Standard pick-pocket technique. Bump you on the shoulder to draw your attention away from the hand removing your wallet from your pants.
hydro rates a prob... who knew?
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Standard pick-pocket technique. Bump you on the shoulder to draw your attention away from the hand removing your wallet from your pants.
We'll have to wait for the reaction from voters. Will they be taken in by an "8% reduction" on their hydro bills? What will the GTA say about this?
There were two increases in 2016. January and May. January's increase was 10%. May's increase was 2.5%. The total increase for this year approx. 13%. Wynne's government wants to "reduce" bills by 8%. That tells me the Ontario govt increased rates by 5% for this year alone.
This is relief for rising rates?
Jan. increase - Delivery Rates are Increasing
May increase - Hydro rates going up this summer, Ontario Energy Board says - Toronto - CBC News
There were two increases in 2016. January and May. January's increase was 10%. May's increase was 2.5%. The total increase for this year approx. 13%. Wynne's government wants to "reduce" bills by 8%. That tells me the Ontario govt increased rates by 5% for this year alone.
This is relief for rising rates?
Jan. increase - Delivery Rates are Increasing
May increase - Hydro rates going up this summer, Ontario Energy Board says - Toronto - CBC News
What is the Global Adjustment fee? The mysterious cost Ontario hydro customers must pay | Globalnews.ca
What the author overlooks are those "independent energy providers" are largely Ontario Power Generation - once a component of the old Ontario Hydro ... and those "delivery fees" Hydro One - another former Ontario Hydro component - charges to feed itself
What the author overlooks are those "independent energy providers" are largely Ontario Power Generation - once a component of the old Ontario Hydro ... and those "delivery fees" Hydro One - another former Ontario Hydro component - charges to feed itself
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The empty words of Kathleen Wynne. Speak the words. Someone will believe.
Bob and weave,
Bob and weave,
What Kathleen really means is
Rob and deceive
https://www.tbnewswatch.com/local-news/hydro-reducations-highlight-of-throne-speech-mauro-411841
Bob and weave,
Bob and weave,
What Kathleen really means is
Rob and deceive
https://www.tbnewswatch.com/local-news/hydro-reducations-highlight-of-throne-speech-mauro-411841
Oshawa mayor says $3,600 worth of power used should not result in $151,000 streetlight bill
Oshawa spent more than $150,000 to keep the street lights on in June of 2015. Of that, only about $3,600 was for power, the rest was delivery, regulatory and debt retirement charges, HST, and a whopping $62,325.42 for “Global Adjustment.”
Oshawa Mayor John Henry is railing against the charge, which the Independent Electricity Systems Operator (IESO) says was implemented in 2005 to cover “the cost for providing both adequate generating capacity and conservation programs for Ontario.”
Henry says no matter what the city does to conserve, they can’t win.
“The challenge for us is the same challenge that you have at home,” says Henry. “No matter what we do, we are not able to lower our energy costs. In fact, they are increasing.”
The streetlights are just one example, which Henry says to multiply by 12 to get a picture of what the impact over the course of a year would be.
“But it’s compounded,” says Henry. “Your hydro bill goes up at home, so you’re paying more. And then the hydro bill goes up at the City of Oshawa, so you’re paying more to support that bill in taxes. And then the hydro bill here at the region goes up because we pump drinking water and sewer into our treatment plants; that goes up to $13.5-million and of course the resident is the one that pays the bills.”
Henry says he is not against “greening” and is in fact all for conservation, but he says he opposes the way it’s paid. He’s been speaking with other municipalities and provincial representatives and urging them to support his suggestion. He’s asking that the fees be removed, in lieu of giving municipalities money back in turn, and allow the businesses and consumers to keep their cash and use it as they see fit. He says the overall economy will benefit by taking it off the back of the ratepayer.
“When you don’t have that $100 a month, what are you doing?” asks Henry. “You’re not spending it. And when we’re not spending it, we’re not creating jobs. And when we’re not creating jobs or product, nobody is buying. So you’re actually destroying the economy by creating a charge that is taking the money out of the economy to do something that should have paid for something another way to begin with.”
Oshawa mayor says $3,600 worth of power used should not result in $151,000 streetlight bill | Durham Radio News
Oshawa spent more than $150,000 to keep the street lights on in June of 2015. Of that, only about $3,600 was for power, the rest was delivery, regulatory and debt retirement charges, HST, and a whopping $62,325.42 for “Global Adjustment.”
Oshawa Mayor John Henry is railing against the charge, which the Independent Electricity Systems Operator (IESO) says was implemented in 2005 to cover “the cost for providing both adequate generating capacity and conservation programs for Ontario.”
