NDP proposes to cut hydro rates by up to 30%

Jinentonix

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Nuclear is a bad word, Pete!
Oh geez, tell me about it. Been getting into it with the Ontario Clean Air Alliance over nuclear power. Those idiots are so wrapped up in the ideological narrative that they truly believe the entire country can be powered with sunshine, unicorn farts and hydroelectric.

Sadly, I just read that nuclear power in Canada will probably be phased out as well. Not necessarily because of any ideological nonsense but because Canada is getting out of the nuclear reactor game. There will be no more Candus and there's nothing that looks to be replacing them in the nuclear dept in the near future. Seems no one but us is interested in a nuclear power set up that's pretty much useless for creating weapons grade material. And the next generation of NPPs while a major improvement, are so prohibitively expensive I don't see too many govts or corporations jumping at the chance to build any.

"And it will take longer to pay off. That's also true. But it is fairer, because it doesn't ask this generation of hydro customers alone to pay the freight for everyone before and after."
Smoke and friggin' mirrors. It's not the goddam rates, it's the rest of the crap attached to the bill. Much of which, let's face it, is highly questionable.
 

lone wolf

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Darlington - a project that was cut by four reactors and still went seven billion dollars over budget isn't paid off yet and it's already 300 million over budget on a $13 billion rebuild. Ontario should have never bulled ahead of the more cautious federal approach
 

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Yes but the Brownies have no idea what to do about Hydro. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. He really is pathetic. I'm convinced they missed their chance to Wynne over the Wynneites buy not picking Christine Elliot..... LISTEN- 'An unmitigated disaster': Listeners, analysts pan Patrick Brown interview

I listened to that and posted something about it on another thread. When I listened to him, I realized that this was not the response of a leader. It was an endless, unfocused rant. Long on complaints and slamming the Liberals, but short on solutions.

If you go to Facebook - www.facebook.com/votepatrickbrown Watch his video about Cap and Trade. Tell me what he said that even briefly outlines the PC plan to combat this. The only thing he said was that they would come up with something "revenue neutral".

Most of the video talks about him visiting places in Ontario and the hard working Ontarians. Possible solutions weren't even hinted at. And he is a very poor speaker. Strained, almost painful to listen to. He needs public speaking lessons badly. He doesn't come across as sincere.

Poke around there and you will see that the majority of posters say the same thing: What's your plan for (insert problem here)? He doesn't have any plan.

No wonder Horwath's rating as leader is higher than his. What were the Ontario PCs thinking when they elected him?
 

lone wolf

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Probably the same thing as they did with Hoodat.... They don't want to be in power. They want someone else to do their dirty work then march in as saviours when it's all over and done with and nothing can be done to fix it
 

petros

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Darlington - a project that was cut by four reactors and still went seven billion dollars over budget isn't paid off yet and it's already 300 million over budget on a $13 billion rebuild. Ontario should have never bulled ahead of the more cautious federal approach

Fed project.
 

Said1

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Mine is about 150 a month - I,m alone in a small 2 bedroom apartment. I rarely cook, although I do use hot water and lights once in awhile haha.

I should add thats without the hot water tank rental, about 40 a month on top of the 150.
 

Said1

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my rent is adjusted for this expense. If it was included, theyd make up for it through the rental amount. those are my choices, pay more in rent or pay a hydro bill.
 

petros

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Troll on..... Ontario Hydro was not Fed

Don't bother looking it up

Give a minute and I'll post a 2 month BC Hydro bill for my 2brm condo.

You'll sh-t.

 

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"The facility was constructed in stages between 1981–1993 by the provincial Crown corporation, Ontario Hydro. Unit 2 was brought online in 1990, Unit 1 in 1992, and Units 3 and 4 in 1993. In April 1999 Ontario Hydro was split into 5 component Crown corporations with Ontario Power Generation (OPG) taking over all electrical generating stations. The Darlington reactors have been among the best performing in OPG's CANDU fleet, "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlington_Nuclear_Generating_Station
geez I'll look it up
 

tay

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You mean YOU wouldn't bother looking it up.

Equal billing in a 53 foot trailer heated by gas I pay $252/mo. It has been as high as $336/mo and I haven't changed the way I light. Ten years ago it was $72.00 - no delivery and no Global Adjustment fees
Are you in Ontario?

Wynne has not yet forced the Ont Energy Board to have GA fee to be shown on the bill....


Premier Kathleen Wynne says she's open to adding a line on hydro bills so Ontario consumers see a breakdown of the so-called global adjustment charge, which accounts for up to 70 per cent of electricity rates.

The Ontario Energy Board rejected a request from the auditor general to have a separate line item on bills for the global adjustment, a charge levied to cover the gap between the guaranteed prices the Liberal government promised electricity generators in long-term contracts and actual market rates.

Auditor general Bonnie Lysyk estimated the global adjustment cost $50 billion between 2006 and 2015, and recommended bills be changed to separately disclose both the electricity market price and the global adjustment.

Energy Minister Glenn Thibeault had said the Liberals would not overrule the arm's-length Energy Board, but Wynne said Monday that the government should reconsider its position.

"I think being as transparent on bills as possible is a really good objective, but my challenge is greater than that," she said in a year-end interview with The Canadian Press. "It's not just about breaking out the number on the bill, it's actually figuring out how to reduce that number."

http://www.kitchenerpost.ca/news-story/7028163-hydro-bills-may-detail-global-adjustment-fee/