Man kills three suspected burglars with AR-15 rifle

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In canada, the firearms safety course does not discuss any protocol during a self defense scenario.

The homeowner with a firearm will react according to what is reasonable in his fearful panicked untrained state of mind and his lawyer will have no problems defending his actions once fear for life is established.

It is not reasonable to expect an untrained firearms owner whose only experience is safe gun handling practises and duck hunting - it is nOT reasonable to expect him to behave like a seasoned police officer.

Hell, you are in a fools paradise if you expect all young police officers to behave like a seasoned police officer.

They should be trainin' them for the "quick draw", eh Pilgrim?
 

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We are missing details. There is no info on whether or not the dead teens were armed or not or if the shooter tried to apprehend them without shooting or if any members of the man's family were endangered. If the gun owner simply shot the suspects down then he is guilty of murder by most standards.

They broke into his house. How much more do you need.
Some jurisdictions have good criminal laws. Unlike the catch and release program we have in Canada.

She is Hispanic, one of the dead an Injun and 2 Caucasians.

ILM doesn't get the same media attention as BLM.

Geeez man, talk about picking the wrong house... LOL :lol:

They won't make that mistake twice.

No, I am someone who would be quite concerned if a crazed neighbour gunned down three criminals next to my home. Did the gunman even fire a warning shot or attempt to warn the criminal away? From the reports of the incident he only called the police after he had already killed the three intruders. That is the sort of vigilante justice that endangers the innocent as well as the guilty.

This is a perfect example of how justice should work. You should be happy to have a neighbour like MR.Peters since he would probably protect your worthless azz the same as he would his own family.

It is vigilantism pure and simple. Three teens are dead because they were stupid enough to commit a minor crime and US law allows panicked citizens to take the law into their own hands instead of calling the police. In Canada the shooter would almost certainly be charged.

That is because we have stupid laws in Canada.
 

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Sorry but you are sounding like the usual right wing gun nut. The shooter had more than enough time to call the police. He even had enough time to leave the house. As I said, in Canada he would almost certainly be charged.

They entered his house without permission, in pursuit of nefarious aims.

English Common Law: Open season.

There is no requirement, morally or legally, to retreat from evil-doers. Yes, Virginia, that includes Canada. You must be "...in immediate danger of death or grievous bodily harm", but once that prerequisite is met, lethal force is absolutely allowed. Being threatened with a knife counts.

In Canada, the homeowner would be charged with "unsafe storage", assuming he shot all three inside the house..........a frivolous charge, which would cost him tens of thousands of dollars to beat. Persecution by prosecution.

Now, while I may have acted differently (I've been in the position to legally shoot a criminal threatening me, and I did not shoot) I refuse to sanction second-guessing the actions of a man against armed intruders inside his house.
 

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I wouldn't second guess either.

To the rest: Everyone on the Internets is a lawyer. The DA's office will make the call. The majority of you can relax until that happens. Those who object can post about your phone call to that DA and tell us what they said when you told them, "I am acrimonious!"

Oh wait. It's the Internets.

Regardless, those three will not make that mistake again. Darwin wins.
 
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Johnnny

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Im second guessing him. After he shot the first person it was shoot to thrill after that.

Im not saying he didnt have a right to protect himself and his property but the threat was obviously minimal after the first death. This kid is not competent in the use of a firearm and a little boy who is probably a real coward without his gun

The law is on his side. The law is on Don Meridiths side. But in the end your a gun owner and if shooting is your only move then you cannot prove to me you are competent in using firearms
 

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Im second guessing him. After he shot the first person it was shoot to thrill after that.

Im not saying he didnt have a right to protect himself and his property but the threat was obviously minimal after the first death. This kid is not competent in the use of a firearm and a little boy who is probably a real coward without his gun

The law is on his side. The law is on Don Meridiths side. But in the end your a gun owner and if shooting is your only move then you cannot prove to me you are competent in using firearms

The question then is where the 2nd and third victim shot in the back?
 

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If they were, then he would have been charged already. The law is the same in most jurisdictions in Canada nd the US. If a perp is fleeing (heading away) from the scene, he has to be pursued, not shot. (Some conditions apply)
 

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Now, while I may have acted differently (I've been in the position to legally shoot a criminal threatening me, and I did not shoot) I refuse to sanction second-guessing the actions of a man against armed intruders inside his house.

Ive had guns pulled on mefrom drug deals gone bad, ive had someone try to attack me with a knife, heck i have even had selfsames cousin from Iraq attack me withan AK47in Iraq, and ontop of that i come from a family that owns more guns than most of my cities residents combined.

Am i an expect? No, Am i an internet lawyer? No. What iam is someone who doesnt agreewith the course of actions.

If they were, then he would have been charged already.

What if they pleaded? We will never know. Stand your ground sjpuld not be a carte blache. If you think a good shot is what makes a competent operator then your wrong
 

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You're playing the 'what if' game, giving the perps all the breaks, and the homeowner none.

As I posted earlier, if there was any wrongdoing on the defender's part, the DA will charge him.
 

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The question then is where the 2nd and third victim shot in the back?

Does it matter? There was no shoot out this kid would have had to hunt the last two. He would have had to search them out. He searched them out killed them and then barricaded himself after the fact. These are bot the actions of someone who is in distress
 

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These three little punks broke into a man's home with the intent to at least steal his stuff, armed sufficiently to kill or seriously maim anyone they might encounter. THe homeowner rightfully defended his turf. All three will never re offended and it never cost the taxpayer a dime. Nuff said.
 

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You're playing the 'what if' game, giving the perps all the breaks, and the homeowner none.

As I posted earlier, if there was any wrongdoing on the defender's part, the DA will charge him.

By only holding the homeowner accountable to the deaths of only 2 not the whole 3? Thats an example of me giving the homeowner a break

The law needs to be rewritten.
 

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The only information I could find was that the homeowner's son heard noises and that the three were breaking in through the back door.If you know something that the investigating officers don't you should tell them.

The police and the DA will do their jobs. Never assume. Don't play the 'what if' game.
 

Johnnny

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You're playing the 'what if' game, giving the perps all the breaks, and the homeowner none.

As I posted earlier, if there was any wrongdoing on the defender's part, the DA will charge him.

He wont be charged we know this.

You cannot convince me that after shooting the first dead that he was in danger still.

The only information I could find was that the homeowner's son heard noises and that the three were breaking in through the back door.If you know something that the investigating officers don't you should tell them.

The police and the DA will do their jobs. Never assume. Don't play the 'what if' game.

The sequence of deaths does not convince me he was in a continued state of danger.
 

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He wont be charged we know this.

You cannot convince me that after shooting the first dead that he was in danger still.



The sequence of deaths does not convince me he was in a continued state of danger.

A's long as he didn't shoot any of them in the back he had a perfect right to eliminate the danger.