What is wrong with a two tier health system?

DaSleeper

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You won't find too many Canadians who don't respect Christianity. Christmas and Easter seem to remain big holidays.
You call that respect, when people like it because the meaning of statutory, is that you are paid for staying home and businesses make tons of money for it.
Besides that People fell absolutely free to denigrate Christians
it's not even politically incorrect...
TBones doesn't miss a chance to do it!
 

JLM

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You call that respect, when people like it because the meaning of statutory, is that you are paid for staying home and businesses make tons of money for it.
Besides that People fell absolutely free to denigrate Christians
it's not even politically incorrect...
TBones doesn't miss a chance to do it!


I think the high lights of both Xmas and Easter have very little to do with religion. Xmas = Gifts, food and partying, while Easter's main participants are the kids.
 

Johnnny

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I added one more to that list that you forgot.

3 Jan - Humiliation Day

2 Feb - Groundhog Day

25 Feb - Pistol Patent Day

29 Feb - Leap Day (every 4 years)

14 April - Ex Spouse Day

16 May - National Sea Monkey Day

1 Jul - International Joke Day

9 Aug - Johnnnys Birthday. Party On!!! Johnnnys the most kick ass guy around, HELL YEA!!!

19 Sep - International Talk Like a Pirate Day

12 Oct - Moment of Frustration Day

13 Nov - Sadie Hawkins Day

23 Dec - Festivus
 

AMKiller

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First, I'm not sure "most newspapers and TV stations wouldn't print the cartoons because they offend Muslims." In my European experience, most newspapers and TV stations don't print cartoons that are patently and deliberately offensive to a race or religion as a matter of policy. They don't need the heat.

That's not my European experience. They will print anything offensive to Christians. I'm not only referring to European agencies but here in Canada and the US as well.

Secondly, I was in Germany in the 1980s. Remember the Red Army Faction? The Red Brigades? The PIRA? Terrorism is nothing new in Europe This time around it's Muslims. In the 80s it was self-proclaimed communists. In the 50s it was colonials. In the 30s it was Germans. It's not an apocalyptic clash of cultures. It's down to the point where it's a small handful of chronic malcontent wackaloons running cars into crowds and setting off badly-made homemade bombs. Drunk starlets and cops kill more innocent people.

A small minority of Muslims are committing terrorist acts but my concern is also with Islamists that condone, fund and cheer them on. This is a huge minority within Islam.

It doesn't matter what their grievance was. It don't justify, or even mitigate, their crimes.

Maybe in Canada. Down here it's alive and well.

Free speech means other people get to speak freely, too.

First off, that's argument by anecdote. Secondly, free speech applies to the government. Your employer is not the government. Employment is at-will unless you have a for-cause clause in your contract, which means your employer can fire you for your political opinions, your taste in music, or just cuz yer ugly. It's been going on all my life. People got fired for their hairstyles in the 60s and 70s, for their opinions on race in the 50s and 60s, for "immoral" relationships in the 30s and 40s (it was actually ILLEGAL in many states for an unmarried man and woman to live in the same residence), and for their fashion choices ever since Og showed up for the flint-knapping in a bear fur instead of wolf.

You can't effectively bitch about free speech until you understand what it is. Here's a couple of hints, recapping the aforementioned: you have no right to a job, and freedom of speech allows others to call you a racist and a fascist just as it allows you to label all members of a certain religion as terrorists.

That's not my European experience. They will print anything offensive to Christians. I'm not only referring to European agencies but here in Canada and the US as well.

A small minority of Muslims are committing terrorist acts but my concern is also with Islamists that condone, fund and cheer them on. This is a huge minority within Islam.

You should tell BLM, Antifa and most leftist movements they have no cause to riot over past grievances.

Free speech isn't alive and well on American college campuses where disinvitations and protesting speakers through violence and intimidation has become the new normal.

I understand what free speech is but it's come to the point where anyone can screech "I'm offended by an opinion so you must fire that person for expressing that opinion". Expressing an opinion will mark a person as a hater or fascist quite easily these days, and many times employers are put under pressure to fire the employee.
 
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MHz

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How about a healthcare system that actually cures people instead of making them dependent on med for their whole life that only serves to make the rich richer??
 

AMKiller

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How about a healthcare system that actually cures people instead of making them dependent on med for their whole life that only serves to make the rich richer??
How about a healthcare system that focuses on prevention? Instead of relying on meds.

You know, not everything is curable.

Nothing stopping Jews or Muslims from celebrating/recognizing those days as they see fit.

Just cause the gubmint doesn't call it a stat means relatively little in the respect dept
Except time and a half.
 

MHz

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How about a healthcare system that focuses on prevention? Instead of relying on meds.

You know, not everything is curable.
Prevention is the way it should be, however, big pharma would be cutting the throats of the shareholders and their wants outweigh the welfare of entire nations.

