Stupid, Dumb and Just Plain Ignorant Cop Thread
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What else can you call someone who gets his law from a movie? And I don't recollect ever calling you a wimp.
Well....no... not really....as cops are at the heart of the LIE-beral madness and see so clearly what LIE-berals are doing to us. Some cops are strong enough to do the job properly in spite of the madness and others are weak and end up contributing to the problem- WITH LIE-beral help! Cops follow the lead of the legal systen and if our law makers and judges have their heads up their asses then few cops figure the rules are not worth much any more. Consider:
A pair of Toronto Sun writers have done a good job of explaining what sort of poison is being taught by special interest groups that have infiltrated our schools. These groups are using GRANT MONEY given out by LIE-beral politicians and civil service loons seeking to BUY ethnic votes. These wretched LIE-berals are more interested in grabbing power and gravy for themselves than they are in who gets SHOT on our increasingly MEAN streets! I reprint the article by Sun writers Levy and Henri below, along with some comments of my own in brackets):
Black Lives Matter Toronto misses point of protest. By Sue-Ann Levy, Toronto Sun. First posted: Sunday, July 24, 2016 06:30 PM EDT | Updated: Sunday, July 24, 2016 08:18 PM EDT
Black Lives Matter-Toronto Freedom School classroom inside a TDSB school on July 13, 2016. (Veronica Henri/Toronto Sun)
TORONTO - An expert on the Mississippi Freedom movement of 1964 that led to desegregation and gave alienated blacks the vote says there “doesn’t seem to be any thinking” by Black Lives Matter “about how to build a movement.”
(I say: American Blacks in 1960`s had logical goals they worked towards by sensible means while BLM Toronto is a bunch of arrogant loudmouths who want EVERYTHING in life THEIR WAY-REGARDLESS of what laws all the rest of us have to live by!)
Dr. Kathy Emery, a lecturer at San Francisco State University who has written extensively on the Freedom Summer and Freedom Schools movement, says not only was the situation completely different back in 1964 — namely that blacks were being lynched, tortured and sexually abused by the police and by white citizens, and the entire state was dedicated to maintaining “white supremacy” — but she says the leaders of the Mississippi movement were trained in the history of “non-violent” action, had a strategy, and carefully “chose their targets” before engaging in the summer’s campaign.
“There was infrastructure and organization the way there doesn’t seem to be yet in the BLM movement,” says Emery, who ran her own summer Freedom School in San Francisco from 2005-2010.
“They don’t understand the history of the south Freedom movement and they don’t understand the history of nonviolence.”
I contacted two American experts last week to better ascertain what the 1964 Freedom School movement was all about and whether it has any connection — either as far as the curriculum or the rationale is concerned -— to the one initiated this summer by a member of BLM Toronto, LeRoi Newbold.
BLM Toronto and Newbold refused numerous efforts to respond to questions about the Toronto school — which runs until July 29 — but many details are available on the BLM-Toronto Facebook page (facebook-dot-com/blacklivesmatterTO).
Emery says the original Freedom Schools — there were 41 in Mississippi — were part of a summer project to attempt to “crack open” the state, which was the “heart of apartheid in the south.”
“The stuff that we see today on camera and all that, that’s a drop in the bucket compared to Mississippi in the 1960s and earlier,” says William Sturkey, whose excellent article “The 1964 Mississippi Freedom Schools” was just posted online about a month ago.
Sturkey, assistant professor of history at the University of North Carolina, says the curriculum included remedial reading, writing and arithmetic, which was intertwined with teaching the students — ages 5-82 — how voting works and what it can do (to change their lives).
After attending segregated schools where the curriculum “was closely monitored” to ensure certain black history wasn’t taught, he said the Freedom School kids “were bursting with excitement” to express themselves.
Black history became a “huge part” of the Freedom School curriculum, Sturkey says, with a focus on such activists as Harriet Tubman (a former slave and abolitionist who rescued other slaves through the Underground Railroad), and Frederick Douglass and Ella Baker, both African-Amercian civil rights activists.
The students created their own newspapers, wrote stories, poems, plays and essays, and even wrote letters to the president, he says.
“They felt their voices were actually being heard.”
Sit-ins were carried out to “incite boycotts” of stores and movie theatres, for example, that still wouldn’t allow blacks to sit with whites, even after president Lyndon B. Johnson passed the civil rights act of 1964.
Sturkey said a lot of the Freedom School students that summer went to their local Woolworth’s and “just began sitting in.
“They became the first ones served at the local Woolworth’s,” says Sturkey,
These sit-ins were done to “gain sympathy” of the public, Emery adds, and not to anger people, as BLM appeared to do by disrupting Toronto’s July 3 gay Pride parade.
“The thinking (by BLM) seems to be disruption … to bring attention to the issue …but then what?” she says.
“Anger is the opposite of what you want to do … it alienates people. You have to have humour and audacity … that’s the key to success of any direct action.”
Sturkey notes that the Washington, D.C.-based Children’s Defense Fund operates a modern kind of Freedom School program (summer and after-hours) throughout the U.S. that is more focused on teaching kids to read, providing daycare, feeding kids nutritious meals, and providing a “really positive environment” in many places “where kids don’t experience a lot of positivity.”
ABOUT THE TORONTO FREEDOM SCHOOL
It started two weeks ago in Toronto District School Board (TDSB) school in the west end.
The Black Lives Matter-Toronto Freedom School is being led by LeRoi Newbold, a teacher at TDSB’s Africentric school and a member of the BLM movement.
The Children’s Peace Theatre — heavily subsidized with Toronto, provincial and foundation grants and which operates out of the city-owned Massey Goulding Estate for rent of $2 a year — took out the permit for the Freedom School space. TDSB spokesman Ryan Bird says they paid approximately $3,400 for the three-week permit.
