Why not allow free movement to Haitian refugees?

[White_Unifier]

I have a few theories on why Canadians are now resisting the entry of Haitian refugees. One is simply the cost of providing them social assistance.

If that were the only reason though, while we would not welcome those with no employment offer, we'd still have no qualms about allowing visa-free movement to those who can support themselves and find work. For that, I have a few theories. I think one for which both the right and left are guilty is ethnic nationalism. Another for which I think at least the right and maybe some on the left are guilty is racism.

What other reasons could there be other than the cost of social assistance (which is a legitimate one but does not explain why we don't just allow free movement of labour), ethnic nationalism and racism?

 

[petros]

How many come here for HIV meds?

 

[White_Unifier]

How many come here for HIV meds?

So require private health insurance then. Maybe even require them to sign a teetotaler contract prohibiting them from engaging in various vices or pay a fine. Other than that, what other reason is there to prohibit them from working in Canada?

 

[Jinentonix]

I have a few theories on why Canadians are now resisting the entry of Haitian refugees. One is simply the cost of providing them social assistance.

If that were the only reason though, while we would not welcome those with no employment offer, we'd still have no qualms about allowing visa-free movement to those who can support themselves and find work. For that, I have a few theories. I think one for which both the right and left are guilty is ethnic nationalism. Another for which I think at least the right and maybe some on the left are guilty is racism.

What other reasons could there be other than the cost of social assistance (which is a legitimate one but does not explain why we don't just allow free movement of labour), ethnic nationalism and racism?

I don't know, maybe to keep unemployment down here at home? But sure, chalk it up to nationalism and racism if that's what hikes yer kilt.
And considering the Feds just announced a joint trade agreement with Haiti which includes helping to rebuild their economic infrastructure, if Haitians are leaving the country to find jobs elsewhere like Canada, who the hell is going to do the work in Haiti?

As for your theories, they're bullshit. We are now over the 1% of population/yr mark. That means we know import over 1% of our population every year. A statistic that most economic experts and even a number of immigration experts have stated is untenable. If mass immigration was supposed to be such a f*cking benefit to Canada, why do we need TFW's and/or free movement of labour?
But the dim-witted among the pro-free migration/labour movement here in Canada don't understand facts and reality when they don't conform to their idiotic preconceived notions. As a result, resistance to the idea is obviously a case of racism and/or nationalism because that's all the argument twits like that are able to muster.

 

[White_Unifier]

I don't know, maybe to keep unemployment down here at home? But sure, chalk it up to nationalism and racism if that's what hikes yer kilt.
And considering the Feds just announced a joint trade agreement with Haiti which includes helping to rebuild their economic infrastructure, if Haitians are leaving the country to find jobs elsewhere like Canada, who the hell is going to do the work in Haiti?

As for your theories, they're bullshit. We are now over the 1% of population/yr mark. That means we know import over 1% of our population every year. A statistic that most economic experts and even a number of immigration experts have stated is untenable. If mass immigration was supposed to be such a f*cking benefit to Canada, why do we need TFW's and/or free movement of labour?
But the dim-witted among the pro-free migration/labour movement here in Canada don't understand facts and reality when they don't conform to their idiotic preconceived notions. As a result, resistance to the idea is obviously a case of racism and/or nationalism because that's all the argument twits like that are able to muster.

More workers means a larger tax base and consumer base which creates new jobs.

 

[JamesBondo]

Then they should not come until they have found work.

 

[taxslave]

I have a few theories on why Canadians are now resisting the entry of Haitian refugees. One is simply the cost of providing them social assistance.

If that were the only reason though, while we would not welcome those with no employment offer, we'd still have no qualms about allowing visa-free movement to those who can support themselves and find work. For that, I have a few theories. I think one for which both the right and left are guilty is ethnic nationalism. Another for which I think at least the right and maybe some on the left are guilty is racism.

What other reasons could there be other than the cost of social assistance (which is a legitimate one but does not explain why we don't just allow free movement of labour), ethnic nationalism and racism?

They are already free to move anywhere in the US they want. Or back to Haiti.

More workers means a larger tax base and consumer base which creates new jobs.

More unskilled workers drives the pay and standard of living for everyone except government union workers down

 

[White_Unifier]

Then they should not come until they have found work.

