Stupid, Dumb and Just Plain Ignorant Cop Thread
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A Long Island police officer faces criminal charges after allegedly forcing a woman he arrested to perform oral sex on him, the U.S. attorney's office said.
Christopher McCoy, 38, now a suspended officer with Suffolk County Police Department, was charged with depriving an arrestee the right to bodily integrity, officials said.
A now-unsealed criminal complaint states that McCoy admitted to engaging in oral sex with the woman. He left court without a comment Thursday.
Investigators said McCoy arrested the woman on March 16 in connection with several outstanding warrants for vehicle and traffic offenses.
Her attorney Brian Egan said she was taken into custody then searched in a way that "involved the grabbing of her chest area."
The woman, whose name has been concealed, was taken to the First Precinct in Wyandanch. During the arrest processing, while McCoy was alone with the arrestee in the precinct's juvenile room, he forced her to perform oral sex, authorities said.
After she was released, the woman reported the sexual assault, according to the U.S. district attorney.
But prosecutors said McCoy's bad behavior didn't stop there. He allegedly sent the woman unsolitied text messages, including one that read, "I have to return the favor."
McCoy has been on the police force for 10 years.
"Police officers are held to a high standard, as they should be, and they certainly don't have the authority to disrespect any human being," said FBI Williams F. Sweeney, Jr., acting U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York.
"This type of conduct threatens the reputation of the vast majority of law enforcement officials who serve each day with honor and integrity."
Suffolk County cop charged after allegedly forcing woman he arrested to perform oral sex on him | New York's PIX11 / WPIX-TV
Christopher McCoy, 38, now a suspended officer with Suffolk County Police Department, was charged with depriving an arrestee the right to bodily integrity, officials said.
A now-unsealed criminal complaint states that McCoy admitted to engaging in oral sex with the woman. He left court without a comment Thursday.
Investigators said McCoy arrested the woman on March 16 in connection with several outstanding warrants for vehicle and traffic offenses.
Her attorney Brian Egan said she was taken into custody then searched in a way that "involved the grabbing of her chest area."
The woman, whose name has been concealed, was taken to the First Precinct in Wyandanch. During the arrest processing, while McCoy was alone with the arrestee in the precinct's juvenile room, he forced her to perform oral sex, authorities said.
After she was released, the woman reported the sexual assault, according to the U.S. district attorney.
But prosecutors said McCoy's bad behavior didn't stop there. He allegedly sent the woman unsolitied text messages, including one that read, "I have to return the favor."
McCoy has been on the police force for 10 years.
"Police officers are held to a high standard, as they should be, and they certainly don't have the authority to disrespect any human being," said FBI Williams F. Sweeney, Jr., acting U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York.
"This type of conduct threatens the reputation of the vast majority of law enforcement officials who serve each day with honor and integrity."
Suffolk County cop charged after allegedly forcing woman he arrested to perform oral sex on him | New York's PIX11 / WPIX-TV
Cops mistook facial powder for fentanyl, leaving Ottawa man in the lurch:
He should sue the department for defamation of character among other things and the officers involved shouldbe fired for making a false accusation.
It's fine to say what they believe, but according to the article, they seem to have spoken as if they'd already proved he had fentanyl.
He should sue the department for defamation of character among other things and the officers involved shouldbe fired for making a false accusation.
It's fine to say what they believe, but according to the article, they seem to have spoken as if they'd already proved he had fentanyl.
On the evidence in the article, he has a case for defamation, false arrest, false imprisonment, and what some U.S. states call "official oppression."
A few million out of the city treasury might teach the cops and prosecutors the value of keeping one's mouth shut until one has all the facts, and avoiding being glory hounds.
Naaaaah!
I actually said WTF out loud while reading this...........
The Nebraska State Patrol has for years forced female recruits to submit to invasive, medically unnecessary pelvic exams performed by a male doctor before they can be hired, according to a new federal lawsuit that has prompted a criminal investigation.
State Trooper Brienne Splittgerber filed the lawsuit Tuesday against the patrol, the state of Nebraska, two former patrol heads and various other people, accusing them of creating a hostile work environment for women.
"Immediately upon learning of these allegations in June, the Governor instructed his Chief Human Resources Officer to review this matter, which has subsequently resulted in a criminal investigation by the State Patrol," Taylor Gage, a spokesman for Gov. Pete Ricketts, said in a written statement Wednesday.
State Patrol spokesman Cody Thomas said no NSP recruits have undergone the pelvic exams since December 2016. Thomas did not comment on who was under investigation.
The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages, saying women recruits for years have been required to undress from the waist down for a vaginal and rectal examination. The lawsuit says Splittgerber was told the exam was required to check for hernias, but male recruits were generally not required to undress or undergo such invasive exams.
"Subjecting the plaintiff and other female trooper candidates to a medically unnecessary and sexually invasive procedure is outrageous conduct which goes beyond all possible bounds of decency and is utterly intolerable in a civilized community," according to the lawsuit, filed by Omaha attorney Tom White.
Splittgerber submitted to the exam in 2014 before she was hired by the patrol in 2015, saying in her lawsuit that she was required by a Lincoln doctor hired by the patrol to remove her pants and lie on her back, then her stomach, to be examined.
Splittgerber complained to her superiors after being told by her family doctor that there was no legitimate medical purpose for the exam. She was told an investigation was underway, the lawsuit says, but was disturbed that female patrol candidates from subsequent recruitment classes continued to be sent to the same doctor to submit to the exams.