Henry says no matter what the city does to conserve, they can’t win.
“The challenge for us is the same challenge that you have at home,” says Henry. “No matter what we do, we are not able to lower our energy costs. In fact, they are increasing.”
The streetlights are just one example, which Henry says to multiply by 12 to get a picture of what the impact over the course of a year would be.
“But it’s compounded,” says Henry. “Your hydro bill goes up at home, so you’re paying more. And then the hydro bill goes up at the City of Oshawa, so you’re paying more to support that bill in taxes. And then the hydro bill here at the region goes up because we pump drinking water and sewer into our treatment plants; that goes up to $13.5-million and of course the resident is the one that pays the bills.”
Henry says he is not against “greening” and is in fact all for conservation, but he says he opposes the way it’s paid. He’s been speaking with other municipalities and provincial representatives and urging them to support his suggestion. He’s asking that the fees be removed, in lieu of giving municipalities money back in turn, and allow the businesses and consumers to keep their cash and use it as they see fit. He says the overall economy will benefit by taking it off the back of the ratepayer.
“When you don’t have that $100 a month, what are you doing?” asks Henry. “You’re not spending it. And when we’re not spending it, we’re not creating jobs. And when we’re not creating jobs or product, nobody is buying. So you’re actually destroying the economy by creating a charge that is taking the money out of the economy to do something that should have paid for something another way to begin with.”
Oshawa mayor says $3,600 worth of power used should not result in $151,000 streetlight bill | Durham Radio News
Electricity rates were a huge problem 4 years ago and she just started to clue in now? What a political midget. That makes Hudak a political retard.
I live about 4km from adam beck and my delivery charge is 29.89, simple math sez that's about $7.50 per km to get juice to my electrical panel, voltage drop is a fact but as you assert it was always part of the pricing package. Now we have to pony up sky high wind/solar premiums and a delivery charge sounds more palatable then investor incentive charge, lib larceny is just so obvious. Voltage drop is real however leveraging small line losses to cash cow status is simply brazen goughing of the folks they supposedly serve. She hasta sell hydro to not only raise some cash to try and balance the books but also get her whiny subjects off her back.
Unfortunately, he gave to whole election away in five minutes with his "Million Job Plan" while the rest of us winced.
That guy had not one clue of what he was doing. I think a two by two is smarter then Hudak.
I think he knew exactly what he was doing.... What better way to do it than to let someone else do it ... then step in later with an "I told you so", a painted-on-pout and a trunkful of shame with election gimmicks....
While walking the dog today I noticed that the street lights in town here are connected directly to the main hydro lines.....no meter in sight..
How the heck do they calculate the amount of electricity used to bill the town?
The number of KWH per lamp times the number of lamps times the number of hours of operation?
How the heck do they calculate the amount of electricity used to bill the town?
The number of KWH per lamp times the number of lamps times the number of hours of operation?
Global Adjustment Fee: The screwing Ontarians get because the province is paying wind power producers about 6 times the market rate for hydro while exporting hydro at the market rate. Basically, Ontarians are subsidizing export customers who use Ontario hydro.
So yeah, rape would be an appropriate term.
Aside from the repeated, incessant warnings — there was no warning.
Ontario's energy costs have spiralled out of control. Consumers are struggling to pay their hydro bills and still have enough money left to buy a ticket to one of the premier's cash-for-access fundraisers.
Who — with the exception of everyone — could have foreseen that wasting billions of dollars on cancelled gas plants, paying way above market value for green energy contracts, producing too much energy and selling it to other jurisdictions at a loss, and investing in smart meters that didn't actually do what they were supposed to do would translate into skyrocketing electricity bills for everyday Ontarians?
Why didn't someone — besides the auditor general, both opposition parties and various economic experts — say something?
Now Ontario finds itself in a mess of its own making, locked in unsustainable contracts and a looming cap-and-trade scheme that will make hydro bills even more expensive, all while some Ontario families have "had to choose between paying the electricity bill and buying food or paying rent," according to Premier Kathleen Wynne. Thanks, guys.
"Our government made a mistake. It was my mistake. And I'm going to do my best to fix it," Wynne admitted in a rare moment of contrition during her address to her party's annual general meeting this past weekend.
"In the weeks and the months ahead, we are going to find more ways to lower rates and reduce the burden on consumers," she added.
Earlier measures to reduce that burden have included a pledge to eliminate the provincial portion of the HST on consumers' hydro bills — a move that will save Ontarians roughly $130 a year — which will begin around the time that cap-and-trade measures are introduced — a move that will cost Ontarians roughly $160 a year.
