Banish These Drug Dealers (& such) To Where?

Machjo

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With or without show trials?

What a low standard you have! I would say a proper trial myself.

But while respecting the presumption of innocence, I would make even just possessing a drug a criminal offence with a hefty fine. Possession is easier to prove than trafficking. But if trafficking is proved beyond a reasonable doubt, then execution or at least life of hard labour.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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What a low standard you have! I would say a proper trial myself.

But while respecting the presumption of innocence, I would make even just possessing a drug a criminal offence with a hefty fine. Possession is easier to prove than trafficking. But if trafficking is proved beyond a reasonable doubt, then execution or at least life of hard labour.
Yep, we did that. Led to the highest incarceration rate in the world.

What percentage of Canadians in prison is your goal? 10? 20?
 

Machjo

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Yep, we did that. Led to the highest incarceration rate in the world.

What percentage of Canadians in prison is your goal? 10? 20?

A fine will not put possessors in jail. I'm thinking polroved traffickers.

Furthermore, I am open to allowing two physicians to prescribe narcotics to addicts, maybe even under supervision in designated locations.

I might even be open to allowing shops to sell recreational heroin and such under strict rules, especially with regard to advertising. In other words, the client has to look for it to find it.

But outside such limits, yes, we should crack down hard on traffickers.
 

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Legalize it all. Then you have control over quality, price and customer base. Come down hard on the outside dealers. When it's legal, their incentive is mostly gone anyhow. Get tax revenues instead of spending fortunes hunting down and sentencing some buttwad who'll be out in a couple of months doing it closer to ground. Addiction is a health issue
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Legalize it all. Then you have control over quality, price and customer base. Come down hard on the outside dealers. When it's legal, their incentive is mostly gone anyhow. Get tax revenues instead of spending fortunes hunting down and sentencing some buttwad who'll be out in a couple of months doing it closer to ground. Addiction is a health issue
Where's the fun in that? Way better to execute and imprison people.
 

Machjo

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Legalize it all. Then you have control over quality, price and customer base. Come down hard on the outside dealers. When it's legal, their incentive is mostly gone anyhow. Get tax revenues instead of spending fortunes hunting down and sentencing some buttwad who'll be out in a couple of months doing it closer to ground. Addiction is a health issue

But tighten advertising laws. Even present tobacco advertising is too lenient. The shop that sells it should not even be allowed to advertise itself never mind its product, not even an open or open hours sign in the window. Limit advertising to online only, make such websites opt-in by default, and their only contact information is their email address. You want to know where they are, you contact your IP to opt in, then email the business to receive an automatic reply with the street address and open hours.

Also, no using the drug in public. The shop could provide a ventilated enclosed area where you can smoke it there. Same law for tobacco, alcohol, and lottery tickets. You should not be allowed to allow it to be seen in public. You buy heroin to take home to use, fine, but you keep it out of everyone's sight until to get home and take it there. Otherwise, you take it at the shop, but not on the road. Otherwise you're fined.

Sure, legalize, but the rules should be strict as hell.
 

Machjo

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Weren't you calling for executions a couple of hours ago?

For those who traffic outside of the law.

What I'm thinking is legalize but make the advertising rules so strict that even a shop that sells it would not be allowed to even advertise itself except online, such websies would be opt-in by default, and the online ad could give no contact information other than an email. You want to know where to buy? Contact your IP to opt in, then find an ad, then email it to get an automatic reply with the street address and shop hours.

That way, those who want it will find it, but the shop cannot promote one bit.If you're caught promoting it, then the punishment ought to be stiff as hell.
 

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It depends on the type of Drug, but if were talking about weed, shouldn't this be legal by now, my God man!; one big factor of JT's winning the election was his promise to legalize the stuff.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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For those who traffic outside of the law.

What I'm thinking is legalize but make the advertising rules so strict that even a shop that sells it would not be allowed to even advertise itself except online, such websies would be opt-in by default, and the online ad could give no contact information other than an email. You want to know where to buy? Contact your IP to opt in, then find an ad, then email it to get an automatic reply with the street address and shop hours.

That way, those who want it will find it, but the shop cannot promote one bit.If you're caught promoting it, then the punishment ought to be stiff as hell.
That actually makes sense. You should probably re-think it.

My similar notion is similar to what we call "state stores" in those states where hard liquor can only be sold by the state.

Basically, if you want a drug (besides pot, which should be legal), you go into a state-owned store, where you have to walk past racks of literature offering help to get to a counter where you can buy, for a low price, one or two doses of your favorite toxin. If you buy two, you have to use one on the premises, and you can take one with you. Use the profits to fund drug treatment programs. Have a nurse on the premises. Locate the stores in poor neighborhoods with public transit access.

Couple that with draconian penalties for unlicensed dealing, like ten years for the first offense and life without parole (death in the U.S.) for the second.
 

Machjo

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That actually makes sense. You should probably re-think it.

My similar notion is similar to what we call "state stores" in those states where hard liquor can only be sold by the state.

Basically, if you want a drug (besides pot, which should be legal), you go into a state-owned store, where you have to walk past racks of literature offering help to get to a counter where you can buy, for a low price, one or two doses of your favorite toxin. If you buy two, you have to use one on the premises, and you can take one with you. Use the profits to fund drug treatment programs. Have a nurse on the premises. Locate the stores in poor neighborhoods with public transit access.

Couple that with draconian penalties for unlicensed dealing, like ten years for the first offense and life without parole (death in the U.S.) for the second.

Good idea.

Of course a person can be a user and a dealer at the same time. I presume your idea for requiring a person to take a shot on premises is to ensure he's not just a dealer.

But again. If I walk by that shop, unless someone tells me what they sell, I should have no idea. The only information I should see from outside is the street address. Aside from that, I see no shop name, no Open or open hours sign, nada.

If I want to know what that mysterious shop is, I'm free to enter and enquire.

If I own such a shop, I can put up an ad online, advertise my ship's email address as the only contact info in the ad, but I could ore-origram my business email account to send an auto reply with the street address and open hours, perhaps along with health warnings and web addresses for various 12-step groups, and other educational advertising.

In short, it's an out-of-sight&out-of-mind policy. If I'm not looking for it, then I should not see it. If I see it without looking for it, then you committed a criminal offence but with varying penalties. For example, if I just see you carelessly smoking, shooting, drinking, or even just carrying it in public, you pay a fine. Otherwise, if you offer it to me, then hard labour for you.

I would even extend this to tobacco. No more smoking it in public. You smoke it at home or at the shop in a ventilated room that it provides, and all legal shops must be open 24/7/365.

Since alcohol is so entrenched in the culture, maybe allow a restaurant to sell it if it is willing to abide by the strict advertising rules.

Otherwise, a restaurant would reserve the right to tolerate patrons bringing and drinking their own alcohol, maybe even serving it at the table as long as there is no indication if pressure to take it, and people would be allowed to bring their own alcohol to restaurants that tolerate it.

Oh, we shouldn't punish for prescription. Prescription heroin, alcohol, tobacco etc. could be taken in public, but not recreational. Recreational should be highly taxed, prescription not. But prescription, the physician aims to wean you off of it and prescribes accordingly.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Good idea.

Of course a person can be a user and a dealer at the same time. I presume your idea for requiring a person to take a shot on premises is to ensure he's not just a dealer.

But again. If I walk by that shop, unless someone tells me what they sell, I should have no idea. The only information I should see from outside is the street address. Aside from that, I see no shop name, no Open or open hours sign, nada.
That's a bit much, but state stores generally don't advertise.