Dr. Karen Carlson, an OB-GYN with Nebraska Medicine in Omaha, said it would be highly unusual to conduct a pelvic exam for a possible hernia. Pressing the abdomen with a hand would be standard for such a check, she said.
"There would be no reason to look in the genital or anal area," Carlson said. "We might have them loosen their pants, but I wouldn't think there would be any need to disrobe."
An attorney for the State Patrol declined to comment Wednesday, citing the pending litigation, and referred questions to the Nebraska Attorney General's office, which will defend the patrol and state against the lawsuit. A spokeswoman for the Attorney General's office would say only that her office is currently reviewing the lawsuit.
The lawsuit is the latest of several controversies that have hounded the patrol in recent years.
Earlier this year, Ricketts fired Col. Brad Rice, who was the head of the Nebraska State Patrol during most of Splittgerber's tenure with the patrol. His firing came amid an internal review launched after officers were accused of changing their story about a crash that killed a South Dakota driver who was fleeing from a trooper.
Rice's firing followed a union survey of state troopers that found widespread dissatisfaction among rank-and-file employees with the agency's management.
Ricketts appointed Rice as head of the agency in 2015 despite concerns that Rice was complicit in gender discrimination while he was a captain in the patrol. Rice served on an interview panel that denied several promotions to a female sergeant, who successfully sued for gender discrimination. Rice was also accused of saying that women shouldn't be in law enforcement - a comment Rice said was taken out of context.
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The Nebraska State Patrol has for years forced female recruits to submit to invasive, medically unnecessary pelvic exams performed by a male doctor before they can be hired, according to a new federal lawsuit that has prompted a criminal investigation.
State Trooper Brienne Splittgerber filed the lawsuit Tuesday against the patrol, the state of Nebraska, two former patrol heads and various other people, accusing them of creating a hostile work environment for women.
"Immediately upon learning of these allegations in June, the Governor instructed his Chief Human Resources Officer to review this matter, which has subsequently resulted in a criminal investigation by the State Patrol," Taylor Gage, a spokesman for Gov. Pete Ricketts, said in a written statement Wednesday.
State Patrol spokesman Cody Thomas said no NSP recruits have undergone the pelvic exams since December 2016. Thomas did not comment on who was under investigation.
The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages, saying women recruits for years have been required to undress from the waist down for a vaginal and rectal examination. The lawsuit says Splittgerber was told the exam was required to check for hernias, but male recruits were generally not required to undress or undergo such invasive exams.
"Subjecting the plaintiff and other female trooper candidates to a medically unnecessary and sexually invasive procedure is outrageous conduct which goes beyond all possible bounds of decency and is utterly intolerable in a civilized community," according to the lawsuit, filed by Omaha attorney Tom White.
Splittgerber submitted to the exam in 2014 before she was hired by the patrol in 2015, saying in her lawsuit that she was required by a Lincoln doctor hired by the patrol to remove her pants and lie on her back, then her stomach, to be examined.
Splittgerber complained to her superiors after being told by her family doctor that there was no legitimate medical purpose for the exam. She was told an investigation was underway, the lawsuit says, but was disturbed that female patrol candidates from subsequent recruitment classes continued to be sent to the same doctor to submit to the exams.
Dr. Karen Carlson, an OB-GYN with Nebraska Medicine in Omaha, said it would be highly unusual to conduct a pelvic exam for a possible hernia. Pressing the abdomen with a hand would be standard for such a check, she said.
"There would be no reason to look in the genital or anal area," Carlson said. "We might have them loosen their pants, but I wouldn't think there would be any need to disrobe."
An attorney for the State Patrol declined to comment Wednesday, citing the pending litigation, and referred questions to the Nebraska Attorney General's office, which will defend the patrol and state against the lawsuit. A spokeswoman for the Attorney General's office would say only that her office is currently reviewing the lawsuit.
The lawsuit is the latest of several controversies that have hounded the patrol in recent years.
Earlier this year, Ricketts fired Col. Brad Rice, who was the head of the Nebraska State Patrol during most of Splittgerber's tenure with the patrol. His firing came amid an internal review launched after officers were accused of changing their story about a crash that killed a South Dakota driver who was fleeing from a trooper.
Rice's firing followed a union survey of state troopers that found widespread dissatisfaction among rank-and-file employees with the agency's management.
Ricketts appointed Rice as head of the agency in 2015 despite concerns that Rice was complicit in gender discrimination while he was a captain in the patrol. Rice served on an interview panel that denied several promotions to a female sergeant, who successfully sued for gender discrimination. Rice was also accused of saying that women shouldn't be in law enforcement - a comment Rice said was taken out of context.
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Yeah, yeah... and at what point will they START investigating the thefts from cars in the area where Dafonte was loitering...seeing as it was the thefts that got him beaten......
Durham Region cops are fools not to have notified SIU immediately but beyond that there are just too many thugs getting away with too much and it makes for such confrontations- and wouldnt it be nice if Waterloo cops told us if Dafonte has any sort of police record? if he does it will make the case against Durham cops look a whole lot more mild in local peoples eyes! But that is not trhe \LIE-beral way- they would rather smear cops than admit their legal system is an impotent mess!