(Yeah, that`s great-a whole pile of GOVT MORONS ENCOURAGING Blacks to blame White people for ALL their troubles. As if it was White people who encouraged ignorant Black kids to drop out of school and deal drugs! And was it White people who suggested to Black dorks that it was a good idea to drive through a police radar trap or police roadblock and threaten to run down cops-and then blame cops for Black dorks getting shot? In a BLM school a car is NOT defined as a lethal weapon when a Black driver is trying to run down a White cop. BLM dorks apparently see running over cops as `social justice` and consider reverse discrimination to be fair play? And maybe this helps explain WHY cops are so willing to shoot-BEFORE they get run over and to use lethal force to stop wild drivers before they kill a member of the public?)
Newbold and the BLM organizers refused several requests for an interview about the school, its curriculum and the attendees.
(I bet that`s right! If BLM DID tell us what they were teaching there would be a HUGE outcry from DISGUSTED tax payers-and much of that anger would be directed at LIE-berals who are doing such a FINE job of undermining our society by encouraging DORKS who hate Whites and western civilization to demand `change`! But then what can we expect when the Ontari-owe LIE-beral premier dislikes men and has little use for them except as walking wallets to be LOOTED and our prime minister that stupid Boy was raised by his father to consider Canada to be IMPERIALIST! Add in the reality that LIE-berals MUST BUY civil service union votes along with whatever votes they can gather from other LUNATIC fringe groups such as BLM if they are to be elected and you have a package of values that are POISON to ordinary Cdns!)
Karen Emerson, artistic director of the Children’s Peace Theatre, would only say they were “particularly proud” to be trusteeing the Freedom School this year for BLM, whose members were “just awarded the city’s race relations award.”
But according to information posted on the BLM Facebook page, the program was designed to “engage children in political resistance to anti-black racism and state violence” — through a trans-feminist, queer-positive lens — and offer “an entry point into the #BlackLivesMatter movement.”
It appears that the students have spent their time so far making accessible playgrounds out of jinx wood, learning about resistance in Brazil, about Nanny Maroon (a Jamaican national hero) and the Haitian Revolution, cooking hominy porridge and veggie patties, and visiting the Sustenance Greenhouse at the Six Nations of the Grand River Territory. They also prepared drawings and notes to the incarcerated engaged in hunger strikes at Central East Correctional Centre in Lindsay.
(OH swell-kids writing notes to CRIMINALS on hunger strikes in Lindsay jail! And who would these poor innocent/hungry CRIMINALS be? And just what are their crimes? And would ordinary Cdns think it a good idea to persuade their kids to be sympathetic to such people? BLM thinks its none of our business and NOT our concern to know what propaganda they are stuffing into the kids in their classes! It is OBVIOUS to me that one quick way to save govt tax money is NOT to continue funding MORONS who mislead kids! But its TYPICAL LIE-beral shit that THEY decide what-if anything-to tell us about how OUR MONEY is used! One has to think that our kids would be better off being taught why and how democracy is being poisoned by LIE-berals who are rewarding Omar Khadr for fighting against the west in Afghanistan!)
The three-week program will end Friday with an event displaying the art of Freedom School students.
Oh what a SILLY T-gurly you are! Apparently ylou hand out so many lies and so many insults that you have forgotten that you mistakenly referred to all Cdns as "wimps" in an earlier tirade! But not to worry- I know you are just upset at having your lies being challenged and exposed! But you will have to get used to being exposed like this, And how come you are not haranguing us about that woman in Boston who got shot by cops after being robbed? Whats the matter T-gurly? Not enough scope there for your unique brand of fiction?
And hey- do you know that old saying: "tell the truth or somebody (like me?) will tell it for you!
I'll take your word for it. You be sure to carry it around now, hear? Figure it stayed with you on account of you think it's true.
Oh T-gurly- you lie so POORLY considering how much practice you have had! I am thinking you are denying the impulsive insult after it occurred to you that it might be easier to get Cdns to accept your lies if you did not insult them first in a burst of temper brought on by having your lies about that cop Yanez exposed to the world! It has to sting- being exposed as such a fraud?
Anyway- here is another post about hypocrite LIE-beral values:
Here is an article damning cops with faint praise and illustrating that in some peoples eyes, cops are NEVER in the right! And it illustrates the utterly twisted value system of LIE-berals! With some comments of my own in brackets):
Charleena Lyles Needed Health Care. Instead, She Was Killed. 1/11
The New York Times. By PHILLIP ATIBA GOFF and KIM SHAYO BUCHANAN
Photos of Charleena Lyles, who was killed by the police in Seattle on Sunday/June 17/2017 . © Ken Lambert/The Seattle Times, via Associated Press Photos of Charleena Lyles,
On Sunday morning, two Seattle police officers shot and killed Charleena Lyles in her apartment. She was pregnant, and three of her four children were home. She had called the police to report a burglary. According to the officers’ account, shortly after they arrived, Ms. Lyles, who the police knew was mentally ill, pulled a knife. Both officers shot her. Societal failure to care for mental health, which leaves the police as mental illness first responders, may well have been one deadly ingredient in this tragic encounter.
(ONE DEADLY INGREDIENT? IT’S THE ONLY DEADLY INGREDIENT! What would LIE-beral minded morons have ordered to be done differently by cops? She was robbed and so police MUST speak to her? It is not the job of cops to order psychiatric care for her! Nor is it in their power to ORDER her to take her medication before they will deal with her! And they have no power to do so anyway!)
