Ridiculous Sentencing

[Bar Sinister]

Ridiculous sentencing is sticking people in prison for non-violent crimes for the type of extended sentences common in the USA, a policy that has resulted in the USA having the largest prison population in the world.

Think yourself lucky. Here in England, if you sexually abuse children for 5 decades, you get an OBE, fame fortune and nonorary degress. If you are a terrorist and preach hate against the citizens that you have chosen to live among, you get welfare benefits, free health care, subsidised housing and police protection. If you head up the BBC and are incompetant, work for the BBC for just 54 days, and know NOTHING about programmes naming (wrongly) paedophile MPs, and (wrongly) covering up prominent celebraties carrying out "kiddie fiddling" abuse and rape of minors, you et to resign with a 1/2 million pound pay off. GREAT Britain. - yeah right.

Are you trying to say that Brits get OBE's for sexual abuse? Or was it the case that someone who got an OBE was later found to be guilty of sexual abuse? There is quite a difference.

 

[Remington1]

The N. A. Judicial systems need a serious overall, didn't a old pedophile in Montana just get 60-days in jail for repeatedly raping his 12 year old daughter? So, I figure 30 days for rape and 30 days for incest? This judge, a clear enabler of assaults has been on the bench for 22 years! I hope that this so call judge was not blessed with daughters, because obviously he feels raping and incest are acceptable.

 

[davesmom]

Ridiculous sentencing is sticking people in prison for non-violent crimes for the type of extended sentences common in the USA, a policy that has resulted in the USA having the largest prison population in the world.

I would agree that there ought to be better sentencing which differentiates between violent and non-violent crimes. As it is, it seems that non-violent criminals are getting harsher treatment than the violent ones.
There is probably a better chance for rehabilitation among non-violent criminals; they can be trained for jobs that will not make it necessary to break the law and always have to dodge justice.
Violent criminals, many of whom are a serious threat to society are getting light sentencing and in too many cases, reoffending. These are the ones, imo, that should probably be isolated from society for life. They are not likely to be rehabilitable.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Martin Joseph Blake admitting in court to raping his own child. But despite his horrendous crime, he’s getting off with probation.

Blake, 40, of Glasgow, Montana, was initially charged with three felony counts of incest for raping his 12-year-old daughter on multiple occasions. He pleaded guilty to one felony incest charge in order to have the other two felonies dismissed.

On the other hand, California just gave a man who repeatedly raped his daughter a more appropriate sentence: 1,503 years.

Good news for him is he'll be eligible for parole in only 501.

 

[JLM]

On the other hand, California just gave a man who repeatedly raped his daughter a more appropriate sentence: 1,503 years.

Good news for him is he'll be eligible for parole in only 501.

Reminds me of the joke where the convicted guy's lawyer is visiting him in jail right after sentencing. "Hey you should cheer up, I realize the judge gave you three consecutive life sentences, but with any luck at all I'll have you out of here in one".

 

[Ron in Regina]

In Canada, prison isn't there to protect the public, but to rehabilitate
the offender, and has been that way since the early '70's...and that
change took place under Justin's Father's rule.

Factor the "Gladue" nonsense on top of that...& what we have should
not be a surprise to anyone.

In 1971 Solicitor General Jean-Pierre Goyer, announced in the House
of Commons, that the Trudeau Liberal Government had decided to
emphasis the rehabilitation of criminals, rather than the protection
of society in the administration of the criminal justice system; and
subsequently the Liberal Party while in power totally transformed
sentencing in the criminal justice system.

 

[JLM]

In Canada, prison isn't there to protect the public, but to rehabilitate
the offender, and has been that way since the early '70's...and that
change took place under Justin's Father's rule.

Factor the "Gladue" nonsense on top of that...& what we have should
not be a surprise to anyone.

That is true but I think rehabilitation (if it can be done) is very important. It's a gain for everyone if you can convert a parasite into a contributor.

 

[Ron in Regina]

That is true but I think rehabilitation (if it can be done) is very important. It's a gain for everyone if you can convert a parasite into a contributor.

What if we convert a parasite into still being a parasite, but being back
on the streets repeatedly long before they should be, if ever?

What if someone is convicted of their 76th (or was it 74th?) B&E conviction,
and it happens while they're on probation, and they're just given more
probation (& no further jail time) due to the factors above? Is that Justice?