Four cleared of using police helicopter to film nude sunbathers
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Friday, August 04, 2017 11:47 AM EDT | Updated: Friday, August 04, 2017 11:57 AM EDT
LONDON — A British jury has cleared two police officers and two pilots of misusing a police helicopter to film people sunbathing naked and having sex.
Prosecutors say a South Yorkshire Police helicopter equipped with a powerful camera was used to film people in backyards and at a campsite in a “gross violation” of the victims’ privacy.
Another officer, Constable Adrian Pogmore, earlier pleaded guilty to making the recordings.
His four colleagues testified that they didn’t know what Pogmore was up to. Jurors at Sheffield Crown Court in northern England believed them, delivering not-guilty verdicts on Friday.
In one case, a couple was filmed having sex on their patio, with their knowledge. Prosecutors said Pogmore was “a swinging and sex-obsessed air observer” who knew the couple through the swingers’ scene.
Four cleared of using police helicopter to film nude sunbathers | Home | Toronto
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Friday, August 04, 2017 11:47 AM EDT | Updated: Friday, August 04, 2017 11:57 AM EDT
LONDON — A British jury has cleared two police officers and two pilots of misusing a police helicopter to film people sunbathing naked and having sex.
Prosecutors say a South Yorkshire Police helicopter equipped with a powerful camera was used to film people in backyards and at a campsite in a “gross violation” of the victims’ privacy.
Another officer, Constable Adrian Pogmore, earlier pleaded guilty to making the recordings.
His four colleagues testified that they didn’t know what Pogmore was up to. Jurors at Sheffield Crown Court in northern England believed them, delivering not-guilty verdicts on Friday.
In one case, a couple was filmed having sex on their patio, with their knowledge. Prosecutors said Pogmore was “a swinging and sex-obsessed air observer” who knew the couple through the swingers’ scene.
Four cleared of using police helicopter to film nude sunbathers | Home | Toronto
Hey, somebody sent me this article that some muddle headed people seem to think is an damning indictment of our legal system and police service! With some comments of my own in brackets): Consider:
Four cleared of using police helicopter to film nude sunbathers
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS. First posted: Friday, August 04, 2017 11:47 AM EDT | Updated: Friday, August 04, 2017 11:57 AM EDT
LONDON — A British jury has cleared two police officers and two pilots of misusing a police helicopter to film people sunbathing naked and having sex.
Prosecutors say a South Yorkshire Police helicopter equipped with a powerful camera was used to film people in backyards and at a campsite in a “gross violation” of the victims’ privacy.
Another officer, Constable Adrian Pogmore, earlier pleaded guilty to making the recordings.
His four colleagues testified that they didn’t know what Pogmore was up to. Jurors at Sheffield Crown Court in northern England believed them, delivering not-guilty verdicts on Friday.
In one case, a couple was filmed having sex on their patio, with their knowledge.
(OMG! Some horny citizens HAPPILY put on a show and the cop watched it while waiting to be called to his duty???? What is the world coming to?)
Prosecutors said Pogmore was “a swinging and sex-obsessed air observer” who knew the couple through the swingers’ scene.
(Gee- are there not “swinging; clubs operating daily in Toronto the Good? And the couple were FRIENDS of Constable Pogmore!)
Four cleared of using police helicopter to film nude sunbathers | Home | Toronto (Four cleared of using police helicopter to film nude sunbathers | World | News |)
(I have to say: OMG! Four cops are CLEARED! How odd? Does this sound like a blanket condemnation of our legal system when the cops are CLEARED?)
(As for the fifth cop- Pogmore- apparently some people do not understand human nature nor how cop helicopter procedure works. The copter is sent up at certain times of the day- when experience tells coppers that crimes are most likely to occur. Which means the copter just buzzes around aimlessly in circles until a crime occurs and it is called into action.)
(The pilot at least can keep busy while waiting. Pilot has to fly the machine and stay within a specified air space and keep to a certain altitude. But the cop/observer in the passenger seat is left to twiddle his thumbs until a crime occurs and he is called upon. So a bored and horny young cop- and how odd is it that a healthy young guy is horny- is left fiddling with the equipment while he kills some time and how STRANGE that the cop turns and has a look at some at some NAKED BROADS? Or turns and watches his swinger couple FRIENDS deliberately putting on a show for him?)
(And oh no, he should not be looking but he IS being true to human nature! There is a very fundamental and PRUDISH hypocrisy buried in modern feminist psychology. Some may recall Cdn Gwen Jacobs- a charming young woman who was a university student in Guelph Ontari-owe about 30 years ago and she set a legal precedent. One hot afternoon she decided to take off her shirt and go topless- just like the guys! And some poor cop- who no doubt enjoyed looking at her as much as anybody- but was compelled to do his duty- shut down the no doubt very popular Jacobs show and arrested her for indecent exposure.)
(The case went to court and the charming Ms. Jacobs- I know she was charming- I saw old news photos- explained to the judge that it is discriminatory to women that they must wear shirts in the heat even when men do not- and the judge agreed! So women are legally entitled to go topless in Ontari- owe- though as we men all know - to our eternal sorrow- very few women Do take the opportunity to doff the top! SIGH!)
Ontari-owe women understand that if you want to MINIMIZE your odds of being stared at and ogled and drooled over by men then women must keep On their tops. Men LIKE to look! Men ENJOY looking. Men will even pay good money to look!)
