Trump to plunge Middle East into 'fire with no end' with Jerusalem speech

Cliffy

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An Urgent Plea to President Donald Trump from Jews Worldwide
December 6, 2017
Dear Mr. President,
As you are currently considering a United States declaration regarding the city of Jerusalem, please allow us of Neturei Karta International [NKI], to give you a little background on the traditional Jewish position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. NKI represents anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews true to our Torah, living throughout the world, including in the Holy Land and Jerusalem.
Zionism, the movement that created the State of Israel, is the complete opposite of traditional Jewish belief. Judaism is subservience to the Almighty, while Zionism is its total transformation into nationalism. In regard to creating a Jewish State, ever since the destruction of the Jewish Temple, 2000 years ago, Jews have been in exile by Divine decree and are forbidden to make a sovereign state of their own, rebel against any nation and certainly are forbidden to kill others or take the land of another people. From the time the Zionist movement was founded, rabbis from all Jewish communities worldwide spoke out against it, unanimously.
In July 1947 when the United Nations was considering the Partition Plan, the Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky, came and testified before the UN’s committee, saying, “We wish to express our definite opposition to a Jewish state in any part of Palestine.” Several months later, on November 18, 1947 when he realized that the UN was proceeding with a recommendation for a Jewish state, he sent a telegram saying: “Our community demands that Jerusalem be an international zone, under your protection, with full autonomy, and its residents be free citizens of the international zone of Jerusalem.” The UN honored this request.
The creation of the state of Israel has led to both Palestinian and Jewish suffering. The Palestinians were murdered and expelled from their land, and those remaining were oppressed and denied equal rights. Likewise the original Jewish community of the Holy Land, the anti-Zionist religious Jews, have been continuously attacked and oppressed by the Israeli government. Their most recent attack on our freedom is their attempt to force Jewish boys and girls to serve in their army, which is a direct rebellion against the Almighty.
Declaring the heart of the Holy Land as the officially recognized capital of this illegitimate state, would be pouring salt on open wounds. It would magnify the catastrophe suffered by the Palestinian people and the pain felt by religious Jews.
We therefore ask you, Mr. President, to please rethink your planned declaration, for the benefit of all involved.
We pray to the Almighty for the day when we Jews and Arabs can live once again together in peace and harmony, as we have for so many hundreds of years in the Holy Land prior to the occupation of Palestine.
May we see the day when all of mankind joins together to serve G-d with one heart. Amen.
[Photo is of a rally of anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews from Neturei Karta, outside the US Supreme Court on April 22, 2011 during the Zivotofsky case which demanded the United States to recognize the city of Jerusalem as an official part of the State of Israel]
 

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Good on Trump for righting this historic wrong.


Probably best just to sit back and observe, Walter, it might play out alright. No one else has been able to achieve peace in the M.E. in 70 years so Trump probably can't do much worse!
 

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Trump to plunge Middle East into 'fire with no end' with Jerusalem speech
Ummm, I hate to project some reality into your little anti-Trump hate-fest there but, that already happened and long before Trump got in.

The Palestinian envoy to the UK, Manuel Hassassian, told the BBC: “If [Trump] says what he is intending to say about Jerusalem being the capital of Israel, it means a kiss of death to the two-state solution.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Palestine and the rest of the Arab-muslim states gave that the kiss of death before the ink was dried on the UN Resolution creating the state of Israel.

In fact, if you read the original UNSCOP report, you can see that the rest of the Arab-muslim world wasn't the least bit interested in Palestinian statehood. Even the war plans for the war in '48 showed how both Israel and Palestine would be wiped from the map. When Israel was defeated, Egypt was going to take the southern part of Israel/Palestine for itself while Syria and Lebanon were going to divide the northern section between them. There was going to be no Israel or Palestine.
Which is one of the great ironies of our time. If it wasn't for Israel, Palestine wouldn't exist today, even such as it is.
 

Walter

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Listening to Donald Trump is like sitting in a traffic jam on the San Diego Freeway with your windows rolled up and Portuguese music booming out of the surround-sound speakers while animals gnaw on your neck and diseased bill collectors hammer on your doors with golf clubs.
Don't be a deadbeat and pay yer bills on time.
 

DaSleeper

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An Urgent Plea to President Donald Trump from Jews Worldwide
December 6, 2017
Dear Mr. President,
As you are currently considering a United States declaration regarding the city of Jerusalem, please allow us of Neturei Karta International [NKI], to give you a little background on the traditional Jewish position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. NKI represents anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews true to our Torah, living throughout the world, including in the Holy Land and Jerusalem.
Zionism, the movement that created the State of Israel, is the complete opposite of traditional Jewish belief. Judaism is subservience to the Almighty, while Zionism is its total transformation into nationalism. In regard to creating a Jewish State, ever since the destruction of the Jewish Temple, 2000 years ago, Jews have been in exile by Divine decree and are forbidden to make a sovereign state of their own, rebel against any nation and certainly are forbidden to kill others or take the land of another people. From the time the Zionist movement was founded, rabbis from all Jewish communities worldwide spoke out against it, unanimously.
In July 1947 when the United Nations was considering the Partition Plan, the Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky, came and testified before the UN’s committee, saying, “We wish to express our definite opposition to a Jewish state in any part of Palestine.” Several months later, on November 18, 1947 when he realized that the UN was proceeding with a recommendation for a Jewish state, he sent a telegram saying: “Our community demands that Jerusalem be an international zone, under your protection, with full autonomy, and its residents be free citizens of the international zone of Jerusalem.” The UN honored this request.
The creation of the state of Israel has led to both Palestinian and Jewish suffering. The Palestinians were murdered and expelled from their land, and those remaining were oppressed and denied equal rights. Likewise the original Jewish community of the Holy Land, the anti-Zionist religious Jews, have been continuously attacked and oppressed by the Israeli government. Their most recent attack on our freedom is their attempt to force Jewish boys and girls to serve in their army, which is a direct rebellion against the Almighty.
Declaring the heart of the Holy Land as the officially recognized capital of this illegitimate state, would be pouring salt on open wounds. It would magnify the catastrophe suffered by the Palestinian people and the pain felt by religious Jews.
We therefore ask you, Mr. President, to please rethink your planned declaration, for the benefit of all involved.
We pray to the Almighty for the day when we Jews and Arabs can live once again together in peace and harmony, as we have for so many hundreds of years in the Holy Land prior to the occupation of Palestine.
May we see the day when all of mankind joins together to serve G-d with one heart. Amen.
[Photo is of a rally of anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews from Neturei Karta, outside the US Supreme Court on April 22, 2011 during the Zivotofsky case which demanded the United States to recognize the city of Jerusalem as an official part of the State of Israel]
Source??????
Fakebook of course?
 

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They vote on whether to be dead or not? You seem confused.


How is voting related to any of that?


Why aren't women allowed to pray where the men do?