance to electricity to family support. I can't think of a single thing they've done right in their fifteen years of deficit spending.

I have yet to find anyone who can explain how, after fifteen years of big tax increases and big spending increases, Ontario is even slightly better off than it was before the Liberals took power.

Well if you put it that way I am sure glad we don’t live there .

 

[mentalfloss]

Yeah, uh, the elites, like doctors and dentists, farmers and engineers, architects and computer scientists. Those are the people the likes of Wynne and Trudeau call 'elites' and 'rich'. Meanwhile, the REAL wealthy ones, who are their friends, buddies and supporters, the people who have spent their entire lives from childhood being driven around in limousines - you know, like Trudeau and Morneau, they get off without any hits at all.




In fact, Ontario pays over $1billion per MONTH in interest on our debt.



Yeah, Ford is not my idea of a great leader.
Still, it's hard to imagine how he could possibly do worse than the more 'intelligent' Kathleen Wynne, whose government has screwed up every single file, from health care to road maintenance to electricity to family support. I can't think of a single thing they've done right in their fifteen years of deficit spending.

I have yet to find anyone who can explain how, after fifteen years of big tax increases and big spending increases, Ontario is even slightly better off than it was before the Liberals took power.

Ford doesn’t have a plan.

He's already done worse and Wynne has actually done quite well for the province.

 

[taxslave]

ford doesn’t have a plan.

He's already done better and wynne and her friends have actually done quite well by the province.

fify.

 

[Vbeacher]

Ford doesn’t have a plan.

He's already done worse and Wynne has actually done quite well for the province.

A serial killer has a plan. Would you vote for him because he has a plan? What is Wynne's plan? To run us into bankruptcy?

Because the increased debt is propelling our economic growth.

Evidence? Oh. None again?

 

[White_Unifier]

This coming election is Ford's to lose. All he needs to do is promise specific well-thought out but major spending cuts and not promise any tax cuts. He could express a desire to reduce taxes and a plan to reduce taxes to the extent that it does not result in a budget deficit but don't promise it and that should win him a ton of votes.