(So, where is the Hypocrisy? Here it is- some nude sunbathers let it all hang out and then get PISSED because some bored and horny cop- or some random guy walking down the beach turns and has a good LOOK at the fine show! If you do not want to be gawked at then you should not put it all on display! And remember- the cop and the copter were ALREADY on station and on duty- no time or fuel wasted wandering in search of naked broads! The copter was simply circling aimlessly WAITING to be called to duty.)
(So lets call this case what it is- a silly event blown WAY out of proportion by politically correct busybodies! After all, it is by no means the first time a horny guy has used govt equipment to snap photos of sunbathers. In the good old days when the Cold War raged and Cdn fighter jets were based in northern Germany, there were CONSTANT complaints from Sweden!)
(Yes, Cdn fighter pilots routinely made rather wide turns while circling to land after missions and often got some fine shots of Swedish maidens sunbathing nude- and the shots were especially detailed and clear if the pilot dipped to a LOW altitude before triggering the camera! And why not? Cdn fighter pilots were being TRAINED to fly low altitude ground support missions- hugging the terrain so as to hide from Russian radar and missiles so the sunbathing photos were seen simply as reward for a hard days work by the pilots?)
(What Gwen Jacobs and others all know is that you can un-dress like a man if you want but you will NOT be ignored as if you are a man! If you don’t want to be looked at you should recognize that airplanes give that fine birds eye view and adjust your behaviour accordingly! Its just common sense! And yes- Pogmore should have shown a little more discretion!)
Is it not remarkable that the people who have the most trouble with cops are those that have outstanding warrants and those who do not mind their own business and find themselves caught up in the troubles that others have made? Such a bunch of cop hating scoff law hypocrites!
I think with altercations regarding Cops, it's about 50/50. I've seen a few obnoxious cops and I've seen a few obnoxious thugs. Both sides make it bad for the rest of the population. I think there is one change that should be made. All cops for the first three years are issued a note book, a flash light, and a good pair of hiking boots and walk a 10 mile beat every shift.
Hearing begins for Toronto cops in black teens' arrest
By Michele Mandel, Toronto Sun
First posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 08:45 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 07:54 AM EDT
TORONTO - Almost six years after four black teens were falsely arrested at gunpoint on their way to a mentoring session in Lawrence Heights, a disciplinary hearing has finally begun for the two Toronto Police officers involved.
“Not guilty,” said Const. Adam Lourenco to three counts of misconduct including the use of unreasonable force in connection with the “Neptune four” case.
“Not guilty,” echoed Const. Scharnil Pais, Lourenco’s partner on that evening shift on Nov. 21, 2011, who faces one charge of unlawful arrest.
Watching closely were two of the four young men who saw their lives upended all those years ago. They were 15 and 16 at the time — and along with their friends, two 15-year-old twins — they were crossing the Neptune Dr. housing complex on their way to a Pathways to Education meeting.
The two officers, both with the Toronto Anti-Violence Intervention Strategy (TAVIS) unit, drove up and demanded identification. To the kids, it seemed they were once again guilty of walking while black.
One of the twins, who’d recently attended a legal seminar about his rights, tried to walk away after learning he wasn’t under arrest. For daring to do so, he claimed Lourenco punched him. And when his brother and friends tried to come to his aid, the cop is accused of pulling a gun on them and placing them all under arrest.
The beaten 15-year-old was strip-searched and kept overnight in jail, accused of threatening death and assault with intent to resist arrest. The others were charged with assaulting police.
Fortunately for them, the disturbing confrontation was caught on Toronto Housing video. All charges against the teens were withdrawn and following an investigation by the Office of the Independent Police Review Director (OIPRD), Lourenco was charged with two counts of discreditable conduct under the Police Services Act for allegedly punching the boy and drawing his firearm. He and Pais were also charged with unlawful arrest.
Last year, the start of their disciplinary hearing was stalled while the Ontario Human Rights Commission launched its unsuccessful bid for intervenor status so they could argue the teens had been racially profiled. It was further delayed when Lourenco’s defence lawyer, Lawrence Gridin, tried — but ultimately failed — to have the adjudicator recuse himself.
Now, at last, the hearing begins. Well, almost.
After the not-guilty pleas were entered and exhibits filed, including the Toronto housing videos, the tribunal was adjourned until Thursday when the teen who was punched is expected to testify.
It’s been a long time coming. In the intervening years, the Neptune four launched and settled their lawsuit against the police for racial bias, negligence and assault, and one of the twins has decided he’s had enough and won’t pursue his complaint at the tribunal.
The three remaining complainants are anxious to see this finally play out.
“On the one hand they want closure, to move on. On the other, they see it as an opportunity to tell their stories of what happened,” says their lawyer, Jeff Carolin. “It was difficult for them.”
While waiting for this to begin, Lourenco has landed in more trouble. For the second time since becoming a cop, he was convicted by a police tribunal of driving drunk. After admitting to blowing more than double the legal limit while off duty in 2016, a criminal court fined him $1,100 and suspended his licence for a year. At his March disciplinary hearing, he admitted to being an alcoholic seeking treatment. He was demoted for 21 months.
Now Lourenco’s troubled career is really on the line as he faces the three young men who insist he mistreated them just for being black.
“From our perspective, this case is about what happened when a black teenager tried to enforce his constitutional rights when he was in the context of what, we will argue, was an unlawful detention,” explained their lawyer. “You can’t look at this case without talking about racism. You can’t look at this case without talking about racial profiling, carding and all these issues that have been swirling about the media for years.”