Or prove sufficient funds to support themselves.

So yes, perhaps they should require a formal invitation from an employer or a confirmation of funds from their financial institution. Otherwise, unless they are found to be legitimate refugees, they should be sent back.

Beyond that though, requiring a work visa is just busy work for bureaucrats.

They are already free to move anywhere in the US they want. Or back to Haiti.



More unskilled workers drives the pay and standard of living for everyone except government union workers down

If it drives their wages down too much, then the law of the market dictates that they'd soon stop coming, no?

 

[JamesBondo]

So you think a mandatory police records check - something i need to ride a school bus with my child's class - you think a mandatory PRC is unnecessary?

 

[petros]

. Other than that, what other reason is there to prohibit them from working in Canada?

Skills and education.

 

[White_Unifier]

So you think a mandatory police records check - something i need to ride a school bus with my child's class - you think a mandatory PRC is unnecessary?

OK, that might be reasonable too. require him to present all of those documents before he can enter. But my point is, unless there is a legitimate reason to disallow him, then he should be allowed to work in Canada visa-free.

 

[taxslave]

Or prove sufficient funds to support themselves.

So yes, perhaps they should require a formal invitation from an employer or a confirmation of funds from their financial institution. Otherwise, unless they are found to be legitimate refugees, they should be sent back.

Beyond that though, requiring a work visa is just busy work for bureaucrats.



If it drives their wages down too much, then the law of the market dictates that they'd soon stop coming, no?

Problem is it drives down the wages for everyone.

 

[White_Unifier]

Problem is it drives down the wages for everyone.

Why would a Haitian come to Canada if it will just drive his wages down. In that case, he'd naturally rather stay where he is and earn a higher wage, no?

But I disagree. A growing population increases consumption and so increases employment and business opportunities for all.

 

[taxslave]

Why would a Haitian come to Canada if it will just drive his wages down. In that case, he'd naturally rather stay where he is and earn a higher wage, no?

But I disagree. A growing population increases consumption and so increases employment and business opportunities for all.

Only if industrial output is growing and it really isn't. Did you know the US now has more government employees than working people?

 

[Bar Sinister]

Only if industrial output is growing and it really isn't. Did you know the US now has more government employees than working people?

Umm - perhaps I missed something, but aren't government employees working people? If they are not then perhaps they are not needed. In any case in the US only abut 14% of employees work for the public sector and that would include police, fire, teachers, who I suspect, most people would support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_sector

 

[White_Unifier]

Only if industrial output is growing and it really isn't. Did you know the US now has more government employees than working people?

If the population grows, then so does the consumer base, If that grows, then so does consumption, If consumption grows, then so must production, no?

 

[MHz]

Had the billions donated to Haiti been used in Haiti there would be no refugees. Take them in and sent the bill to the Clinton Foundation.

 

[White_Unifier]

Had the billions donated to Haiti been used in Haiti there would be no refugees. Take them in and sent the bill to the Clinton Foundation.

One problem was that after the earthquake, while everyone was throwing money at Haiti (which was not a bad thing in itself since Haiti did need the money), they proved extremely slow to open their borders to Haitian trade. As a result, all the money could do was boomerang back to the donors rather than go into local investment and production and integration into the global economy. Only more recently have we been opening our borders to Haiti, but too little, too late.

 

[taxslave]

Umm - perhaps I missed something, but aren't government employees working people? If they are not then perhaps they are not needed. In any case in the US only abut 14% of employees work for the public sector and that would include police, fire, teachers, who I suspect, most people would support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_sector

It is more like 52% are government employees.. that was even in a thread here probably a year ago. Government employees while they may do necessary tasks do not contribute to the economy since that money has already been earned and taxed. More like churning.

If the population grows, then so does the consumer base, If that grows, then so does consumption, If consumption grows, then so must production, no?

Only if they are earning enough to have discretionary spending money and produce something. There are already more than enough Canadians not working to fill the low paying jobs. What we need are skilled workers and investors.

 

[Danbones]

With all the money the Clintons got to help Haiti through their charity[sic]
(and then didn't spend it on them)...
There are Haitian refugees?
No sh!t!!!

learn something new every day

Thank gawd for Trump or they would all be American refugees instead...
Well, there is still time for that.