According to her family and police records, Ms. Lyles wrestled with significant mental health issues. An audiotape reveals officers discussing her police and mental health history immediately before the shooting. Seattle Police Department officers had been called to her residence more than 20 times before this Sunday, with mental illness often figuring in those encounters. The department had placed an officer caution on her address for this reason, meaning officers should be on alert for dangerous behavior from her. Despite repeated previous mental health referrals and the involvement of Child Protective Services, she was alone with her children on Sunday, in distress and with nowhere to turn but 911.
(SO she is OFFICIALLY KNOWN to cops as potentially dangerous? Again- what are mere cops supposed to do with her other than to defend themselves if she attacks? AS she had already been robbed it is likely she was agitated even BEFORE cops got there. Cops might have waited a while to see if she cooled off a bit? Or maybe the deliberate lack of attention and service might have provoked her further? There is no answer and no easy solution other than to persuade LIE-beral minded Hogs that they must provide care even if the patient refuses!)
Ms. Lyles’s situation is not unique. People with untreated mental illnesses are disproportionately likely to attract police attention. The combination of mental illness, racial segregation and poverty is particularly likely to result in police contact, often leading to arrest.
(OH typical LIE-beral garbage! The woman was robbed and IS ENTITLED to police aid- its just too bad LIE-berals will do nothing for her and leave it to police with their hands tied to deal with a total mess! Too many mentally ill persons COULD be stable members of society IF they were compelled to take their medication- and IF they were supplied with it!)
(LIE-berals have created a mental health revolving door- patient acts up and cops are called and gets committed and stabilized and is then released. Once back out, patient often stops taking `meds` due to unpleasant side effects- or is unable to afford meds and ends up in mental trouble again- with cops coming back to deal with patient yet again. This is NOT a cop failing, it is a LIE-beral govt failing with LIE-berals being too greedy to waste money on crazy people!)
In fact, a 2006 Bureau of Justice Statistics study revealed that 24 percent of state prisoners report a history of mental illness, with other sources reporting rates in some larger facilities as high as 70 percent. But it was not always the case that mental illness would result in the cycle of catch and release that evidently plagued Ms. Lyles.
What changed over the past half-century is that the United States has seen a stunning decline in resources devoted to public mental health — during the same time the nation adopted mass incarceration. A 2009 International Association of Chiefs of Police review reported that the available hospital beds for persons suffering from mental illness dropped by 95 percent from 1955 to 2005, to 17 beds per 100,000 persons from 340. From 1985 to 2005, the nation’s incarceration rate tripled.
(AS I said- greedy LIE-berals are keeping the cash and giving mental health sufferers their right- to be set free without adequate supports in place! And LIE-berals consider it unfair to force mental health patients to receive treatment anyway- they can be crazy if they wanna be!)
The shift away from hospital treatment of mental illness was not matched by an offsetting commitment to fund the health care people needed to live on the outside. Medicaid reimbursement rates are so low that it is difficult to find providers who will accept it. As a result, many people with mental illness are functionally uninsured for their most urgent health care needs. That is, state support for mental health retreated at the same time state investment in incarceration exploded — and both with disastrous results for vulnerable communities.
The consequence of the disinvestment in public mental health has also not affected all vulnerable communities equally. African-American people are at least as likely as white people to experience mental health distress but are half as likely to receive mental health treatment. This helps to explain why it’s easy to recall other high-profile cases of police use of deadly force involving black victims with documented histories of mental illness.
To be sure, the disproportionate rate of law enforcement violence against African-Americans has a host of contributing factors, including racial bias, both implicit and explicit. There is most likely no single explanation for the tragedy that occurred when Seattle Police Department officers shot and killed Ms. Lyles. But in her case and others like it, the failure of public mental health services appears to have been one important ingredient in a mix of forces that ultimately proved deadly. Without this failure, Sunday’s encounter might never have occurred.
(OH balls! Race has NOTHING to do with two cops trapped in a crowded room and shooting an enraged crazy woman coming at them with a knife- it’s a survival issue!)
If we are to protect families in similar situations, we must extend the lens of our concern beyond police-community interactions — even in cases where the police pull the trigger. A reinvestment in public mental health resources — including hospitals and, yes, better health care coverage for vulnerable Americans struggling with mental illness — are urgent necessities.
Of course, the cure for these too frequent police-involved shootings must include serious changes within law enforcement. But we must also recommit to changing how we manage mental health if we are to reduce the chances that illness will be treated with gunshots. It is what we owe to Ms. Lyles and to the children who survive her.
(Oh there is the knife in the back for cops to enjoy and to make selfish LIE-berals feel better! LIE-berals insist that “better cop training’ will resolve this issue? HAHAHAHAHA! LIE-berals should STOP lying about cop training and START thinking about giving more cops things like Tazers so they can knock down a crazy person without filling them full of .40mm Glock pistol holes! But here in Toronto, our LIE-berals refuse to give out Tazers to cops for fear cops will “misuse them”!) So Toronto cops- and a lot of Yankee ones too- can only pull out the Glock and blaze away to protect themselves! LIE-berals are desperately seeking a way to blame others for THEIR racist attitudes and lust for power! LIE-berals are afraid to tell the public the truth for fear of being voted out!)
Oh you poor desperate dear T-gurl- becoming ever more frantic to salvage anything of your disgraced position. I used the example of the Brokovich movie because many people have seen it and will recall that climactic scene where the CEO is pressed to explain to the court exactly how much of the dangerous chemical he WOULD be willing to drink! Your pointy little head misses the fact that even the people making the chemical do not know with any certainty how much or how little of the chemical is dangerous- and British Law is more willing to accept that "its dangerous" label without needing such a precisely Yankee measurement of dosage dangers.
British law allows for more scope and input from the "man on the street" who can shrug and say "it sounds dangerous to me" and have the judge apply a verdict on that while a Yankee court wants a more specific measurement of danger BEFORE applying the label "Its dangerous"!
