Trump to plunge Middle East into 'fire with no end' with Jerusalem speech
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I pay very little attention to what goes on in the M.E. as it's been going on for 70 years! Is this a case of Trump sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong or is it part of a plan that was initiated before his time. (IF you don't have all the information quite often you have very little)
I don't think it's sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong. He's not sending troops. He didn't decide that Jerusalem is now Israel's capital city. The only thing he did was agree with the decision Israel made years ago, in 1980. The US Congress even agreed with Israel, and voted that way in 1995.
Political pundits will argue about his words, but that's all they are. Since the Arabs couldn't care less what the US says, what difference will it make?
They say that by "siding" with Israel, the US is stirring up trouble. I ask you, on your time on earth, even not paying that much attention to the ME, are you aware of any time where it's been peaceful there? Did peace talks ever work? Has the UN ever managed to ease tensions? Have Russia, the US or any other country made a difference there? No, nothing has changed.
What should the world do? Keep working towards peace there? Sure, but there has to be a tiny bit of will to want to end the violence. Any reason to kill or blow something up and there is always someone ready with a gun or some explosives.
There has to be a will to stop. That hasn't happened yet. They still want to fight and destroy each other.
A poor analogy perhaps, but former smokers can only say that they have quit when they are standing in a warehouse full of cigarettes and people lighting up, but not do it themselves. There has to be a will to quit.
Having spent some time there, in my limited experience, there is a lot of hate floating around. Hate for Jews. Hate for the US. Hate for Christians. Hate for Russians. Hate for Muslims. Hate for other ME countries. Hate for the UN. etc. What can you do?
Trump agreeing with Israel about Jerusalem will be used as an excuse to keep the bad times rolling. Claiming that he's adding to the tensions there is silly. It's never stopped.
Political pundits will argue about his words, but that's all they are. Since the Arabs couldn't care less what the US says, what difference will it make?
They say that by "siding" with Israel, the US is stirring up trouble. I ask you, on your time on earth, even not paying that much attention to the ME, are you aware of any time where it's been peaceful there? Did peace talks ever work? Has the UN ever managed to ease tensions? Have Russia, the US or any other country made a difference there? No, nothing has changed.
What should the world do? Keep working towards peace there? Sure, but there has to be a tiny bit of will to want to end the violence. Any reason to kill or blow something up and there is always someone ready with a gun or some explosives.
There has to be a will to stop. That hasn't happened yet. They still want to fight and destroy each other.
A poor analogy perhaps, but former smokers can only say that they have quit when they are standing in a warehouse full of cigarettes and people lighting up, but not do it themselves. There has to be a will to quit.
Having spent some time there, in my limited experience, there is a lot of hate floating around. Hate for Jews. Hate for the US. Hate for Christians. Hate for Russians. Hate for Muslims. Hate for other ME countries. Hate for the UN. etc. What can you do?
Trump agreeing with Israel about Jerusalem will be used as an excuse to keep the bad times rolling. Claiming that he's adding to the tensions there is silly. It's never stopped.
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I have to say that the Palestinian response is particularly barbaric. If they really had their stuff together, they could OWN Israel, just by out-Israeling the Israelis
Hmm - which brings a solution to mind...............relocate Trump's proposed wall and build it around the Israelis and Palestinians to keep them in and everyone else out and they can do what they want without harming anyone else!
When emotions rule..(as they do in this hot bed).....logic and reason goes out the window. This rage (primal and tribal) has been building for sometime.......so it does not take much to set things off now. this situation is no small matter to them.
What do they get out of this ??
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The Trump america will have t o live with the consequences. However The Trump gang will probably spin it to make the US look favorable. Only not sure anyone's going to buy into it.There is a good reason that previous presidents backed away from doing this. things might settle down after a while......but the rage will simmer on. Needless to say things are a lot more complicated now.There is nothing the Palestinians can do. They have been sacrificed on the alter of western guilt.
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Only if they fill with water after they build it.
There is nothing the Palestinians can do. They have been sacrificed on the alter of western guilt.
A) the map is a lie. There was never anything called Palestine.
British Mandate, and before that, occupied by the Ottomans.
B) This is what happens when you lose the war. Time after time.
No one complained when the Germans lost territory.. or the French,.. or anyone else.
There is nothing the Palestinians can do. They have been sacrificed on the alter of western guilt.
The Arab nations minus Jordan have sacrificed the Palestinians just the same. The reason why i say this is because Jordan is the only Arab nation to grant citizenship to any Palestinians, while the rest of the Arab nations have done nothing which has ensured that the rest of the Palestinians remain stateless refugees who continue to suffer more than they need too.
If the west just let the Ottoman Empire die out on its own/break up on its own then the majority of these problems wouldn't exist. Hell Baghdad would probably be predominately Jewish still....
On another note, Hamas is not a group to be trusted. They are just a bunch of religious zealots who want to create a Caliphate. At least Fatah has Christians in their membership, although they are both terrorist organizations.
Hezbollah? They are just a extension of Iran meant to spread Shiite Islam in the Sunni region...
Abraham would be pleased.. a homeland for his people after all with the capital where it should be.. Jerusalem
The only Gad dam thing Trump has done right so far.
The only Gad dam thing Trump has done right so far.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_entry_into_World_War_I
The Ottoman Empire's entry into World War I began when its navy carried out a surprise attack on Russia's Black Sea coast on 29 October 1914, following which Russia declared war on it on 1 November 1914. Russia's allies, Britain and France, then declared war on the Ottoman Empire on 5 November 1914. The reasons for the Ottoman action were not immediately clear, since the Empire was not formally allied with any of the great powers.[1] This decision would ultimately lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Ottomans and the eventual dissolution of the empire and abolition of the Islamic Caliphate.[2][3][4]
After the war, the victors took over administration of the areas captured by them.
Having said that, it's obvious the British and French have made massively stupid decisions in the Middle East, which we are still paying for today.
The US isn't involving itself. Except probably in the minds of Jew haters. The US is simply moving their embassy to the capital city which makes perfect sense.Except to the afore mentioned Jew haters that want Israel to cease to exist.
Did you not understand yet that it was Slick Willie that first passed the law to make this happen?