20 Dead After Shooting at South Texas Church
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You have to understand the American thought process which is very different from ours. They are brought up with their 'Constitution' as the Holy Grail, which is fine but they don't seem to understand that when the 2nd amendment was written, the gun of choice was a musket, not a machine gun.......
Same place Elvis got his. Same place any Gawd-fearin', flag-lovin', upstanding Murkan boy gets his weapons.
From his mama.
America was never safe in the first place. It was born out of violent revolution, genocides against aboriginals and slavery
Now that we see America in decline (likely permanent) those instincts to violence are accelerating the decline. The Great Republic is self-destructing in front of eyes.
Please, how about you do the same, Colpy.
Where did the church shooter get his weapon? Where did the shooter at Sandy Hook get his weapons? Where did the shooter in Las Vegas get his weapons? Where did the shooters at Columbine get their weapons. Where did the shooter in Orlando Florida get his weapon? Where did the shooter at Virginia Tech get his weapon? Where did the shooter in Sutherland Springs get his weapons?
I could go on and on. There are more than two dozen examples and let's be honest here, shall we.
The ****ing NRA fights tooth and nail against more stringent gun laws.
These kids were murdered because a mother had a gun fetish and a son who was mentally unstable.
GOD BLESS THE NRA. Bunch of scumbags.
Jeez! It would almost seem as if the leaders of the NRA have actually read the constitution of the United States.
The church shooter bought his weapons at a store, which is solely the result of bureaucratic incompetence.
The shooter at Sandy Hook stole his weapons from his mother, who had actually trained a violent video game addicted Aspergers Syndrome kid to shoot. Good Lord!
The kids at Columbine got their weapons in a straw purchase.
The guy in Orlando was a licensed armoured truck guard who purchased the guns legally. He (obviously) had no criminal past. BTW, you did notice that was a terrorist attack?
The guy at Virginia Tech had no criminal history, so bought his guns legally.
Are you saying people without criminal histories should not be allowed to buy guns?
Ever hear of an NRA member doing a mass shooting? BTW there are 5 million of them.
Rhetorical question. I can't remember an NRA member shooting up a place, I can remember a couple of cases of them trying to interfere in a mass shooting.
If the Americans want to change the rules and surrender their liberty, there is a process by which they can legitimately do so. It is called amending the constitution. Good luck.
Even if the air force had done the proper paper work and this guy had been denied a legal gun he could easily have gotten an illegal one.
yes it is important to do what you can do to prevent guns from getting into crazy people's hands but the fact os there are millions of illegal guns out there.
yes it is important to do what you can do to prevent guns from getting into crazy people's hands but the fact os there are millions of illegal guns out there.
Ummmm.....so we need more gun laws for the gov't to fail to enforce and the criminal to fail to follow?
Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
I did the math. Rifles (of ALL types, not just "assault" rifles) account for 3.5% of gun murders in the USA.
The AR 15 is the most popular rifle platform sold today. There are at least 4 million in circulation.
And that 4 million doesn't count the millions of Kalishnakovs, FNs, H&Ks, SiGs, etc etc etc.
And step back a generation and consider military surplus weapons of old......semi autos. Garands, SVTs, SKS, M1 Carbines, FN 49s, Ljungmans......all sold as suplus by the millions.
Now, imagine trying to ban them in a nation that can actually read the second amendment. How many would you get?
Morton Grove, Illinois banned handguns many years ago and required they be either removed from the town or turned in. They expected there were 10,000 handguns in the city.
FIVE were turned in. All junk, btw.
The ban, enacted in 1981, was dropped in 2008.
Gun control is useless.
All you can do is people control, and that is try to prevent people of criminal past from buying.
Good luck.
where have i indicated that?
i have only said that if he could not have gotten one legally he could still have gotten one illegally.
You didn't say it.
I thought it was implied.
I guess not.
My apologies.
So.....if the Second only applies to muskets, the first only applies to churches in the USA in 1791, and to papers printed on ancient presses, and words shouted from a podium?
Do you recognize how ridiculous your argument is now?
Exactly, so all of these nutbars came by their guns legally. So the saying that only criminals will have guns if we tighten gun laws doesn't mean much. The NRA's reaction to Sandy Hook. Let's put armed guards outside of schools. Even the Republicans couldn't get behind that nonsense.
I'm not anti-gun, but holy fack batman! You folks need to give your head a shake. Hurray for the NRA dude who capped this guy, but give me a break about another church.
Citizens don't need semi automatic rifles, they just want them. I'd love to have my own howitzer, but common sense dictates there's no reason for one. I grew up around guns and I've been around them my whole life. You want a handgun for protection, fine. You want a rifle for hunting, fine. But when people are killed because some knucklehead has a fetish for weaponry and either has it stolen or goes on a rampage themselves, that trumps all.
**** the NRA!
They're a scumbag organization.
The Second Amendment is not about hunting.
The NRA is a civil rights organization, not "scumbags".
Anyone that goes to the site of a mass shooting to organize a rally right after the fact is clearly a disrespectful scumbag.
Sort of like those God Hates Fags idiots.
I know what the second amendment is about. I also know that it wasn't penned so that gun enthusiast's could own own weapons they clearly don't need. Unless of course, you belong to another so-called civil rights organization, like the the Branch Davidian or the Michigan Militia. People who want guns like an AR 15 aren't out to save the USA if a dictator takes over.
