God; a good father or a deadbeat dad. Which is the truth?

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God; a good father or a deadbeat dad. Which is the truth?

The use of the term Father in speaking of God is quite ancient and was around way before Jesus started using the term, even though he used son of man a lot more than son of God.

A son calling someone father in the proud way Jesus did is respecting a worthy father, but if we look at Yahweh, I do not see how anyone could be proud of such a father.

Yahweh is definitely portrayed as being quite vile thanks to his use of genocide, infanticide and punishing the innocent instead of the guilty quite often. Yahweh is also shown to covet Joseph’s wife, cuckold Joseph, produce a son and then take off for parts unknown leaving his responsibility for his son to others thus showing himself to be a deadbeat dad.

Scripture say that we are all sons of God. To be relevant to his children, a father has to be around to interact with them. It seems that God does not want to be relevant to us as he remains absent and places us, his children, at the mercy of people who have written scripture more to enrich themselves than to give us the messages from God that they claim to know. Even though scriptures say that God id unknowable and unfathomable and his desires cannot be known.

My analysis of the bible and God does not show God to be a good father.

Do you, as a child of God, see God as a good father or as more of a deadbeat dad?

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DL
 
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Anyone who would concern himself with that stuff obviously has too much time on his hands. There's bigger fish to fry!
 
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lone wolf said:
A good father will give sound advice, let you burn your own ass, then some consolation. A deadbeat dad isn't there. Your choice....
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I guess I fail as a parent then because I would not let one of my kids burn himself if I could help it.


What would you choose to do?


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DL

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Anyone who would concern himself with that stuff obviously has too much time on his hands. There's bigger fish to fry!
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Really?


What group of organization, like the religions, have done more harm to society?


Name a bigger fish and I will be happy to see what I can do to harm it.


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French Patriot said:
I guess I fail as a parent then because I would not let one of my kids burn himself if I could help it.


What would you choose to do?


Regards
DL
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Di'ja miss the parts about "give sound advice" before and "give some consolation" after?

Was that for purposes of having something to bicker about or do you really think a control freak makes a good father?
 
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lone wolf said:
Di'ja miss the parts about "give sound advice" before and "give some consolation" after?

Was that for purposes of having something to bicker about or do you really think a control freak makes a good father?
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I agree with your approach. It worked for me as all three of my children are sucessful. I would let them make mistakes if they insisted. There's nothing better than first hand experiance to educate.
 
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French Patriot said:
God; a good father or a deadbeat dad. Which is the truth?

The use of the term Father in speaking of God is quite ancient and was around way before Jesus started using the term, even though he used son of man a lot more than son of God.

A son calling someone father in the proud way Jesus did is respecting a worthy father, but if we look at Yahweh, I do not see how anyone could be proud of such a father.

Yahweh is definitely portrayed as being quite vile thanks to his use of genocide, infanticide and punishing the innocent instead of the guilty quite often. Yahweh is also shown to covet Joseph’s wife, cuckold Joseph, produce a son and then take off for parts unknown leaving his responsibility for his son to others thus showing himself to be a deadbeat dad.

Scripture say that we are all sons of God. To be relevant to his children, a father has to be around to interact with them. It seems that God does not want to be relevant to us as he remains absent and places us, his children, at the mercy of people who have written scripture more to enrich themselves than to give us the messages from God that they claim to know. Even though scriptures say that God id unknowable and unfathomable and his desires cannot be known.

My analysis of the bible and God does not show God to be a good father.

Do you, as a child of God, see God as a good father or as more of a deadbeat dad?

Regards
DL
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God is not the father of anyone; He is the Lord and King of all creatures including the angels, the prophets including Jesus and others. All are His servants. He is God: the Most Merciful towards the merciful and the Most Powerful and All-mighty against the arrogant and disbelievers.
 
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selfsame said:
God is not the father of anyone; He is the Lord and King of all creatures including the angels, the prophets including Jesus and others. All are His servants. He is God: the Most Merciful towards the merciful and the Most Powerful and All-mighty against the arrogant and disbelievers.
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And you were the red headed step child who got beaten.
 
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Quran 5: 18, which means:

{Jews and Christians say: "We are the sons of God and His beloved ones."

Say [Mohammed, to them]: "Why then does He punish you according to your sins?

Not so, you are only mortals: [some] of those whom He has created:

He forgives to whom He pleases and chastises whom He pleases.

God's is the ownership of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and the final resorting will be to Him [following your death.] }

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/5.htm#a5_18
quran-ayat.com/pret/5.htm#a5_18
 
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lone wolf said:
Di'ja miss the parts about "give sound advice" before and "give some consolation" after?

Was that for purposes of having something to bicker about or do you really think a control freak makes a good father?
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I was speaking more to your, "let you burn your own ass,".


Di'ja miss the parts about. " I would not let one of my kids burn himself if I could help it."


Regards
DL

selfsame said:
God is not the father of anyone; He is the Lord and King of all creatures including the angels, the prophets including Jesus and others. All are His servants. He is God: the Most Merciful towards the merciful and the Most Powerful and All-mighty against the arrogant and disbelievers.
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If he wants servants, why is he so generous to Muslim men slaves and such a prick to Muslim women slaves that he has made Muslin men slaves slave masters to Muslim women and girls?


Does Allah have a dick fetish or does he just hate women?


Regards
DL
 
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French Patriot said:
I was speaking more to your, "let you burn your own ass,".


Di'ja miss the parts about. " I would not let one of my kids burn himself if I could help it."


Regards
DL
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Does "give sound advice" mean something different in your world? ...unless you're one of those controlling bastards who'd browbeat and pound the snot out of your kid until he/she does it your way
 
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selfsame said:
Quran 5: 18, which means:

{Jews and Christians say: "We are the sons of God and His beloved ones."

Say [Mohammed, to them]: "Why then does He punish you according to your sins?

Not so, you are only mortals: [some] of those whom He has created:

He forgives to whom He pleases and chastises whom He pleases.

God's is the ownership of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and the final resorting will be to Him [following your death.] }

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/5.htm#a5_18
quran-ayat.com/pret/5.htm#a5_18
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Of course it is so somewhat, you cannot die, you will advance, sooner or later, you owe your soul to the company store. We have an interest in your continued productivity.
 
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lone wolf said:
Does "give sound advice" mean something different in your world? ...unless you're one of those controlling bastards who'd browbeat and pound the snot out of your kid until he/she does it your way
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If you are asking how far I would go to prevent my child from burning himself, the answer is quite far. I do not believe in corporal punishment though as that is more of a show of my failure or success as a parent than the child's bad character.


If you would not back up your advice, that is foolishly being ignored, or if you even have to, then you have likely failed a s a parent to begin with.


Regards
DL
 
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