T-gurly, you really ought to learn that your arguments will be stronger if you base them in fact, logic and reality!
Hey little T-gurly- you seem to think you are pretty clever so why don’t you give us some advice on this situation:
Cops in Seattle get a call from a woman KNOWN to have serious and un-treated mental health issues. She says she has been burglarized. Crazy or otherwise, simply ignoring her will not solve the problem!
The crazy woman has been robbed and is ENTITLED to a police response. If she does not get a suitable response she is likely to come down to the station and make trouble- which will get both her and cops in trouble. She is likely to be belligerent and get arrested for causing a fuss at the station. And cops will be in trouble for ignoring a request for service from a citizen. So- might as well send 2 cops to her place to settle the situation.
When the cops arrive, the woman is already agitated- she IS crazy after all AND she has been robbed so she is really pissed off more than usual! The cops have to come into the apartment so they can get a statement and a list of stolen items and etc.
We both know the likelyhood of this woman getting any of her stuff back is about zero but the rules must be followed. And we both know that the United States is just about as bankrupt as the rest of western civilization and is surviving by printing money. There is NO cash available for forensic stuff like taking finger prints at such a trivial crime scene in hope of identifying the burglar and in any case the robber is likely some stoned kid who has a hundred prior arrests and there is no need for fingerprints because at some point the stoner will get caught red handed and then the judge and public defenders will plea bargain the offenses down to nothing and there will be some probation and some legal threats issued by judge that amount to nothing and then the robber will walk. And the crazy woman likely knows all this too and its making her mood worse!
So her madness overwhelms her and she grabs up a knife and tries to carve up the cops. The cops know of her long history of mental illness and know of her previous attacks on cops so they know this little tiff will not blow over quickly and that she IS dangerous! “Talking her down is NOT an option!
But what choices do the cops have? They might use billy clubs to beat the knife out of the woman’s hands but oh dear- the little wooden things cops carry now are really not suitable as they are too short and expose the cops to lethal swipes of the knife if the cop is actually close enough to use the little thing.
And of course long legal precedent and law enforcement experience and a jury of YOUR PEERS have decreed that a cop can use his gun to protect his own life so if the crazy woman is not to be shot then cops MUST have a viable alternative to gunfire!
The cops COULD do as you would do T-gurly- they COULD squeal in girlish dismay and try to flee the room but the woman is already attacking and is not fussy about stabbing cops in front or in back as they run away so that is not a solution.
The cops COULD shoot her with a tazer and knock her out- if they had one! But LIE-berals do not want cops to have such devices as they fear cops may “misuse” them!
At this point the only REAL option for a cop is to pull a gun and shoot the crazy woman because LIE-berals are NOT DOING THEIR JOB and will not equip cops properly! And remember, the public is generally okay with a cop shooting a loon attacking with a knife- we prefer it if the cops are not made into targets without real need.
The crazy woman SHOULD be under the care of a doctor and she SHOULD be getting medication to control her condition- but LIE-berals are too busy sucking up rich gravy and endless `entitlements` to worry about some stupid cops and a crazy women. Maybe you should be agitating for medical aid for the crazy people rather than sneering at cops who are doing their jobs under idiot conditions?
So little T-gurl- given the above conditions and limitations and public reality of this ACTUAL CASE- just what sort of LIE-beral training do you think a cop should have-and might actually benefit from in a real world situation so that a crazy Seattle woman will not get shot and no cops will be carved up?
Come on now clever Princess- how would YOU resolve this mess without gunfire or blood shed?
I will give you a hint- for years Toronto Police Services Board have been saying NO to police requests for tazers. But recently an inquest was held into the death of Andrew Loku. It’s the usual thing- Loku is crazy and his family is frightened of him and cops were called and asked for help. And 2 cops responded and bumped into Loku in an apartment hallway and he tried to bash them with a hammer and got shot for it. And the jury decreed that COPS SHOULD HAVE Tazers!
Of course the jury also decreed that cops ought to have more training in how to deal with crazy people. But the jury did not specify What Sort of training might be useful when somebody is trying to tune your head with a ballpeen hammer! Most citizens figure it is a choice of two: shoot with the gun you do have or get somebody to give you a damned Tazer before its too late! It seems there are some holes in the LIE-beral interpretation of police training and abilities? Its just the usual LIE-beral two faced hypocrisy! But maybe a clever T-gurl like you can resolve this issue for us?
Police punch 115lb 5'2 teen girl with a backpack after mistaking her for 170lb 5'10 black male suspect with a machete
On the day police stopped Hargrove, officers had been looking for a suspect — described as a 25- to 30-year-old, bald black man standing 5-foot-10 and weighing about 170 pounds — who had threatened several people with a machete at a nearby grocery store, according to a police report.
“She appeared to be a male and matched the description of the suspect that had brandished the machete and was also within the same complex the suspect had fled to,” Christopher Moore, the arresting officer, wrote in his report.
But Hargrove is none of those things.
For starters, she is female. She stands 5-foot-2 and weighs 115 pounds “soaking wet,” according to her father in a widely shared video of Hargrove’s account of the incident posted on the Facebook page for the Bakersfield chapter of the NAACP.
In the video, Hargrove stands with a pair of crutches near the intersection where she was stopped by police and described how one of the officers demanded she give him her backpack, she said.
When she asked if they had a warrant, one of the officers gestured toward a police K-9 behind him, she said.
“I then got scared and then I was like, here, take the backpack, just take the backpack,” Hargrove added.
After that, she said in the video, the officer grabbed her by her wrist, then punched her and threw her onto the ground; shortly
afterward, the police K-9 “came and started eating at my leg.”
The same officer then put his knee on her back and other knee against her head, despite her protests, she said.