Other than old age I'm not so sure about that. The fuking system that is in place now can't even cure pneumonia.
 

spilledthebeer

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THE ONLY PEOPLE who want two tier medicine in Canada are GREEDY CIVIL SERVICE HOGS who think they should be getting even more preferential treatment than they do now! If we Cdns allow two tier medicine it will be a license for LIE-berals to loot and pillage on a grand scale far beyond the mess they have currently made! Consider:

Some jackass Lie-beral recently posted that he thinks we need a `new deal`.....something to `adjust` our society and economy to be `more fair and stable`........as if Lie-berals could provide such a thing without turning it into a chance to loot and pillage for their own benefit! Lie-beral Pierre Trudeau even wrote a book called `Towards a Just Society`.....while he was loading up our nation with HUGE debts that took a only a few years to create and will take several centuries to pay off. And naturally the Lie-berals think THEY would be leaders of that `just` and utopian society. The Lie-beral has made a post in which various questions are asked and I have supplied answers to the Lie-beral whines as set out below::::

(Q) The economy is not working. A new one needs to be built.
(A) The economy is working just fine, same as it ever was....unfortunately the level of government taxation, corporate greed and government debt have reached such a point that little money filters down to the ordinary people and makes it LOOK as if it is not working. Pare away a good many of the endless list of Lie-beral entitlements and watch the economy grow!

(Q) It (the economy) is not working on a global level, where the world continues to falter.
(A) All western countries have adopted the same tax and spend without end madness....with other countries having less resources to prop up their economies than Canada....we Cdns can be quite deep in debt and still keep things more or less running here in Canada because of having so much gas, oil, minerals, lumber, food, etc......we have stuff that it is easy to sell and so our economy keeps moving when others falter. Compared to us, the PIGS-the Portuguese, Irish, Greeks and Spaniards have nothing to sell except for some pleasant scenery and some picturesque ruins-that they built LONG AGO..... BEFORE they got into the tax and spend and borrow madness. We Cdns are simply the least bankrupt and least insolvent ones in a world of debt and fiscal madness. Some leftist Hogs want to suggest that government austerity measures don’t work.....this argument is supported ONLY by trickery and deceit!

Thus far, the only austerity measures in place involve taking money away from those who have the least in order to give it to those Working Family Coalition HOGS who already have TOO MUCH and who are directly responsible (thanks to their ENDLESS list of entitlements) for the current govt debts!

It is simply a matter of too many civil servants taking too much too often and not doing enough in return! By about 2018 we will owe the Working Family Hogs in Ontari-owe between TWO HUNDRED and THREE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS in pension promises made by Lie-berals desperate to save their own places on the rich gravy train! By 2018 we will owe the Ontari-owe high school teachers FIFTY-FIVE BILLION DOLLARS in deferred pension payments-and what the teachers get, the other civil service unions will expect-these are promises made by Lie-berals who knew they would NEVER have the money available but needed the votes of the Hogs....so lies were told and the Hogs bought into them....and now the bankrupt chickens have come home to roost and the amount of red ink flowing across bankrupt Ontari-owe books is so great that it frightens even spendthrift Lie-berals

Teachers and other Hogs are so deluded about Ontari-owe finances they probably expect to be paid in leprechaun gold....if only lazy Lie-berals and welfare bums would go out and catch a few and make THEM pay taxes too.....the search for `new revenue tools` is as endless as Hog entitlements!

(Q) The economy is not working at a national level, where incomes stagnate, unemployment persists and good jobs are outsourced abroad.
(A) Each year a `pot` of money is produced-this pot is called gross domestic product and it is a FINITE amount of money-once its gone there will be no more till next year.....spend it all this year and then load up with massive debt and you wont have anything to spend next year.....or in our case with our OVER ONE TRILLION DOLLAR debt, we wont have much to spend for the next 150 to 200 years.....this is the face of bankruptcy and we don’t have the multi BILLIONS needed to keep Working Family Hogs happy and quiet....they certainly cannot have what they feel `entitled` to and we cannot even provide them with what Lie-berals have promised them.

(Q) As a study released Friday by the United Way shows, it is not working at a Toronto level.
(A) No surprise in this....Toronto is the poster boy for foolish spending...not only has Toronto messed up its own budget in order to fund that very rich socialist Silly Hall Gravy Train so beloved of Working Family Hogs, it has also HELPED mess up the ENTIRE PROVINCIAL BUDGET by supporting insane Lie-beral spending habits. For every dollar that Queens Park spends on `ordinary people`-meaning those living OUTSIDE Toronto, Queens Park spends TEN DOLLARS on each `very special` citizen living INSIDE Toronto!