The government didn't seem to realize its mistake until it finally took a look at the numbers — not in the province's energy file, of course, but in a Mainstreet/Postmedia poll released earlier this month on the premier's approval ratings. According to the poll, 58 per cent of Ontarians think the premier should resign, with a dismal approval rating of 15 per cent.
Those figures proved far more persuasive in soliciting Wynne's penitence than did the extra $37 billion Ontario consumers paid in electricity costs between 2006 and 2014, according to a 2015 auditor general's report.
Just one week ago in the government's fall fiscal update, the Liberals announced triumphantly, "Our plan is working."
But now, Wynne has recognized her "oopsies" and is asking for Ontarians' patience and trust while she endeavours to fix the problem
The government hasn't specified which steps it will take to relieve consumers' hydro burdens, but it will likely include another tax break to be cancelled out by greater carbon pricing fees, or a new program offering discounts to low-income families (which would probably end up costing as much to administer as it would to offer a discount to everyone) and/or a plan to sell off the rest of Hydro One, thus providing a temporary influx of cash until the Liberals can decide whether to next burn the couch or the dining room table
In any case, we probably shouldn't blame this one on the Liberals. Indeed, besides the dozens of reports, years of increasing consumer prices, dire financial warnings and protests over unaffordable hydro bills — there was no way they could have seen this coming. And just as long as Ontarians can forget the, oh, last decade or so of Liberal financial boondoggles, they absolutely should trust Kathleen Wynne to be the one to fix it.
Aside from the incessant warnings, Ontario's hydro crisis clearly came out of nowhere: Robyn Urback - CBC News | Opinion
Ontario's energy costs have spiralled out of control. Consumers are struggling to pay their hydro bills and still have enough money left to buy a ticket to one of the premier's cash-for-access fundraisers.
Who — with the exception of everyone — could have foreseen that wasting billions of dollars on cancelled gas plants, paying way above market value for green energy contracts, producing too much energy and selling it to other jurisdictions at a loss, and investing in smart meters that didn't actually do what they were supposed to do would translate into skyrocketing electricity bills for everyday Ontarians?
Why didn't someone — besides the auditor general, both opposition parties and various economic experts — say something?
Now Ontario finds itself in a mess of its own making, locked in unsustainable contracts and a looming cap-and-trade scheme that will make hydro bills even more expensive, all while some Ontario families have "had to choose between paying the electricity bill and buying food or paying rent," according to Premier Kathleen Wynne. Thanks, guys.
"Our government made a mistake. It was my mistake. And I'm going to do my best to fix it," Wynne admitted in a rare moment of contrition during her address to her party's annual general meeting this past weekend.
"In the weeks and the months ahead, we are going to find more ways to lower rates and reduce the burden on consumers," she added.
Earlier measures to reduce that burden have included a pledge to eliminate the provincial portion of the HST on consumers' hydro bills — a move that will save Ontarians roughly $130 a year — which will begin around the time that cap-and-trade measures are introduced — a move that will cost Ontarians roughly $160 a year.
The government didn't seem to realize its mistake until it finally took a look at the numbers — not in the province's energy file, of course, but in a Mainstreet/Postmedia poll released earlier this month on the premier's approval ratings. According to the poll, 58 per cent of Ontarians think the premier should resign, with a dismal approval rating of 15 per cent.
Those figures proved far more persuasive in soliciting Wynne's penitence than did the extra $37 billion Ontario consumers paid in electricity costs between 2006 and 2014, according to a 2015 auditor general's report.
Just one week ago in the government's fall fiscal update, the Liberals announced triumphantly, "Our plan is working."
But now, Wynne has recognized her "oopsies" and is asking for Ontarians' patience and trust while she endeavours to fix the problem
The government hasn't specified which steps it will take to relieve consumers' hydro burdens, but it will likely include another tax break to be cancelled out by greater carbon pricing fees, or a new program offering discounts to low-income families (which would probably end up costing as much to administer as it would to offer a discount to everyone) and/or a plan to sell off the rest of Hydro One, thus providing a temporary influx of cash until the Liberals can decide whether to next burn the couch or the dining room table
In any case, we probably shouldn't blame this one on the Liberals. Indeed, besides the dozens of reports, years of increasing consumer prices, dire financial warnings and protests over unaffordable hydro bills — there was no way they could have seen this coming. And just as long as Ontarians can forget the, oh, last decade or so of Liberal financial boondoggles, they absolutely should trust Kathleen Wynne to be the one to fix it.
Aside from the incessant warnings, Ontario's hydro crisis clearly came out of nowhere: Robyn Urback - CBC News | Opinion