[QUOTESinister;2442665]Utter nonsense, Colpy, and you know it. Every country where gun ownership has increased has experienced higher rates of gun deaths. You do realize that in the US the highest rates of gun violence are in states with very high gun ownership?
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It seems everyone who makes these arguments prefixes with "gun". Violence is violence and death is death, and with news if it bleeds it leads but if prefixed "gun" it leads with a vengeance. The media hates guns and will sensationalize it to the max. But the fact remains that the cities and states with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest rates of violent crime, and as I said death is death, whether it is by baseball bat, machete, knife, frying pan, whatever, but guns make news.
In fact, violent crime actually increased, a lot, in England and Australia after they passed their draconian firearms laws. Sure maybe gun crime went down, but who cares if the victims are made defenseless as long as there is no shooting.
[QUOTESinister;2442665] The restrictions on firearms in Canada were enacted just as firearms sales in Canada began to take off, following the US model. I suspect that if it had not been stopped Canada would be facing the same carnage as the USA.
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You may suspect a lot of things, but that doesn't make it fact. You are getting your cause and effect backward. Firearms sales were stable in Canada for many years, up until the Libs proposed the law, it took full effect years later, and like every time there is a lead up to restrictions sales will go up. That has proven true over the years as Obama proposed restrictions, the thought being that you can't take what I already have. In fact, firearm sales are again increasing in Canada, possibly because of uncertainty with J.T.
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And it was nice of you to use the Northwest Territories as an example. You do realize the NWT has the highest rate of gun ownership in Canada and that is is the part of Canada most resembling a so-called Third world nation?
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So what? There are a lot of places that are a lot worse. Firearm ownership in LaLoche is much higher than average too but the weapon of choice in my time there was a blunt object, or axe, or even a truck. One violent event in a place rife with it made national news because it contained not one but two sensational features, a gun and a school.
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Stop trying to excuse the US horror show and accept it for what it is - a country where citizens are so afraid of their neighbours that they arm themselves to the teeth and then act surprised when a few of them decide to shoot one another.[/QUOTE=Bar ]
It is only a horror show because of the 24 hour news cycle, when my Grandpa lived in Detroit shootings, stabbings, beatings never even made the news, (bombings did though) and it was a much more violent place then. They even advertised for cops, min grade 10, full pension upon retirement in ten years.
If I had violent neighbours I'd be afraid too, and criminals don't seem to want to obey the law, funny that.
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It seems everyone who makes these arguments prefixes with "gun". Violence is violence and death is death, and with news if it bleeds it leads but if prefixed "gun" it leads with a vengeance. The media hates guns and will sensationalize it to the max. But the fact remains that the cities and states with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest rates of violent crime, and as I said death is death, whether it is by baseball bat, machete, knife, frying pan, whatever, but guns make news.
In fact, violent crime actually increased, a lot, in England and Australia after they passed their draconian firearms laws. Sure maybe gun crime went down, but who cares if the victims are made defenseless as long as there is no shooting.
[QUOTESinister;2442665] The restrictions on firearms in Canada were enacted just as firearms sales in Canada began to take off, following the US model. I suspect that if it had not been stopped Canada would be facing the same carnage as the USA.
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You may suspect a lot of things, but that doesn't make it fact. You are getting your cause and effect backward. Firearms sales were stable in Canada for many years, up until the Libs proposed the law, it took full effect years later, and like every time there is a lead up to restrictions sales will go up. That has proven true over the years as Obama proposed restrictions, the thought being that you can't take what I already have. In fact, firearm sales are again increasing in Canada, possibly because of uncertainty with J.T.
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And it was nice of you to use the Northwest Territories as an example. You do realize the NWT has the highest rate of gun ownership in Canada and that is is the part of Canada most resembling a so-called Third world nation?
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So what? There are a lot of places that are a lot worse. Firearm ownership in LaLoche is much higher than average too but the weapon of choice in my time there was a blunt object, or axe, or even a truck. One violent event in a place rife with it made national news because it contained not one but two sensational features, a gun and a school.
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Stop trying to excuse the US horror show and accept it for what it is - a country where citizens are so afraid of their neighbours that they arm themselves to the teeth and then act surprised when a few of them decide to shoot one another.[/QUOTE=Bar ]
It is only a horror show because of the 24 hour news cycle, when my Grandpa lived in Detroit shootings, stabbings, beatings never even made the news, (bombings did though) and it was a much more violent place then. They even advertised for cops, min grade 10, full pension upon retirement in ten years.
If I had violent neighbours I'd be afraid too, and criminals don't seem to want to obey the law, funny that.
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