“I told him ‘I can’t breathe, I can’t breathe’ and then I started yelling out, ‘Somebody help me, somebody help me! They’re gonna kill me!’” she said. “And then finally, he let me up, he tied my hands behind my back and then he tied my feet together and he threw me in the back of the car.”
According to the police report, Hargrove was arrested for resisting or delaying an officer and aggravated assault on an officer. Hargrove was taken to a nearby hospital for treatment of her injuries, including abrasions on her face and scrapes and punctures from the police K-9’s “engagement on her right thigh,” Moore, the arresting officer, wrote in his report.
‘I told him I can’t breathe’: Police punch teen girl after mistaking her for black male suspect
On the day police stopped Hargrove, officers had been looking for a suspect — described as a 25- to 30-year-old, bald black man standing 5-foot-10 and weighing about 170 pounds — who had threatened several people with a machete at a nearby grocery store, according to a police report.
“She appeared to be a male and matched the description of the suspect that had brandished the machete and was also within the same complex the suspect had fled to,” Christopher Moore, the arresting officer, wrote in his report.
But Hargrove is none of those things.
For starters, she is female. She stands 5-foot-2 and weighs 115 pounds “soaking wet,” according to her father in a widely shared video of Hargrove’s account of the incident posted on the Facebook page for the Bakersfield chapter of the NAACP.
In the video, Hargrove stands with a pair of crutches near the intersection where she was stopped by police and described how one of the officers demanded she give him her backpack, she said.
When she asked if they had a warrant, one of the officers gestured toward a police K-9 behind him, she said.
“I then got scared and then I was like, here, take the backpack, just take the backpack,” Hargrove added.
After that, she said in the video, the officer grabbed her by her wrist, then punched her and threw her onto the ground; shortly
afterward, the police K-9 “came and started eating at my leg.”
The same officer then put his knee on her back and other knee against her head, despite her protests, she said.
“I told him ‘I can’t breathe, I can’t breathe’ and then I started yelling out, ‘Somebody help me, somebody help me! They’re gonna kill me!’” she said. “And then finally, he let me up, he tied my hands behind my back and then he tied my feet together and he threw me in the back of the car.”
According to the police report, Hargrove was arrested for resisting or delaying an officer and aggravated assault on an officer. Hargrove was taken to a nearby hospital for treatment of her injuries, including abrasions on her face and scrapes and punctures from the police K-9’s “engagement on her right thigh,” Moore, the arresting officer, wrote in his report.
‘I told him I can’t breathe’: Police punch teen girl after mistaking her for black male suspect
Its fascinating just how much detail so often gets left out of one of these "I wasn't doing nothing and they just came and attacked me stories"! Like whether she was known to cops and might have been suspected of carrying a gun and etc.....and how is it that they just happened to have the dog there for what does not sound like a random meeting between cop and suspect? And there was apparently more than one cop- so its sounds like they were definitely hunting for somebody-maybe somebody SHE KNOWS? But dont worry, it will probably all come out in the trial- assuming you re actually interested in the truth. Though it sounds more like you would enjoy a good lynching- just like our poison pen pal Tecumsehbones! He is such a little T-gurly always willing to suppress evidence if it will make cops look bad! And Black Lives Matter types would find it a LOT EASIER to score points if they left off defending drug addicts, pimps and thieves and STARTED focusing on the kind of people that Martin Luther King would give respect to!
Why dont you read the full and complete story of Yanez and Castile- the guy who got shot in Minnesota! There is ALWAYS MORE that Black Lives Matter types want to edit out! So what really happened with this woman? That they had the dog all ready to go is a clue there was more than just a simple question being asked!
Its really quite remarkable how little real truth and justice our LIE-beral dominated legal system and its LIE-beral loving media allies will allow us to see for fear of losing ethnic and immigrant voter support! Those wretched LIE-berals will make us pay any price so THEY can cling to power!
Grossly foolish LIE-berals really ought to think more about the circumstances under which cops `interact` with the public-consider this:
The truth is that NO cop wants to shoot a suspect! What a cop WANTS is to spot a suspect on the street and to handcuff him and take him to the station for interrogation. If the suspect has a good alibi then its apologies all around and suspect is set free and cop goes looking for somebody else. If the suspect has NO alibi and can be properly connected to some crime then he is arrested and charged; with the cop getting a pat on the back from his boss- and maybe a promotion for his sharp eyes and diligent police work!
This is in SHARP contrast to the consequences of SHOOTING a suspect! For one thing a dead man cannot be charged with anything and cannot be questioned either- so with a shooting, there can be no resolution to an existing crime; and it generates a whole NEW mess to deal with. To shoot a suspect simply generates a huge legal mess- even when clearly justified its not a solution any cop wants. AND a cop shooting opens up the doors to all sorts of lunatics- like YOU- from idiot groups like Black Lives matter. To shoot a suspect is a sign of desperation from a cop who has been driven into a corner with no other options- the cop eliminates a lethal threat to save HIS life!
Its odd how LIE-berals will defend somebody killed by a cop regardless of circumstances- but will IGNORE the actions of armed robbers! How much of a BIGOT do you have to be to shrug off the terror of a store clerk staring down the barrel of a robbers gun and focus ONLY on the confrontation between a cop and a suspect? Want to bet the store clerk would tell a cop: “if you have to shoot the felon to keep him from robbing me again that is just fine with me”?
There is the BLM bigot dilemma- the cops ARE serving the public and every store clerk and taxi driver working night shifts considers cops to be their GOOD FRIENDS! Now consider the details of the Officer Yanez shooting AND the details LIE-berals don’t want us to know about:
Based on my research, The Pioneer Press of Minnesota has presented the most full and detailed description of the Yanez case- with a number of pieces being presented to the public on successive days in mid June, with reporter Sarah Horner leading the coverage. You can find all the details for yourself T-gurly- on the Pioneer Press website- if you are interested and we know you ain’t because the truth is an awkward bitch for such as you!