They just want guns and they wrap themselves the 2nd amendment because its convenient.
The NRA is nothing more than a lobby that makes huge money on membership.
Constitution encourages militias
America Breaks Down: The Anatomy of a National Psychosis
by John W. Whitehead
Photo by Alex Wright | CC by 2.0
This country has been having a nationwide nervous breakdown since 9/11. A nation of people suddenly broke, the market economy goes to shit, and they’re threatened on every side by an unknown, sinister enemy. But I don’t think fear is a very effective way of dealing with things—of responding to reality. Fear is just another word for ignorance.
—Hunter S. Thompson, gonzo journalist
Another shooting, another day in America.
Or so it seems.
With alarming regularity, the nation is being subjected to a spate of violence that terrorizes the public, destabilizes the country’s fragile ecosystem, and gives the government greater justifications to crack down, lock down, and institute even more authoritarian policies for the so-called sake of national security without many objections from the citizenry.
Take this latest mass shooting that took place at a small church in a small Texas town.
The lone gunman—a former member of the Air Force—was dressed all in black, wearing body armor, a tactical vest and a mask, and firing an assault rifle. (Note the similarity in uniform and tactics to the nation’s police forces, SWAT teams and military.)
Devin Patrick Kelley, the 26-year-old gunman, had served a year in military prison for assaulting his wife and child in 2012. Domestic disputes aside, Kelley—like many of the other shooters in recent years—was described as a “regular guy” by those who knew him.
This “regular” guy’s shooting rampage left at least 26 people.
President Trump and the Governor of Texas have chalked the shooting up to mental illness.
That may well be the case here.
Still, there’s something to be said for the fact that this shooting bore many of the same marks of other recent attacks: the gunman appeared out of the blue without triggering any alarms, he was dressed like a soldier or militarized police officer, he was armed with military-style weapons and clearly trained in the art of killing, and the attacker died before any insight could be gained into his motives.
As usual, we’re
America Breaks Down: The Anatomy of a National Psychosis
by John W. Whitehead
This country has been having a nationwide nervous breakdown since 9/11. A nation of people suddenly broke, the market economy goes to shit, and they’re threatened on every side by an unknown, sinister enemy. But I don’t think fear is a very effective way of dealing with things—of responding to reality. Fear is just another word for ignorance.
—Hunter S. Thompson, gonzo journalist
Or so it seems.
With alarming regularity, the nation is being subjected to a spate of violence that terrorizes the public, destabilizes the country’s fragile ecosystem, and gives the government greater justifications to crack down, lock down, and institute even more authoritarian policies for the so-called sake of national security without many objections from the citizenry.
Take this latest mass shooting that took place at a small church in a small Texas town.
The lone gunman—a former member of the Air Force—was dressed all in black, wearing body armor, a tactical vest and a mask, and firing an assault rifle. (Note the similarity in uniform and tactics to the nation’s police forces, SWAT teams and military.)
Devin Patrick Kelley, the 26-year-old gunman, had served a year in military prison for assaulting his wife and child in 2012. Domestic disputes aside, Kelley—like many of the other shooters in recent years—was described as a “regular guy” by those who knew him.
This “regular” guy’s shooting rampage left at least 26 people.
President Trump and the Governor of Texas have chalked the shooting up to mental illness.
That may well be the case here.
Still, there’s something to be said for the fact that this shooting bore many of the same marks of other recent attacks: the gunman appeared out of the blue without triggering any alarms, he was dressed like a soldier or militarized police officer, he was armed with military-style weapons and clearly trained in the art of killing, and the attacker died before any insight could be gained into his motives.
As usual, we’re
Having been a soldier, you no doubt know that "the militia" is light infantry. Therefore, if you want to interpret the Second Amendment strictly, people should be allowed to own not just semi-autos, but selectable semi/full auto rifles, grenades and grenade launchers, and light rocket launchers, those being the tools of the trade for light infantry these days.
As to the rest of it, as I've said before, here are some facts:
1. There are over 300,000,000 firearms in private hands in the U.S. today.
2. A well-maintained firearm will easily last a century.
3. Gun ownership polls at or above 70% positive in poll after poll after poll.
So, I'd love to hear your proposed law. Please give me an analysis of how many people you think will refuse to give up their guns, and what effect this will have on the prison population and dead law-enforcement personnel.
As far as "assault weapons," give me a break. Maryland banned "assault weapons," so I can't buy an AR-15. So I bought this. . .
Because it has neither a flash suppressor nor a pistol grip, it is not a banned "assault weapon." It's just a friendly, comfy li'l .223 with a 30-round clip. Not one o' them big, scary assault weapons!
Don't you feel safer now?
Not people, but militias. Which in essence are reservists. National Guard, Army Reserve, Air Force Reserve. They, in fact already have access to those weapons, when the need arises.
It's a B.S. argument based on an amendment that was penned in 1791.
Come on, what I find hypocritical is the argument. If laws are tightened to which they are in Canada, Australia, and the UK, gun violence will not disappear completely, but to argue that all these enthusiasts are going to rise up and save the country if a tyrannical government takes over is ludicrous.
Take a look around T-Bone.
People just want to own guns, just like they want to own fast cars or the latest iPhone.