Yet the officers’ tribunal may still try to do just that.
mmandel@postmedia.com
Hearing begins for Toronto cops in black teens' arrest | MANDEL | Toronto & GTA
By Michele Mandel, Toronto Sun
First posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 08:45 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 07:54 AM EDT
TORONTO - Almost six years after four black teens were falsely arrested at gunpoint on their way to a mentoring session in Lawrence Heights, a disciplinary hearing has finally begun for the two Toronto Police officers involved.
“Not guilty,” said Const. Adam Lourenco to three counts of misconduct including the use of unreasonable force in connection with the “Neptune four” case.
“Not guilty,” echoed Const. Scharnil Pais, Lourenco’s partner on that evening shift on Nov. 21, 2011, who faces one charge of unlawful arrest.
Watching closely were two of the four young men who saw their lives upended all those years ago. They were 15 and 16 at the time — and along with their friends, two 15-year-old twins — they were crossing the Neptune Dr. housing complex on their way to a Pathways to Education meeting.
The two officers, both with the Toronto Anti-Violence Intervention Strategy (TAVIS) unit, drove up and demanded identification. To the kids, it seemed they were once again guilty of walking while black.
One of the twins, who’d recently attended a legal seminar about his rights, tried to walk away after learning he wasn’t under arrest. For daring to do so, he claimed Lourenco punched him. And when his brother and friends tried to come to his aid, the cop is accused of pulling a gun on them and placing them all under arrest.
The beaten 15-year-old was strip-searched and kept overnight in jail, accused of threatening death and assault with intent to resist arrest. The others were charged with assaulting police.
Fortunately for them, the disturbing confrontation was caught on Toronto Housing video. All charges against the teens were withdrawn and following an investigation by the Office of the Independent Police Review Director (OIPRD), Lourenco was charged with two counts of discreditable conduct under the Police Services Act for allegedly punching the boy and drawing his firearm. He and Pais were also charged with unlawful arrest.
Last year, the start of their disciplinary hearing was stalled while the Ontario Human Rights Commission launched its unsuccessful bid for intervenor status so they could argue the teens had been racially profiled. It was further delayed when Lourenco’s defence lawyer, Lawrence Gridin, tried — but ultimately failed — to have the adjudicator recuse himself.
Now, at last, the hearing begins. Well, almost.
After the not-guilty pleas were entered and exhibits filed, including the Toronto housing videos, the tribunal was adjourned until Thursday when the teen who was punched is expected to testify.
It’s been a long time coming. In the intervening years, the Neptune four launched and settled their lawsuit against the police for racial bias, negligence and assault, and one of the twins has decided he’s had enough and won’t pursue his complaint at the tribunal.
The three remaining complainants are anxious to see this finally play out.
“On the one hand they want closure, to move on. On the other, they see it as an opportunity to tell their stories of what happened,” says their lawyer, Jeff Carolin. “It was difficult for them.”
While waiting for this to begin, Lourenco has landed in more trouble. For the second time since becoming a cop, he was convicted by a police tribunal of driving drunk. After admitting to blowing more than double the legal limit while off duty in 2016, a criminal court fined him $1,100 and suspended his licence for a year. At his March disciplinary hearing, he admitted to being an alcoholic seeking treatment. He was demoted for 21 months.
Now Lourenco’s troubled career is really on the line as he faces the three young men who insist he mistreated them just for being black.
“From our perspective, this case is about what happened when a black teenager tried to enforce his constitutional rights when he was in the context of what, we will argue, was an unlawful detention,” explained their lawyer. “You can’t look at this case without talking about racism. You can’t look at this case without talking about racial profiling, carding and all these issues that have been swirling about the media for years.”
Yet the officers’ tribunal may still try to do just that.
mmandel@postmedia.com
Hearing begins for Toronto cops in black teens' arrest | MANDEL | Toronto & GTA
You are still going the wrong way....you are tryingb to disarm the cops instead of the thugs! And you are discounting the efforts by LIE-beral loving media to HIDE the amount of black crime! Consider:
It becomes ever more clear why cops end up shooting people. As I have said before-too many people become drooling idiots and forget how to behave when confronted by a cop just doing his job! The following report by Joe Warmington of Toronto Sun News illustrates a disturbing social trend. I include some comments of my own in brackets) along with his informative report:
Young armed punks brazen in cop stare down
By Joe Warmington, Toronto Sun. First posted: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 07:06 PM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 09:54 PM EDT
Neil Corrigan
Toronto - It was an armed standoff in Kensington Market few even knew about.
At one end of an alley in the heart of the Spadina and College-area market there were three young punks, armed and dangerous. At the other end were two Toronto Police officers looking for three fitting the description of armed robbery suspects.
The potential for blood, death, funerals and God knows what else was not only possible, but imminent on June 8.
“This is where the rubber meets the road,” said Supt. Neil Corrigan, unit commander of Toronto Police’s 14 Division.
In almost 30 years as a Toronto cop, Corrigan thought he has pretty much seen it all. But he had never seen what happened next.
“Normally when the police arrive, in my experience, young people just run away,” he said. Not anymore.
Instead the trio starred down police and started hurling insults and challenged the officers. “They had no fear of police and no understanding of the job we are sworn to do,” said Corrigan.
(I personally would suggest the kids simply have no CARE for the job cops do!)
