Is America in an ETHICAL/ MORAL Crisis??OR Revolution??
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Well, President Drunkuncle certainly proved that. But I'd say, looking at all the evidence in Moore's case, that the evidence brought (though admittedly not with the rigor of trial standards) is at least "clear and convincing."
And that is precisely why we have courts. 
While some, like OB, might prefer mob rule, it is vital to have due process. Unfounded accusations have caused the deaths of many people over the years.
Based on OB's posts, it appears she wants blood. Guilt or innocence is not a consideration.
While some, like OB, might prefer mob rule, it is vital to have due process. Unfounded accusations have caused the deaths of many people over the years.
Based on OB's posts, it appears she wants blood. Guilt or innocence is not a consideration.
Wrong. The Fifth Amendment says no person shall "be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law."And that is precisely why we have courts.
A Senate seat isn't life, it isn't liberty, and it isn't property. Ergo, no need for due process of law.
Get your face out of the National Enquirer.
Don't knock the Enquirer. Trumpites like ES have used it to try and make a point.
Right! because ruining peoples lives through innuendo and rumour is every citizens God given right!
If not being in the Senate is "ruining people's lives," there's 325 million people in the U.S. with ruined lives.
riiiiiight.... because this only pertains to this one man and the accusations against him. Would never happen to anyone else, right TB?
I'm trying to be patient with you.
The criminal process is surrounded by and shot through with protections for the accused because of the enormous power of the state and the severity of the consequences (such as incarceration).
In the employment context, the employer decides whether or not the accused is guilty, and does or does not fire the accused. And takes the consequences.
In any other context (electoral, social, what-have-you), people make their decisions by their own lights, and you hope for fair treatment (unless you're guilty, in which case you hope for unfair treatment).
Do you, as you go through your life, evaluate each person's conduct on a standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt?"
Not really. If you evaluate every wrong done you on the basis of full-dress court proof, you'll never find against anybody.
So, judge, jury, executioner ...all in the blink of an eye.
This "Ragnarok" thing that your country is working towards is sure going to be a sight to behold.
Um. . . it's the other way around.
You've earned it.
Have a happy Thanksgiving. In 10 1/2 months.
I believe, WRT what the public and the media allege Trump has done, you support my point. I spoke about their opinions of Trump and what they allege he has done. If their word was sufficient for his ouster, we would already have seen a lynch mob storming the WH.
The court of public opinion only carries weight at the polls. Trump is free because he has not been charged with any offenses. To date, no one has found sufficient cause - although it's reasonable to suggest that there are persons actively working to uncover something. Indeed, certain members of the HoR may be chomping at the bit to impeach him, but most of them are lawyers and they know they must have a strong case. And what about the upper house? Would 2/3s of the senators vote to convict?
And would a federal court consider an indictment?
It seems to me that given the lengthy amount of time required to indict and try Trump, legal arguments, appeals, etc., Trump could very well be dead before a verdict is reached.
Many Americans Think It's Worse to Vote for a Democrat (or Republican) Than for a Child Molester. Is That a Problem?
At long last, America, have you left no sense of decency?
.https://www.commondreams.org/views/... Than for a Child Molester. Is That a Problem
At long last, America, have you left no sense of decency?
.https://www.commondreams.org/views/... Than for a Child Molester. Is That a Problem