What are the chances Alberta will get a new pipeline?

pgs

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Driving a pipeline through BC is politically impossible. It requires the permissions of a dozen First Nations.
Take a drive up the Coq. and see for yourself the pipeline expansion in progress .

How does BC get its oil to market?
He does not realize that there is such a thing as a north east B.C. oil patch .

if the Feds owned all the land between alberta and pr you would all set wouldn't you.
He does not realize that there is such a thing as a north east B.C. oil patch .
 

Twin_Moose

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Hard to believe that someone would go to all the trouble of producing so much of something prior to figuring out how to move it.

I am not economist but it would seem to me you should do the planning before you do the development.

It's almost like they thought getting the pipeline would be a non issue.

That is always taken into consideration and planned on the subject at hand here is do we want to stay handcuffed to the Brent pricing that takes our oil at a discount to sell it for a profit. Or should we expand our market world wide to get all the profit from our oil leading to larger royalties to help social infrastructure. It doesn't help when people think that our oil industry is a nothing burger and the world shaming us, brainwashing us, into thinking it is dirty. In our own country when we have the 3rd largest reserve in the world and ethically responsible as we can be, we should be embracing our industry and expand all avenues to take advantage of this wealth from manufacturing to world sales.

Same argument could be made about Uranium in Sask. why aren't we taking advantage of the resource in our back yard.
 

Twin_Moose

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Any p/l is required the NEB to sign-off

I'm not posting the below to be an asshat just for clarification

Regulation of Pipelines and Power Lines

Pipelines
Interprovincial and international oil and gas pipelines and additions to existing pipeline systems under federal jurisdiction require the Board's approval before they may be built. Public oral or written hearings are held for pipeline construction applications exceeding 40 kilometres in length or any other applications at the discretion of the Board. Pipelines which lie completely within the borders of a single province are regulated by that province's regulatory body.

click the link for the full article

Who regulates pipelines?

Pipelines that operate within a province/territory generally fall under the provincial/territorial regulator’s authority – examples include the Alberta Energy Regulator, British Columbia Oil and Gas Commission and the Ontario Energy* Board.
Other organizations also keep safety standards for pipeline operators high, including Natural Resources Canada, Environment and Climate Change Canada, Fisheries and Oceans Canada, Transport Canada and the Transportation Safety Board.

Law of the Lands - Farm, Energy and Enviro Law

Is the pipeline provincial or inter-provincial?

Every so often, the question of whether a pipeline is subject to provincial regulation or to federal regulation (by the NEB) comes before the courts.* The issue is now before the courts in Manitoba according to a recent decision of the Manitoba Court of Appeal.* A number of landowners affected by a proposed pipeline filed applications for leave to appeal a decision of the Surface Rights Board of Manitoba to the Court of Appeal.* They then brought a motion seeking to adjourn the leave to appeal applications pending a decision of the Manitoba Court of Queen's Bench regarding a judicial review of the decsion by Mantioba's Minister of Innovation, Energy and Mines (the "Minister")*to grant a permit to EOG Resources Canada Inc. (EOG) to construct the pipeline.

The intended purpose of the pipeline, which would cross through the landowners' properties, is to link up to another proposed pipeline that would cross the Manitoba-Saskatchewan border (the "MIPL Pipeline").* The MIPL pipeline project requires approval from the NEB as it is an interprovincial (federal) pipeline.

EOG maintains that, although its pipeline would connect directly to the interprovincial MIPL Pipeline, its pipeline is intended to be wholly within the province of Manitoba.* Therefore, the EOG pipeline would be subject to provincial approval, as was granted by the Minister.* The landowners contest the jurisdiction of the Minister and brought an application for judicial review of the Minister's decision to approve the pipeline on constitutional grounds.

EOG opposed the adjournment of the leave to appeal applications, asserting that a delay would cause it prejudice.* The Court disagreed.* It found that it was not a practical use of judicial resources to have two cases ongoing with respect to the same issues.* It also reasoned that the Court of Queen's Bench proceeding may result in additional evidence necessary to determine the constitutional issue (i.e. the jursidiction of the proposed pipeline).* The Court of Appeal found that these reasons outweighed any potential prejudice to EOG.
 

Decapoda

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I would say that the toll charge for use of the pipeline would float with the oil prices.

I would say that your incredible lack of understanding and obtuse attitude on how the prosperity of Canada's oil and gas benefits the entire country is sad and pathetic.
 

petros

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https://www.neb-one.gc.ca/bts/whwr/pplnrgltncnd-eng.html

Canada contains more than 760,000 kilometres of pipelines transporting hydrocarbons like oil and natural gas. That’s almost enough pipe to go to the moon and back. Most of these pipelines are regulated provincially.

Pipelines that cross provincial boundaries or the Canada-U.S. border are regulated federally by the National Energy Board (NEB). The NEB is responsible for 73,000 km of pipeline, or roughly 10 per cent of the Canadian total

My 2 cents.

If the final destination is a Fed Port the NEB is more than likely involved
 

Decapoda

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Hard to believe that someone would go to all the trouble of producing so much of something prior to figuring out how to move it.

I am not economist but it would seem to me you should do the planning before you do the development.

It's almost like they thought getting the pipeline would be a non issue.

Much of the oil and gas exploration, research, and infrastructure development was initiated decades ago, in a time where it could not possibly be understood how self-deprecating and destructive special interest groups could be. It was hardly conceivable 20 years ago, or even 10 for that matter how reckless and self-destructive the attitudes of some such as yourself in this country could be when it came to economic prosperity.
 

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Twin_Moose

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https://www.neb-one.gc.ca/bts/whwr/pplnrgltncnd-eng.html

Canada contains more than 760,000 kilometres of pipelines transporting hydrocarbons like oil and natural gas. That’s almost enough pipe to go to the moon and back. Most of these pipelines are regulated provincially.

Pipelines that cross provincial boundaries or the Canada-U.S. border are regulated federally by the National Energy Board (NEB). The NEB is responsible for 73,000 km of pipeline, or roughly 10 per cent of the Canadian total

My 2 cents.

If the final destination is a Fed Port the NEB is more than likely involved

Agreed it would absolutely fall under NEB jurisdiction
 

Twin_Moose

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I was under the impression that any p/l that came into contact with Fed mandated jurisdiction (ie. under a river, etc) required their approval

All the same, if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong

Within Provincial borders only fish bearing streams and fish bearing water bodies come under fed. revue and that is the department of Oceans and fisheries
 

petros

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The Assiniboine runs through my property. Both Feds and Province are always poking around monitoring various fluvial activities.