The teens had allegedly just robbed eight people at gunpoint outside a coffee shop at Bellevue and Nassau. “One of the victims was a female who was poked in the ribs by a handgun. Others lost their wallets and cell phones, credit cards and cash. They were all traumatized.”
Meanwhile, the thugs were ”yelling that the police have no power to do anything and there is nothing we could do,” Corrigan said. “They were wrong.”
They just didn’t know it yet.
“One of the youths brushed up against a car in the alley and there was a loud clang. Right away my officers knew the suspect was armed with a heavy-duty gun.”
Calling it “remarkable” policing, his officers swooped in and arrested two of the youths.
Aged 15 and 16, they are in custody and two loaded handguns are off the street. They next day, police arrested the third suspect, 16, but are still looking for his gun.
They will appear at 311 Jarvis St. court Thursday at 9 a.m. The charges include “robbery with firearm, point firearm, use firearm in commission of offence, unauthorized possession of a firearm, possession of a restricted firearm with ammunition, possession of firearm contrary to prohibition order, possession of a weapon obtained by crime” as well as bail and probation condition breaches.
“It’s just pure luck no one was hurt or killed,” said Det.-Sgt. Ian McArthur, of 14 Division Criminal Investigation Bureau.
What about next time?
In a climate of banned carding and soft-on-crime courts, today’s young, armed criminal doesn’t seem to have any fear of carrying loaded guns or using them.
Corrigan says the defiance and notion among armed youth that officers are handcuffed thanks to politics and regulations is alarming because he shudders to think what could have transpired.
This is why he took to Twitter and Facebook.
On Twitter he wrote June 9: “Bad guys believe cops are not allowed to stop or talk to them, is that why so many seem to carry guns now?
Robbery suspects with guns tell my officers, Cops cant stop us or talk to us. They were WRONG. At TPS14Div; at TPSOperations
— Neil Corrigan (at) SuptCorrigan) June 9, 2016
On Facebook: “My officers respond to a robbery call, they located two suspects nearby who tell my officers that the police can’t stop them and can’t talk to them! The suspects are armed with two concealed guns in their pockets yet they believe the police are no longer allowed to stop or talk to them. That is the problem!!”
(I say this is the fault of LIE-berals-those craven vote seeking cowards who never met a citizen they didn’t think they could not both bribe and baffle with their bullshit! LIE-beral `hug a thug` judges with their `catch and release` mentality are allowing thugs to think of themselves as victims of white bigotry. This is an obvious problem when the REAL dual problems are crap attitude on the part of black thugs and a debauched and ruined economy with no real jobs available thanks to LIE-beral taxed to the max attitudes!)
“This is all about community safety,” said Corrigan. “Safety for my officers, safety for everybody.”
But when you have young criminals who have no respect for police, are so brazen, there is an issue that needs to be dealt with.
“That’s why I wrote what I wrote,” said Corrigan.
It’s more preferable than writing a letter to the widow of another slain police officer or parent of a dead kid shot by police. Corrigan almost had to write a bunch of them last week.
jwarmington at postmedia
WHAT IS CARDING?
”Carding” or “street checks” occur when police officers stop a person in a capacity that does not involve arrest and leads to that person providing the officer with personal information. Police record the information and keep it on file for intelligence purposes.
HOW DID WE GET HERE?
Members of a number of Toronto’s minority communities have contended for years that they are disproportionately targeted by police officers during street checks. They say that the practice is racially motivated, has undermined trust in officers, and violates privacy and charter rights.
(I say it is understandable that black parents would not wish to see their kids end up in jail but the ugly fact is that black kids are committing all manner of crimes and crap excuses by their parents an pals won’t/shouldn’t keep thugs from punishment.
In March, the Ontario government brought in new rules for police engagement with the public. The rules spell out how police can approach individuals who are not a witness or suspect in a crime. They also prohibit the practice of carding.
(I say the new rules of engagement are a CRAVEN LIE-beral sop to the most irresponsible and outright stupid members of the community-nothing but LIE-beral vote buying at the expense of public safety! Further, there are valid reasons why young offenders ought not to be sent to jail-not least because they end up picking up contacts and ideas for future crimes from older thugs. And of course they often end up victimized in various ways by older convicts.)
(But the LIE-beral approved slap on the wrist is clearly not suitable for armed and dangerous morons! Corporal punishment-caning is clearly the answer for these young, strong, arrogant thugs-so convinced we can do nothing against them!)
(LIE-beral whiners call caning or other corporal punishment barbaric but what other HONEST option is there? Is it fair to ignore the crap attitude of these dorks until such time as they commit a crime serious enough that they be labeled as dangerous offenders and get locked away for decades? If a dog bites, we recognize the danger and deal with it-why NOT so with armed goon kids? If LIE-berals are so concerned for these morons, then WHY are they not willing to take dramatic steps to try to save them from their own ignorance and confusion before the damage is PERMANENT?)
( The basic laws of peace and order of our society are under attack by gun toting morons-and it stands to reason that a series of serious cracks on the ass with a cane-as is done in India and such places offers a quick, cheap and very effective means of reminding our thugs that we are displeased with their behaviour!)
(Certainly caning offers a real alternative to sending young thugs to `Holiday Innis`-the youth facility in Innisfil that is simply a holding ground for morons whom LIE-beral judges have not got around to releasing-or not yet sent back home to `house arrest`-with hopeless and ineffectual Mommy acting as jailer to the still defiant goon!)