(Q) That study makes the point that, even within Canada’s premier city, the gap between the rich and poor is growing.
(A) Again, no surprise-those who are able move away someplace cheaper where their meagre after tax dollars go farther while the wealthy congregate IN Toronto with their colleagues and social `equals`-meaning all those with access to government money- and then Working Family Coalition offers `charity` to those who cannot escape-they build grossly expensive affordable housing using the money they have extorted from lesser mortals. The old saying applies: a Lie-beral is a person who will give away everything that he does not own!

(Q) Experts may tie themselves up in knots over the precise trajectory of inequality, depending in part on what is measured and when.
(A) NO....the only `experts` who tie themselves in knots are Lie-beral campaign managers and speech writers trying not to trip over their own tongues! The `experts` only have trouble when they try to make it look like Lie-berals are doing good for ordinary people when they are really only catering to Working Family HOGS while screwing the rest of us! Even a Lie-beral sometimes slips up while trying to make 2 + 2 add up to FIVE!

(Q) But the general point is beyond dispute: On its own, the free market is providing increasingly less equal rewards.
(A) Beyond dispute, the doofus says? Only a Lie-beral would choose to ignore the collapse of communism and the bankrupt status of any leftist government that takes on too much debt while buying elections as Lie-berals and Working Family have done in Canada and as their foreign colleagues have repeatedly done in other lands burdened by massive debts and unemployment that are a natural result of stupid greedy spending!

(Q) That inequality, in turn, hampers the very forces that favour the free market.
(A) Here is one we can agree on! Smart people, strong people, creative people will usually LEAVE the sort of bankrupt MESS being created in Ontari-owe at this time.....its WHY all of our ancestors immigrated to Canada in the first place......to get away from the rot and corruption in Europe and other places. In those old days our social `leaders` were Dukes and Duchesses and other `royalty to the manor born`....too bad our current Working Family Hogs THINK they are ROYAL....certainly one cannot become a HOG unless one is appointed by the `king`-the union executive and it helps to be RELATED to somebody who is ALREADY a Hog in good standing! Too bad the `Royal` poison has spread so far that we now have no place new to run away too and must fight it out here for control of our collapsing economy!

(Q) In Canada, this trend is offset only by remnants of the great postwar bargain hammered out between capital and labour, a bargain that included unemployment benefits, pensions and strong unions. That bargain is no longer operative. Labour unions are weak; most of the jobless don’t qualify for employment insurance; most workplaces don’t offer pensions.
(A) The so called `great post war bargain` has been perverted out of all recognition. Corporate welfare is gutting our government revenue as Lie-beral governments do dirty backroom deals to save the jobs of friends and allies while lesser mortals have their pockets picked to pay for it. But the single biggest fiscal drain of all comes from the civil service unions! They have gone WAY beyond simply defending their members from bad bosses and now have themselves become as greedy and dictatorial as the corporate bosses they decry! Jobs for life for garbage men, plus solid gold pensions for people who often retire so early in life that they spend more time retired than they do actually WORKING! Our government is burdened with endless grievances launched by Working Family Coalition-including one in which a worker at a Toronto Aquatic sports complex was CONVICTED as a pedophile-he served his jail sentence and then expected to get his job back...to continue working with kids! And his union fought that one through the courts to the Supreme Court of Ontari-owe....and LOST each time. And it costs an average of $3000.00 per day to fight civil service grievances.....and Toronto has, on average 2500-to 3500 PER YEAR but happily most of the grievances are rather less insane than the example cited!
The greatest threat we face here in Canada is the long term economic chaos, social unrest and despair that is a direct result of the dirty rotten back room deals cooked up by our civil service and the Lie-beral Party of Canada to ensure both groups will be able to continue riding that wonderful RICH gravy train with its ENDLESS LIST OF ENTITLEMENTS......this is a fight that Working Family Coalition MUST lose for the good of future generations of Canadians! The HOGS MUST be taught that the gravy train has been CANCELLED for the good of the country!
 

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How about a healthcare system that actually cures people instead of making them dependent on med for their whole life that only serves to make the rich richer??



I know lots of people that have been cured of things and no longer take meds.


You're not very well informed, I take it.

THE ONLY PEOPLE who want two tier medicine in Canada are GREEDY CIVIL SERVICE HOGS who think they should be getting even more preferential treatment than they do now! If we Cdns allow two tier medicine it will be a license for LIE-berals to loot and pillage on a grand scale far beyond the mess they have currently made! Consider:

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Man, you're off the chart as far as stoopid goes. The civil servants don't want two tier health care, the people in the health care industry do.
 

JLM

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How about a healthcare system that actually cures people instead of making them dependent on med for their whole life that only serves to make the rich richer??