 

[JLM]

What if we convert a parasite into still being a parasite, but being back
on the streets repeatedly long before they should be, if ever?

What if someone is convicted of their 76th (or was it 74th?) B&E conviction,
and it happens while they're on probation, and they're just given more
probation (& no further jail time) due to the factors above? Is that Justice?

There's a few there is just no hope for, I am afraid. I kind of believe in the "three strike system"- I'm not sure it should be indefinitely but at least long enough to get it through their heads things are getting serious..........................maybe something in the order of 5-8 years for their third B & E or assault.

 

[Ron in Regina]

What if the B&E's are non-violent, and 'just' property crimes?
5-8 years? But what if the perpetrator was spanked (or not
spanked) as a child? What about the Gladeau factor and
rehabilitating the offender with the contents of your garage &
my TV? What if they have an addiction to glue or porn or
Slurpies and need to feed their habit with the sale of your
neighbours BBQ & Lawnmower?

 

[Ludlow]

Put the slugs under the fowkin jail.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Put the slugs under the fowkin jail.

For their rehabilitation?

 

[Ludlow]

For their rehabilitation?

You see uhhh, it is much less costly, to eliminate problems than to solve them. Send em on down the line.

 

[Ron in Regina]

You see uhhh, it is much less costly, to eliminate problems than to solve them. Send em on down the line.

You mean like, Refugee's are potentially sent down the line? To Canada & elsewhere?
That would be much more cost effective for the exporting Government.

 

[JLM]

What if the B&E's are non-violent, and 'just' property crimes?
5-8 years? But what if the perpetrator was spanked (or not
spanked) as a child? What about the Gladeau factor and
rehabilitating the offender with the contents of your garage &
my TV? What if they have an addiction to glue or porn or
Slurpies and need to feed their habit with the sale of your
neighbours BBQ & Lawnmower?

I've always recognized there are "exceptions to every rule", but I wonder after TWO convictions, how many exceptions are left. Considerations have to be made for individual circumstances of course.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I've always recognized there are "exceptions to every rule", but I wonder after TWO convictions, how many exceptions are left. Considerations have to be made for individual circumstances of course.

...What if someone is convicted of their 76th (or was it 74th?) B&E conviction,
and it happens while they're on probation, and they're just given more
probation (& no further jail time) due to the factors above? Is that Justice?

The above numbers I didn't pull out of my hat. They're real, and so over the
top that I remember them to this day. I listened to that news story on the
radio about 20yrs ago. On that note...

After TWO convictions, how many exceptions are left? For this dude, at that
point, between 74 & 76, & unless he found his Lord & Savior while still on
probation at that point, I'm assuming that number increased over the last
couple of decades.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I think this case is very effective for rehabilitation. Heck, I bet a hundred bucks he won't ever commit another crime after he gets out in 3519.

 

[davesmom]

That is true but I think rehabilitation (if it can be done) is very important. It's a gain for everyone if you can convert a parasite into a contributor.

The best rehabilitations happened in the prison farms that used to be until our 'liberal' governments closed them down.
Those prisons were self-supporting; they taught inmates trades, everything from farming to carpentry, barbering, mechanics and much more. The prisoners were busy, productive and learned to take pride in their accomplishments.


But then the governments shut them down. Couldn't expect the poor prisoners to actually work and learn, could they? Now prisoners have nothing to do but share ideas on how to commit their crimes more effectively and furtively.


The cat o' nine was also quite effective. One application of that was more than enough to 'rehabilitate' a good many criminals! But cruel and unusual punishment is okay for victims, it seems, but not okay for those who victimize.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The cat o' nine was also quite effective. One application of that was more than enough to 'rehabilitate' a good many criminals! But cruel and unusual punishment is okay for victims, it seems, but not okay for those who victimize.

Well, except for the ones who died under the lash. Read "The Fatal Shore" for an account of the salutary benefits of the lash.

It is, however, a terrific terrorism tactic. Ask any Southerner. Or any torturer. Which is apparently what you want from the Canadian government.

Violating someone's physical integrity is the ultimate violation. That's why it's a crime in every possible form. And it doesn't cure them. It makes 'em mean.

 

[DaSleeper]

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