Toronto’s police association has defended carding, saying it is a legitimate investigative tool that brings down crime rates.
(Strange to say Toronto Red Star AGREES with cops in this. Toronto Red Star did an article last year about how quiet its gotten in youth court since `carding` was curtailed!)
(But of course real action by LIE-berals to bring back `carding` or to impose real punishment on seriously defiant thugs would expose the dangerous holes in LIE-beral philosophy! Even worse, re-introducing carding and using corporal punishment might result in LIE-berals losing ethnic votes-and this is of far greater interest to LIE-berals than any amount of public safety! )
(Congratulations to LIE-berals for having destroyed the economy with insane taxes, loaded us up with massive debts, ruined the credibility of our legal system with hug a thug garbage and made a serious mess of public safety! But that`s LIE-berals for you-too stupid to follow and too corrupt to lead!)
Did you see my post......?
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/h...ust-plain-nice-4.html?highlight=compassionate
Some day you'll have to tell us what the brand name of beer it is that you drink........
Cop pulled gun on teens, hearing told
By Michele Mandel, Toronto Sun
First posted: Thursday, August 10, 2017 07:54 PM EDT | Updated: Thursday, August 10, 2017 08:12 PM EDT
He was a dark-skinned kid on his way to a Lawrence Heights mentoring program, and a Toronto police officer had just punched him to the ground and pulled a gun on him and his friends, warning, “Don’t move or I’ll f------ kill you.”
His account is as harrowing as it is enraging. He had dared to exercise his legal right to walk away when he learned he wasn’t under arrest. By the end of his encounter with Const. Adam Lourenco and Const. Scharnil Pais on Nov. 21, 2011, the beaten teen was facing five charges, including threatening death and assaulting police, and was strip-searched and held overnight for a bail hearing.
He was just 15
But how the tables have turned — he’s no longer that terrified kid of six years ago but a poised and confident 21-year-old university student. And the ones now facing the charges — albeit police act ones — are the two police officers he says unlawfully arrested him, his twin and two friends.
Pais faces one count of unlawful arrest while Lourenco is charged with unlawful arrest as well as two counts of using unreasonable force for allegedly punching the teen and pointing his gun at the four of them. Both officers pleaded not guilty earlier this week.
The alleged victim, who can’t be identified due to a publication ban, told the police disciplinary hearing that they were all heading across the parking lot from their Neptune Ave. housing project to their Pathways to Education meeting at Sir Sanford Fleming high school. Pathways, he explained, was a tutoring and mentoring program designed to keep at-risk youth in school. The four teens — all 15 or 16 — hadn’t taken more than 12 steps before they were stopped by Lourenco and Pais, who’d pulled up in an unmarked black vehicle.
“We have police officers yelling at us when we were just walking,” he recalled.
They were “aggressive and hostile” from the start, he said, announcing that they were investigating a robbery in the area and demanding identification. “I was 15-years-old. I didn’t have ID.” He told Lourenco he lived in the nearby building and he could talk to his mom, but he wasn’t interested, he said.
The teen had recently completed a justice program that taught youth about their rights when interacting with police. He put it into play: He asked if he was under arrest and was told he wasn’t. He asked if he could go and Lourenco, he said, didn’t answer. So he took a step.
He’d pay dearly for that move.
Lourenco began angrily shoving him backwards, he said, isolating him from the others while calling him a “bitch,” “smart ass” and “wannabe thug.” The cop then “decides to randomly punch me in the midsection a couple of times and he gave me a big punch to my head.”
He fell to the ground and his brother and friends tried to come to his aid. They stopped, he said, when Lourenco suddenly pulled his gun, warning them not to move or he’d shoot. “I was very scared. I was shocked.”
He denied spitting at Lourenco or touching him before he was punched.
Meanwhile Pais, he said, turned a blind eye to what was happening and just sat the other boys down. Lourenco holstered his weapon and then handcuffed him, asking if they were too tight. “I said, ‘Yes.’ He makes it even tighter.”
Lourenco, he said, kneed him in the back, scraped his face on the concrete and then did something even more chilling: He cut his own thumb on his utility belt and held it up. “Look,” he allegedly told him, “you just assaulted a police officer.”
The cop then proceeded to wipe the blood on his white vest, he said.
The teen’s serious youth charges were withdrawn months later after security video surfaced from Toronto Housing that showed him being punched by police and a gun pointed at him. That same disturbing footage was played at the tribunal as he calmly narrated what transpired. “The videos helped me a lot,” he said.
The frightening thing is this: Without that evidence, who would have ever believed him over a police officer?
The hearing continues Friday.
Read Mandel Wednesday through Saturday.
Cop pulled gun on teens, hearing told | MANDEL | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto
By Michele Mandel, Toronto Sun
First posted: Thursday, August 10, 2017 07:54 PM EDT | Updated: Thursday, August 10, 2017 08:12 PM EDT
He was a dark-skinned kid on his way to a Lawrence Heights mentoring program, and a Toronto police officer had just punched him to the ground and pulled a gun on him and his friends, warning, “Don’t move or I’ll f------ kill you.”
His account is as harrowing as it is enraging. He had dared to exercise his legal right to walk away when he learned he wasn’t under arrest. By the end of his encounter with Const. Adam Lourenco and Const. Scharnil Pais on Nov. 21, 2011, the beaten teen was facing five charges, including threatening death and assaulting police, and was strip-searched and held overnight for a bail hearing.
