Canada to admit nearly 1 million immigrants over next 3 years

Tecumsehsbones

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That was true in the past. Do you believe what was true in the past will always be true in the future?
Nope. I think the economic model will change, just as it has many times in the past. Difference is:

1. I ain't scared of it.

2. I don't use it, and anything else I can lay my hands on, or warp to the purpose, as a stick to beat immigrants with.

AI is a game changer. Just to start with, the jobs it will be eliminating are the exact kind of jobs that many immigrants rely on. When was the last time you saw a non-immigrant taxi driver, for example?
Uber count?

Ever think maybe the reason immigrants take the taxi jobs is because born Canadians won't?

Sorry, didn't answer your question. The specific answer is a couple weeks ago. On my ride from IAD back to my place.

Those jobs are history. Truck driver jobs are history. Lots and lots of low level, unskilled jobs are going to disappear.
Coopers are history. Fletchers are history. Wheelwrights are history. Specktioneers are history. You got a point here?

The jobs which will be spawned are highly technically skilled, and there's no certainty their numbers will be anything like what this will cost.
Lack of certainty is certainly (hah! See what I did there?) a great reason to not do something.
 

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Matt Nemeth @CHATTVMNemeth
MONDAY, OCTOBER 31, 2016 - LOCAL, MEDICINE HAT
If you’ve thought to yourself lately that there seem to be a lot more “For Rent” signs around the city, that’s because there are.

According to the latest data from the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, vacancy rates have been on the rise ever since the recession hit. In Medicine Hat the rate has gone from just 2.7 per cent back in April 2014 to 4.6 per cent in October 2015. Medicine Hat Real Estate Board President Tim Seitz says the jump has made things more accommodating for renters here in the city.

“The rental market has become a renters market,” said Seitz. “People have a lot of choice, a lot of opportunity to pick and to be fussy and to demand a better product.”

RentFaster.ca Owner Mark Hawkins says the trend of rising vacancy rates is happening across Alberta, causing the tenant/landlord relationship to change.

“From the renters point of view it’s an opportunity to negotiate a lower rent than you have been paying,” said Hawkins over the phone from Calgary. “We’ve seen anywhere from a 10-15 per cent decrease in prices year-over-year.”

Seitz, who owns a few rental properties, has himself dropped some tenants rates by that 10-15 per cent mark over the past year.

“We’ve had a few good discussions, especially with our better tenants, and said ‘look what can we do to keep you happy’.”

Hawkins says it’s a bit of a balancing act for both parties in this type of market, and that it’s important for them each to have a long-term view of the situation.

“Having a good healthy relationship between landlords and renters is a win-win for everyone,” he said. “If you have that good healthy relationship everybody’s needs are going to get met, versus if you put somebody into an unfavourable situation and then there’s an increased chance that it’s not going to work out well for either party.”

And as many in Alberta know, the boom/bust cycle we’re prone to means the shoe could be on the other foot again soon.
 

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Yeah, there probably won't be any increase in housing. My bad. They'll all live under bridges

Are you saying that the houses are being built because of Immigration and refugees? Or was there a market that existed that they needed to be built regardless? If question #2 is the answer then no new taxes from Immigration/refugees
 

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Matt Nemeth @CHATTVMNemeth
MONDAY, OCTOBER 31, 2016 - LOCAL, MEDICINE HAT
If you’ve thought to yourself lately that there seem to be a lot more “For Rent” signs around the city, that’s because there are.

According to the latest data from the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, vacancy rates have been on the rise ever since the recession hit. In Medicine Hat the rate has gone from just 2.7 per cent back in April 2014 to 4.6 per cent in October 2015. Medicine Hat Real Estate Board President Tim Seitz says the jump has made things more accommodating for renters here in the city.

“The rental market has become a renters market,” said Seitz. “People have a lot of choice, a lot of opportunity to pick and to be fussy and to demand a better product.”

RentFaster.ca Owner Mark Hawkins says the trend of rising vacancy rates is happening across Alberta, causing the tenant/landlord relationship to change.

“From the renters point of view it’s an opportunity to negotiate a lower rent than you have been paying,” said Hawkins over the phone from Calgary. “We’ve seen anywhere from a 10-15 per cent decrease in prices year-over-year.”

Seitz, who owns a few rental properties, has himself dropped some tenants rates by that 10-15 per cent mark over the past year.

“We’ve had a few good discussions, especially with our better tenants, and said ‘look what can we do to keep you happy’.”

Hawkins says it’s a bit of a balancing act for both parties in this type of market, and that it’s important for them each to have a long-term view of the situation.