By Sarah Horner | shorner@pioneerpress.com, Tad Vezner | tvezner@pioneerpress.com and Mara H. Gottfried | mgottfried@pioneerpress.com | Pioneer Press. PUBLISHED: June 2017. Sarah Horner joined the Pioneer Press in 2011. She covers legal affairs in St. Paul and the surrounding suburbs.
Here is my synopsis of the available facts and testimony taken mainly from Pioneer Press as their coverage is deemed most open, comprehensive and even handed:
In an earlier post I said that a pair of cops working together is safer for both cops and the public and I also said that Yanez was alone when he shot Castile- based on a HEAVILY EDITED video shown to Cdns. Oh T-gurly- YOU LIED when you said Yanez had a partner!
Joseph Kauser was an officer in another cop cruiser some blocks away when Yanez radioed him and asked for backup. Yanez was convinced- based on appearance- that Castile might have been the armed robber who hit a gas station convenience store a few days previously so he was being cautious even before getting Castile to pull over. Kauser arrived AFTER Yanez began talking with Castile. The video YOU have posted shows Kauser arriving and getting to about ten feet from the passenger side door of the car when the shooting started. Kauser never set eyes on Castile before the shooting started!
Based on trial testimony we can discuss in a moment, its possible Castile never even saw Kauser arrive and a cop you do not see does not scare you much! So my statement that two cops are safer than one stands! IN fact, IF Castile WAS the armed felon that Yanez suspected him to be then TWO COPS might have daunted Castile into surrendering instead of fighting. All desperate felons know its easier to escape from one cop than from two!
But we will never know if Castile was a felon because reverse racist LIE-berals will not besmirch the name of a dead man! Castile cannot defend himself due to being dead and thus he is rendered forever innocent in the minds of LIE-berals! Those wretched LIE-berals are so sensitive that they will not even discuss whether Castile MIGHT have matched the description of the felon Yanez was seeking- even in some small way!
I know we are entitled to the presumption of innocence but that is for judge and jury! A cop DOES NOT work that way and it’s not something many people have noticed! A cop gathers information and makes HIS choice- and when he takes you in it is because he thinks you ARE Guilty! And the law allows the cops certain leeway regarding using FORCE to COMPEL you to come with him! You are expected to be aware of the consequences of not complying. And then the cop presents his beliefs and facts before a judge who makes the final choice. It is when you are in front of a judge and jury that the presumption of innocence DOES kick in as the judge is the impartial referee between prosecution and defense!
After Yanez fatally shot Philando Castile, he said he thought Castile would act recklessly because he smelled marijuana in his car.
Jeronimo Yanez told the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension in an interview the day after the shooting that he initially pulled Castile over as he thought he matched the description of a suspect in a gas-station robbery he had responded to a week prior to the shooting.
Yanez said he smelled the odor of "burnt" marijuana in Castile's car as he walked up to the driver's side window. He didn't tell Castile that he smelled the marijuana at first because he didn't want Castile to "react in a defensive manner."
Yanez told Castile that he had a busted taillight.
Yanez asked Castile for his driver’s license and proof of insurance at his driver’s-side window before Castile told him, “Sir, I have to tell you, I do have a firearm on me.” Castile had a permit to carry the gun but never disclosed that to the officer.
Yanez replied, “OK, don’t reach for it then,” prompting Castile to say, “I’m not reaching for it.”
According to Yanez’s squad car audio and video of the shooting, the officer then twice said, “Don’t pull it out.”
So a total of THREE TIMES, Yanez told Castile Not to reach for the gun yet he continued to move around and soon got shot because of his erratic behaviour.
Yanez’s defense team drew attention at trial to THC found in Castile’s system during his autopsy, suggesting it was proof Castile was high during the shooting and was therefore culpable for what happened.
Yanez said he was worried that Castile may be carrying a weapon for protection from drug dealers or others trying to "rip" or steal from him. "It appeared to me that he had no regard to what I was saying," Yanez said. "He didn’t care what I was saying. He still reached down."
Yanez, among several who took the stand, testified, sometimes through tears, that he had no choice but to shoot Castile after he said he saw Castile gripping his pistol in his front right shorts pocket despite the officer’s orders for him not to reach for the gun.
The state argued Castile was trying to access his wallet to hand over the driver’s license Yanez had requested when the officer “jumped to conclusions” and needlessly shot him. It made no sense-said the state- that Castile — who was wearing a seat belt while traveling home with his girlfriend and her small child from the grocery store — would choose to grab his gun and shoot the officer after being stopped for a broken taillight, prosecutors said.
But I suggest perhaps it DOES make sense to reach for a gun IF your are a desperate and stoned felon planning to flee from a cop?
State law allows police officers to use deadly force when faced with a threat to themselves or someone else. The officer’s conduct must be in line with what another reasonable officer would do under the same circumstances.
Had Castile only listened to Yanez’s commands, two experts hired for the defense testified in court, Castile would still be alive. But when he went for his gun, they said Yanez was forced to shoot.
WE all know that Yankees have the right to bear arms but what about the FOR- GOTTEN portion of the Constitution that lets us know the arms being borne are SUPPOSED to be in the hands of a “well disciplined militia”! Founding fathers never planned for armed stoners wandering the streets!
