Tina Fontaine

[JLM]

I'm a little baffled as to why so many people are outraged over the acquittal of Raymond Cormier. From what I can gather there was very little direct evidence pointing to him as the culprit. Have people learned nothing from the case of David Milgaard? How would all these outraged people feel if it was one of them that was convicted on so little evidence? Do they not understand the phrase "beyond reasonable doubt"?

 

[Mowich]

I'm a little baffled as to why so many people are outraged over the acquittal of Raymond Cormier. From what I can gather there was very little direct evidence pointing to him as the culprit. Have people learned nothing from the case of David Milgaard? How would all these outraged people feel if it was one of them that was convicted on so little evidence? Do they not understand the phrase "beyond reasonable doubt"?

Coming, as this verdict did, so soon on the heels of the Stanley verdict, the ensuing furor was bound to happen, JLM. The root of the protests, marches, speeches and blog after blog on the internet is the belief by some, but hardly all, FNs that the justice system is rigged against them. Thus, when a not guilty plea is rendered in a trial that involves one of them, they are primed and ready to cry foul. It is not so much that they don't understand reasonable doubt as that they refuse to believe there ever was any. IMHO

 

[Danbones]

Well for SOME reason, in Canada, a child is dead, so something eFFed up.

 

[JLM]

Well for SOME reason, in Canada, a child is dead, so something eFFed up.

Some ONE effed up for sure, but likely not at the trial phase! Bringing the RIGHT people to justice is mandatory in determining the validity of the entire legal system.

 

[Curious Cdn]

As far as anyone of us can tell, the police just picked up a guy and put him on trial with no tangible evidence. That is sort of a hellish nightmare if Cormier had nothing to do with it.

 

[JLM]

As far as anyone of us can tell, the police just picked up a guy and put him on trial with no tangible evidence. That is sort of a hellish nightmare if Cormier had nothing to do with it.

There's a hundred different possibilities all the way from perfectly innocent to completely guilty, one being a minor role in a situation where someone entirely different committed the bulk of the crime. There's just too many unknown facts.

 

[Durry]

The Indians should stop laying the guilt trip on the Canadian people, the people that really failed Tina were her mother and the Indians themselves.

 

[Danbones]

Yes, natives line the hiway of death too...

Looks like the PTB are aiming to break a bunch of treaties and rezmatize the white people too one day, and with similar types of things

then it will be all their fault too...

 

[JLM]

The Indians should stop laying the guilt trip on the Canadian people, the people that really failed Tina were her mother and the Indians themselves.

Should that make it any easier to accept? I'd say more difficult!

 

[taxslave]

I'm a little baffled as to why so many people are outraged over the acquittal of Raymond Cormier. From what I can gather there was very little direct evidence pointing to him as the culprit. Have people learned nothing from the case of David Milgaard? How would all these outraged people feel if it was one of them that was convicted on so little evidence? Do they not understand the phrase "beyond reasonable doubt"?

He was already pronounced guilty in the court of Indian opinion. Understandably they want someone to pay, unfortunately they don't care who but would much prefer a white guy.

 

[captain morgan]

As far as anyone of us can tell, the police just picked up a guy and put him on trial with no tangible evidence. That is sort of a hellish nightmare if Cormier had nothing to do with it.

Between the police and the Crown prosecutor, they must have had enough of 'something' that justified them taking the next steps.

... Wouldn't surprise me if part of their decision was also based on having no other leads on other folks and what Fontaine and Cormier might have had in common were similar high(er) risk activities or ran in the same circles.

In any event, the above is no justification for Tina losing her life, but you can't help but ask the questions relative to what circumstances lead her into the situation (or lifestyle) that resulted in her death

 

[Twin_Moose]

I wonder how much influence that her Aunt and cousins were, they are charged with confinement of a 17 year old for prostitution, drugs, etc., Tina was splitting time between them and Cormier

 

[captain morgan]

I wonder how much influence that her Aunt and cousins were, they are charged with confinement of a 17 year old for prostitution, drugs, etc., Tina was splitting time between them and Cormier

I can't imagine that it offered any positive influences to her.

 

[Mowich]

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[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Between the police and the Crown prosecutor, they must have had enough of 'something' that justified them taking the next steps.

... Wouldn't surprise me if part of their decision was also based on having no other leads on other folks and what Fontaine and Cormier might have had in common were similar high(er) risk activities or ran in the same circles.

In any event, the above is no justification for Tina losing her life, but you can't help but ask the questions relative to what circumstances lead her into the situation (or lifestyle) that resulted in her death

I think they felt they had to proceed or be labelled racist. It does not sound like they had much of a case and if considered rationally, they would have not proceeded at least until they had more evidence.

 

[captain morgan]

I think they felt they had to proceed or be labelled racist. It does not sound like they had much of a case and if considered rationally, they would have not proceeded at least until they had more evidence.

I don't disagree with your statement, however, it would take a lots of balls for the Crown to take a default position of basically lynching some guy.

I can only imagine that if the prosecution had such a marginal and superficial position, the case would have died in the preliminary hearing(s).

That said, I wouldn't be terribly surprised that actions were taken to satisfy the optics of 'doing something' rather than have to declare that there was nothing they could do.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I don't disagree with your statement, however, it would take a lots of balls for the Crown to take a default position of basically lynching some guy.

I can only imagine that if the prosecution had such a marginal and superficial position, the case would have died in the preliminary hearing(s).

That said, I wouldn't be terribly surprised that actions were taken to satisfy the optics of 'doing something' rather than have to declare that there was nothing they could do.

They may have figured they had the best shot they were going to get. Jurys are a crapshoot anyhow and maybe they thought they would get lucky.

 

[Cliffy]

Nearly 150 years of shit and abuse by the Canadian government and racism by European decedents and you can't understand why they don't think they are being discriminated against. Just read the responses from all the racists on here and you will see that they may have something to be concerned about

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Nearly 150 years of shit and abuse by the Canadian government and racism by European decedents and you can't understand why they don't think they are being discriminated against. Just read the responses from all the racists on here and you will see that they may have something to be concerned about

None of this has anything to do with the evidence or lack of it in this case.

 

[Durry]

Nearly 150 years of shit and abuse by the Canadian government and racism by European decedents and you can't understand why they don't think they are being discriminated against. Just read the responses from all the racists on here and you will see that they may have something to be concerned about

They have never been treated better, gotten more for doing nothing and have had the best 150 years of life than any of their ancestors have ever had.

No society or race had ever had this kind of glorious treatment from anyone in the history of mankind.