Hmmmmmmmmmm! could it be because they have yet to find the cure?

spilledthebeer;2506866[B said:
]THE ONLY PEOPLE who want two tier medicine in Canada are GREEDY CIVIL SERVICE HOGS who think they should be getting even more preferential treatment than they do now![/B] If we Cdns allow two tier medicine it will be a license for LIE-berals to loot and pillage on a grand scale far beyond the mess they have currently made! Consider:


BULL SHIT - People who have been caught in a long line up for treatment for an excruciating condition who don't mind paying extra for some relief also welcome it. (Are you brain dead or did you just spill too much of that beer down your throat? Whatever, you've been led astray.) :) :) :)
 

MHz

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I know lots of people that have been cured of things and no longer take meds.


You're not very well informed, I take it.
Perhaps I was referring to the ones who are on meds for a lifetime rather than people who were 'cured of things'. I am quite well informed, the top killers in North America already have known cures, they are withheld from use. Check out the health benefits of ozone and explain to me why not one of them is available through Canada Health?? I'm quite fuking serious.

100 Benefits of Ozone Therapy - In5D Esoteric, Metaphysical, and Spiritual Database : In5D Esoteric, Metaphysical, and Spiritual Database
Ozone Therapy and Cancer

Cancer cells cannot live in oxygen, and for that reason cancer has been treated with ozone therapy for decades. Ozone’s success as a cancer preventative and treatment therapy has been based on three important scientific discoveries. First discovery: Nobel Prize winner Dr. Otto Warburg proved that the primary pre-condition for the development of cancer is “a lack of oxygen at cellular level.” Second discovery: Another Nobel prize winner, Dr. James D. Watson
co discoverer of the DNA double helix concluded “among the most useful carcinogenic agents known at present are several viruses.” The development of cancer has a viral component that was not recognized before. Viruses cannot live in oxygen.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929.php
Nearly 75 percent of all deaths in the United States are attributed to just 10 causes, with the top three of these accounting for over 50 percent of all deaths. Over the last 5 years, the main causes of death in the U.S. have remained fairly consistent.

The top 10 leading causes of death in the U.S.:

  1. Heart disease
  2. Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
  3. Chronic lower respiratory disease
  4. Accidents (unintentional injuries)
  5. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
  6. Alzheimer's disease
  7. Diabetes
  8. Influenza and pneumonia
  9. Kidney disease (nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis)
  10. Suicide

Number 2 and 8 are the same fuking disease.
 

JLM

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Perhaps I was referring to the ones who are on meds for a lifetime rather than people who were 'cured of things'. I am quite well informed, the top killers in North America already have known cures, they are withheld from use. Check out the health benefits of ozone and explain to me why not one of them is available through Canada Health?? I'm quite fuking serious.

100 Benefits of Ozone Therapy - In5D Esoteric, Metaphysical, and Spiritual Database : In5D Esoteric, Metaphysical, and Spiritual Database
Ozone Therapy and Cancer

Cancer cells cannot live in oxygen, and for that reason cancer has been treated with ozone therapy for decades. Ozone’s success as a cancer preventative and treatment therapy has been based on three important scientific discoveries. First discovery: Nobel Prize winner Dr. Otto Warburg proved that the primary pre-condition for the development of cancer is “a lack of oxygen at cellular level.” Second discovery: Another Nobel prize winner, Dr. James D. Watson
co discoverer of the DNA double helix concluded “among the most useful carcinogenic agents known at present are several viruses.” The development of cancer has a viral component that was not recognized before. Viruses cannot live in oxygen.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929.php
Nearly 75 percent of all deaths in the United States are attributed to just 10 causes, with the top three of these accounting for over 50 percent of all deaths. Over the last 5 years, the main causes of death in the U.S. have remained fairly consistent.

The top 10 leading causes of death in the U.S.:

  1. Heart disease
  2. Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
  3. Chronic lower respiratory disease
  4. Accidents (unintentional injuries)
  5. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
  6. Alzheimer's disease
  7. Diabetes
  8. Influenza and pneumonia
  9. Kidney disease (nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis)
  10. Suicide

Number 2 and 8 are the same fuking disease.


Since when?
 

AMKiller

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I know lots of people that have been cured of things and no longer take meds.


You're not very well informed, I take it.





Man, you're off the chart as far as stoopid goes. The civil servants don't want two tier health care, the people in the health care industry do.
Politicians don't go on waiting lists for healthcare services in Canada.

The ONLY reason healthcare professionals are for a two tier system is because they understand the burden on the system with the status quo and people die waiting for treatment.
 

MHz

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Since when?
Go ahead and show me some instances where ozone is used. You can't because it is a banned subject rather than it doesn't work extremely well.American Cancer Society is starting to use it to combat the side effects of chemo rather than just using ozone and abandoning chemo as it does more harm than good.
 

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pneumonia is cancer?


wow, you should get the nobel prize.

Politicians don't go on waiting lists for healthcare services in Canada.



Politicians most certainly DO go on waiting lists.


You live in a dream world.