The state has not explained why Castile was carrying his gun while grocery shopping with his girlfriend Diamond Reynolds and her daughter. If in fact Yanez was right in believing Castile was an armed felon then there IS reason for Castile to be carrying the gun for protection and its also valid reason for Castile to be reaching for the gun in spite of being told to sit still THREE TIMES. The state has not explained why Castile was carrying a gun and is it also possible he was carrying it because he was going to buy more Weed and had the gun as assurance he would be dealt with fairly? Or had it for collecting a debt or some such thing?
Anna Garnaas-Halvorson is a teacher from J.J. Hill Montessori Magnet school and was the first witness called by the state. She worked at the school where Castile served as a supervisor of food services. She testified about Castile’s good character and strong reputation within the school community. That’s nice- he has friends at work but he is not the first man who may have had a second life unknown to his colleagues! So cafeteria food supervisor is Castile`s main job with the possibility that armed robber is a side line? But AGAIN, we will never know for sure! He is beyond questioning or prosecution now!
Yanez said he opened fire because Castile was gripping his gun despite orders not to reach for it. Reynolds disputed that. Castile’s wallet was later discovered by medical staff at Hennepin County Medical Center, where he was treated for his gunshot wounds. Hospital staff weren’t able to tell investigators which pocket his wallet was in. Reynolds testified Castile kept his pocket in his back left pocket. His driver’s license and permit to carry were inside his wallet. But testimony says Castile had already handed Yanez his insurance form before the shooting- and since the wallet was still in his pants pocket when he got to hospital then were was he reaching when he was shot? What pocket was the insurance form he produced stored in? Maybe in the same pocket as the gun?
Various cops and fire dept personnel testified that Castile`s GUN was in the right pocket- that right side from which Yanez says he saw something black emerging in Castile`s right hand. Yanez obviously DID see the gun in Castile`s pants pocket and was right to be concerned when Castile did not follow instructions!
During her cross-examination, Reynolds testified that she and Castile regularly smoked marijuana and that she had smoked it on the day of the shooting. She also said they had marijuana in the car when they got pulled over, but that it was under her seat. Authorities found it inside a closed plastic bag tucked inside a jar on top of her seat. The jar’s lid was off.
Cops found 6 grams of Weed in the car. AS Castile HAD THC in his system at the time of death and as Reynolds has admitted they smoked up often and that she had smoked up earlier that day it seems pretty fair to say Castile was STONED at the time of the shooting! The ONLY questions are HOW MUCH Castile smoked and WHEN! How stoned was he?
Juan Toran was the Roseville police officer who responded to the shooting that night. He was the third cop to get to the scene and arrived when Yanez still had his gun pointed inside Castile’s car.
It was when they turned Castile’s body to place him on a backboard that he (Toran) says he saw Castile’s black semi-automatic handgun sliding out of his right front pocket. Toran said he removed it the rest of the way and placed it on the pavement in a safe location. He guarded the firearm until the scene was taped off.
James Diehl is an instructor at Total Defense gun range in Ramsey, Minn., where Castile took his permit-to-carry class before acquiring his gun permit. He testified that it’s illegal to use marijuana and carry a firearm and also for an applicant to lie on a federal permit-to-carry application about use of illegal substances. The defense alleged at trial that Castile lied about his marijuana use when he applied for his permit and therefore he acquired it illegally. Telling a little fib about Weed use is hardly unique in our modern culture. The real point is that Castile WAS STONED at the time of his death and how much it impaired his judgement?
Diehl also testified that he instructs his students to first tell officers during traffic stops that they have a permit to carry before disclosing that they have the firearm. Relaying information in reverse order could “affect (an officer’s) mind-set,” Diehl testified during cross examination,
In other testimony, James Diehl said he teaches students that, when they’re pulled over by police, first to tell officers they have a permit to carry. Then they should say they have a firearm on them, Diehl said. He said he also tells them to follow all police commands while keeping their hands visible.
“Why is that?” Gray asked.
“Mentioning you have a firearm before you say you have a permit could affect the officer’s (mind-set),” Diehl said.
“And lead to chaos?” Gray asked.
“Correct,” Diehl replied.
So the expert with experience HAS tried to warn Castile about the sort of trouble he can get into while wandering in public with a gun! And Castile was sober enough to remember SOME of his training-he did tell Yanez he had a gun but did Not sit quietly and keep his hands in plain sight. Instead Castile IGNORED three commands NOT to reach for the gun and got shot for it. Diehl also explained that under Minnesota law, a citizen does not have to tell a cop he is carrying a gun- but its not a stretch to think that Castile told Yanez about the gun because Yanez could see the outline of it in his pants pocket and figured it would be best to admit the truth? Or should we just assume Castile was stoned and not to sure what he was saying and ran into foolish trouble?
Emanuel Kapelsohn was one of a number of experts hired by both sides to testify about use of force training and related matters. Kapelsohn said it would have taken Castile three-tenths of a second to remove his gun from his pocket, versus five-tenths of a second for Yanez to react to that threat. That means that if Yanez is telling the truth about what he saw, the officer could have been shot and killed had he not responded immediately to Castile’s grip on his gun, Kapelsohn said.
This statement by Kapelsohn was dissected and disputed with no hard conclusion being reached. What we CAN be sure of is that in the sort of quick draw contest described in court- with Castile drawing his gun and Yanez responding ONLY AFTER he clearly saw Castile`s gun, it would be a VERY CLOSE contest- with NO guarantee that Yanez would come out alive. The odds presented by the experts seem to show that in that quick draw contest, the odds were more in favour of Castile and that Yanez saved his own life by shooting first rather than simply responding to movement by Castile. And THAT reaction by Yanez IS part of police training!
Other key points were made by Kapelsohn Friday morning related to the level of danger Yanez placed Castile’s girlfriend and young child in when he opened fire into Castile’s vehicle.
Had Yanez not shot, Kapelsohn said, a gunfight could have erupted between Castile, Yanez and possibly Yanez’s police partner- Kauser- who was coming up on the other side of Castile’s vehicle that night.