He was just 15
But how the tables have turned — he’s no longer that terrified kid of six years ago but a poised and confident 21-year-old university student. And the ones now facing the charges — albeit police act ones — are the two police officers he says unlawfully arrested him, his twin and two friends.
Pais faces one count of unlawful arrest while Lourenco is charged with unlawful arrest as well as two counts of using unreasonable force for allegedly punching the teen and pointing his gun at the four of them. Both officers pleaded not guilty earlier this week.
The alleged victim, who can’t be identified due to a publication ban, told the police disciplinary hearing that they were all heading across the parking lot from their Neptune Ave. housing project to their Pathways to Education meeting at Sir Sanford Fleming high school. Pathways, he explained, was a tutoring and mentoring program designed to keep at-risk youth in school. The four teens — all 15 or 16 — hadn’t taken more than 12 steps before they were stopped by Lourenco and Pais, who’d pulled up in an unmarked black vehicle.
“We have police officers yelling at us when we were just walking,” he recalled.
They were “aggressive and hostile” from the start, he said, announcing that they were investigating a robbery in the area and demanding identification. “I was 15-years-old. I didn’t have ID.” He told Lourenco he lived in the nearby building and he could talk to his mom, but he wasn’t interested, he said.
The teen had recently completed a justice program that taught youth about their rights when interacting with police. He put it into play: He asked if he was under arrest and was told he wasn’t. He asked if he could go and Lourenco, he said, didn’t answer. So he took a step.
He’d pay dearly for that move.
Lourenco began angrily shoving him backwards, he said, isolating him from the others while calling him a “bitch,” “smart ass” and “wannabe thug.” The cop then “decides to randomly punch me in the midsection a couple of times and he gave me a big punch to my head.”
He fell to the ground and his brother and friends tried to come to his aid. They stopped, he said, when Lourenco suddenly pulled his gun, warning them not to move or he’d shoot. “I was very scared. I was shocked.”
He denied spitting at Lourenco or touching him before he was punched.
Meanwhile Pais, he said, turned a blind eye to what was happening and just sat the other boys down. Lourenco holstered his weapon and then handcuffed him, asking if they were too tight. “I said, ‘Yes.’ He makes it even tighter.”
Lourenco, he said, kneed him in the back, scraped his face on the concrete and then did something even more chilling: He cut his own thumb on his utility belt and held it up. “Look,” he allegedly told him, “you just assaulted a police officer.”
The cop then proceeded to wipe the blood on his white vest, he said.
The teen’s serious youth charges were withdrawn months later after security video surfaced from Toronto Housing that showed him being punched by police and a gun pointed at him. That same disturbing footage was played at the tribunal as he calmly narrated what transpired. “The videos helped me a lot,” he said.
The frightening thing is this: Without that evidence, who would have ever believed him over a police officer?
The hearing continues Friday.
Read Mandel Wednesday through Saturday.
Cop pulled gun on teens, hearing told | MANDEL | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto
Here is another article illustrating the utterly insane working conditions that cops must now deal with. Along with some comments of my own in brackets):
Pistol-packing bride arrested for pointing gun at groom.
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS. First posted: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 11:58 AM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 12:02 PM EDT
MURFREESBORO, Tenn. — A Tennessee bride was arrested hours after saying “I do” when authorities say she pointed a gun at her groom.
Murfreesboro police Sgt. Kyle Evans told WTVF-TV on Monday that 25-year-old Kate Elizabeth Prichard was still in her wedding dress when she was arrested on an aggravated domestic assault charge.
(Gee-times have changed- used to be it was a garter the bride had strapped to her thigh? And WHO takes a gun to a wedding anyway?)
Evans says officers responded to a report of Prichard and her husband arguing at a Clarion Inn motel a few hours after they were married. Police say witnesses reported that Prichard pulled a 9 mm pistol out of her dress, pointed it at her husband’s head and pulled the trigger.
The gun wasn’t loaded. Police say Prichard then loaded a round in the chamber and fired a shot in the air.
It’s unclear if Prichard has an attorney.
(Yeah- I bet there is a whole LOT that is unclear with Prichard! But her behaviour illustrates yet again how dangerous it is for a cop to interact with the often drugged, frequently drunk and often mentally ill public!)
Oh dear me.....those 3 cops got off....exactly as I predicted! Because the thing was nothing more than a witch hunt anyway! And Sun reporter Mandel is showing her age and dating herself with her comments about male behaviour! And she is apparently unaware that there are swingers clubs operating in Ontari-owe and that some people like a good big pile up of bodies! Some people Do treat their genitals like an amusement park ride and want to get on repeatedly!
The problem with this case is that a drunken goof of a woman-in company with 3 other drunken goofs did some things that she has come to regret and she has tried to use the law as a bludgeon to turn back time! Too bad she never read any of those labels advising her to drink RESPONSIBLY! And now she has cost us a pile of money in court costs, legal fees and put 3 cop on the sidelines at full pay for an extended period!
Any decent lawyer could see there was no hope of a conviction but the LIE-beral minded prosecutor was more interested in exhibiting good LIE-beral values- they are feminists you know- because they think they can buy more votes that way!
And it all comes down to "dont get sh+t-faced drunk in public if you dont want to be hit on by horny co-workers- and dont get so sh+t-faced that the co-workers start to look GOOD!