“Having a good healthy relationship between landlords and renters is a win-win for everyone,” he said. “If you have that good healthy relationship everybody’s needs are going to get met, versus if you put somebody into an unfavourable situation and then there’s an increased chance that it’s not going to work out well for either party.”

And as many in Alberta know, the boom/bust cycle we’re prone to means the shoe could be on the other foot again soon.



Wow, a year old story. Well done
 

petros

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Are you saying that the houses are being built because of Immigration and refugees? Or was there a market that existed that they needed to be built regardless? If question #2 is the answer then no new taxes from Immigration/refugees

No need to build in "The Hat", just fill the empty spots.

Wow, a year old story. Well done

And nothing has changed sweetie.
 

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Ever think maybe the reason immigrants take the taxi jobs is because born Canadians won't?

This is the dumbest answer I get on these sorts of questions. It's also the most common. It's reflexive and unthinking. The jobs that 'Canadians won't take' are low paying. Why are they low paying? Because immigration lowers the wages of lower skilled jobs.

The way Capitalism works is if you don't have enough workers for a job you have to raise wages, which attracts more workers. With our steady flow of tens of thousands of unskilled workers from the third world every year that is largely unnecessary. And in the few cases where it might be necessary government has another way to thwart Capitalism. It allows employers to bring in temporary foreign workers at lower salaries. Got that? Advertise for a job at a low wage, and if you can't find Canadians to do it, then you get to bring in a temporary foreign worker at an even lower wage!
 

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This is the dumbest answer I get on these sorts of questions. It's also the most common. It's reflexive and unthinking. The jobs that 'Canadians won't take' are low paying. Why are they low paying? Because immigration lowers the wages of lower skilled jobs.

The way Capitalism works is if you don't have enough workers for a job you have to raise wages, which attracts more workers. With our steady flow of tens of thousands of unskilled workers from the third world every year that is largely unnecessary. And in the few cases where it might be necessary government has another way to thwart Capitalism. It allows employers to bring in temporary foreign workers at lower salaries. Got that? Advertise for a job at a low wage, and if you can't ind Canadians to do it, then you get to bring in a temporary foreign worker at an even lower wage!
How would you know? If you've ever been in a capitalist county, it was as a tourist.

Nice to see you blaming the job creators like a good little Liberal.
 

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My niece took a job cleaning offices. Mexicans she worked with told her flat out " what is a girl like you doing working here? These are our jobs, you don't belong here".
 

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How would you know? If you've ever been in a capitalist county, it was as a tourist.

Nice to see you blaming the job creators like a good little Liberal.

If I was a good little liberal I'd be delighted at yet more ethnic people coming into the country. And as a person who spent a good deal of time in business I can tell you I have no rose coloured glasses about it. Business is amoral. It seeks profits and doesn't care where they come from. History has amply demonstrated that businesses will pollute as much, will lie, cheat and steal as much, will have as unsafe and unfair working conditions for its employees as it can possibly get away with to earn higher profits. Capitalism is not about morality. It's about profit. Anyone who doesn't understand that knows nothing of either business or capitalism.
 

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Are you saying that the houses are being built because of Immigration and refugees? Or was there a market that existed that they needed to be built regardless? If question #2 is the answer then no new taxes from Immigration/refugees

I'm saying that if you're growing your population you need more housing. Even maintaining your population requires housing due to replacing older houses. It really isn't a difficult concept, even for the simpletons here
 

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If I was a good little liberal I'd be delighted at yet more ethnic people coming into the country. And as a person who spent a good deal of time in business I can tell you I have no rose coloured glasses about it. Business is amoral. It seeks profits and doesn't care where they come from. History has amply demonstrated that businesses will pollute as much, will lie, cheat and steal as much, will have as unsafe and unfair working conditions for its employees as it can possibly get away with to earn higher profits. Capitalism is not about morality. It's about profit. Anyone who doesn't understand that knows nothing of either business or capitalism.
Hmm. . . now I'm confused. Are you opposed to capitalism?
 

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I'm saying that if your growing your population you need more housing. Even maintaining your population requires housing due to replacing older houses. It really isn't a difficult concept, in for the simpletons here

This is the economic argument idiots routinely make about immigration. More immigrants means more jobs doing stuff for immigrants! What it leaves out is that immigrants need jobs or else they're on welfare. So while bringing in hundreds of thousands of people increases the size of the demand, and thus jobs, it also increases the number of people needing jobs.

To put it language even a simpleton can understand. If you have dinner and invite your neighbour's family to dinner and he brings food, you have more food! But you have more people consuming it. So it's not like there's actually more food for you. The table is just more crowded now. Not to mention the bathroom.