Instead of retreating to a safer position for himself, he added that Yanez remained at Castile’s window so he could point down and to the left to avoid injury to the other passengers in the car. “Yanez endangered himself to try and make it less dangerous for the two other people involved,” Kapelsohn said.
Another `use of force` expert suggested that Yanez should have de-escalated and disengaged from the scene by stepping away but that seems like nonsense. He was totally exposed in the street with no immediate place to hide and no guarantee that Castile would not shoot at him as he backed away.
Further, as Castile was stoned to some degree- we can only say he was not in a condition to be driving and that if Yanez had let him flee the scene it might have resulted in a car crash and more trouble! Then there is the added issue of asking this: if Yanez decided not confront Castile at that time about the armed felon suspicions because of the presence of the woman and child; then WHEN WOULD be a good time for a confrontation? Would cop haters have been any happier of cops had shown up at the school cafeteria where Castile worked-surrounded by kids- so they could arrest him there? That is the ugly side of police work- our cities are BUSY places and there are always innocent victims in the way!
Yanez was simply doing his job in seeking out a person he believed might be an armed felon. That Castile appeared to be too stoned to deal with the matter in a sensible way is NOT the fault of cops and does NOT indicate bigotry! The various `experts` agreed at trial, that if Castile had followed police instructions and his firearm training and kept his hands on the steering wheel he would be alive today. If he had been sensible, he would have left the gun at home. If he had been MORE sensible, he would not have driven the car in his stoned condition.
And if Castile lived in a country where the full and complete truth was told in open court and NOT then subject to cutting and editing by LIE-beral loving sensation seeking news media; and if we did NOT have a LIE-beral govt so desperate to cling to power that they would rather pluck out their own eyes than say anything bad about a doped up ethnic stoner, then we might not be literally throwing gasoline on the bonfire ignited by Black Lives Matter reverse bigots!
And what of the govt choice to pay the Castile family three million dollars for their pain and suffering? Since when did the govt start writing life insurance policies for armed and stupid stoners?
And it was also decided by govt that Yanez should be offered a deal to encourage HIM to leave the police force and this does seem necessary since he would forever after be a lightning rod for trouble- whether deserved or otherwise. So he was paid to take his family and leave town and you have to figure HIS payment was also in the millions in exchange for being BRIBED to slink away and not make a fuss simply because he defended himself from an armed and foolish stoner? AFTER being declared NOT GUILTY!
And is it not interesting that of the 12 jury members, 2 were black and from the start of jury deliberations they are reported to have supported Yanez! Some black people do see very clearly how the law should work! Some black people do work as store clerks and understand the issues and RISKS quite well!
Last year, the Toronto (Red) Star newspaper told us that a typical Cdn lawyer defending a client accused of murder gets paid about half a million dollars- with at least that much more going to the prosecution. Then add in all the other costs for bailiffs and court reporters and added security for such a sensational trial and lost work from the hundreds of candidates ordered to appear for possible jury selection and you have how many more hundreds of thousands in costs? So a million dollars or maybe two million for the trial and lawyers and assorted experts, plus at least five million and maybe 6 -7 million to deal with the pain and suffering of the Castile and Yanez families and you have a bill of between 6 and 10 million dollars and all because some stoner could not go out for groceries without his gun and ran into some cop who was just doing his job in hunting an armed felon!
And hey- T-gurly- we all KNOW how loud you would scream if some armed thug stole your computer! And we know how quickly you would be on the phone to the cops you hate- to urge them find and punish those who threatened you and cut off your propaganda disseminating lifeline! And if they could not find it you are just the kind of guy to assume they are racists and don’t care about your stolen property! And if they DO find it, then you will go right back to throwing mud at them! Such behaviour is called HYPOCRISY!
The Yanez shooting is the natural result of letting stoners wander around in public with guns! Guns and drugs do NOT mix! U.S. gun law forbids a stoner from carrying a gun because they are not in their right and careful minds while stoned. U.S. law recognizes that carrying a gun can cause “chaos” in a traffic stop as Diehl the firearms trainer told the court and he stressed the care with which a person carrying a gun should deal with cops. Stoner Castile did virtually NOTHING right in his meeting with Yanez and got shot for being A STUPID STONED THREAT!
The family GOT their apology- clear, sincere and in writing. Just too bad the family does not have the grace to accept it! This is not about an apology, its about an unhappy Mom trying to rub peoples noses in and punish people for the tragedy she and her child are experiencing!
Those two cops should have been canned on the spot, the question of an apology should never have come up. They acted like Assholes to a marginalized person. They should be setting the example!
Seriously?
Minneapolis police fatally shot Australian woman after hearing ‘loud sound,’ investigators say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-called-911/?utm_term=.ef153315a6b9#comments
Shooting an unarmed woman in Minneapolis... the streets are going to explode!
Minneapolis police fatally shot Australian woman after hearing ‘loud sound,’ investigators say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-called-911/?utm_term=.ef153315a6b9#comments
Shooting an unarmed woman in Minneapolis... the streets are going to explode!
How different a reaction would this have gotten if she'd been black and the cop white instead of the other way around. The shooter cop was already under investigation for two complaints at the time. He is the department's first Somali cop. If that's anything like here, the ways were greased. We got our first Somali accepted for the police a few months back. Only after the chief overruled the screening officer who disqualified him due to his past history.
I support police but it should not be legal for a police officer to refuse to speak to investigators looking into the use of force, as he has done.
Actually:
1. He's American.
2. The MPD currently has nine officers born in Somalia.
3. We got this thing called the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, which says you cannot be compelled to be a witness against yourself. Not even when it would be convenient for Canadian commenters.
