Justin Trudeau says abortion rights trump MPs' freedom to vote their conscience

Machjo

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wow, So, in reality you are a "pro choice" supporter doing everything you can to undermine the "pro-life" side. Nice to see you have finally come out.


No. I am pro-life. And though a politician's stance on abortion isn't my only determining factor, it does play a role in voting for him.

However, until there is enough political momentum to ban abortion, what do you propose? Wine whine whine?

Or do we propose alternative ideas that might be more politically pallatable to at least improve the situation in the meantime?
 

gerryh

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Offering religious education courses in school to make people think more about the question of when human life starts could help too to make them think more about such moral questions.



So, without religious instruction people can not make "moral" judgements? Religion is needed as a "moral compass"?



What the fu ck does religion have to do with morality and what the fu ck does religion have to do with when life starts?

Just f**k off Gerry go jump in the lake!


nothing to contribute? Go back to watching kiddie porn.
 

Machjo

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So, without religious instruction people can not make "moral" judgements? Religion is needed as a "moral compass"?



What the fu ck does religion have to do with morality and what the fu ck does religion have to do with when life starts?




nothing to contribute? Go back to watching kiddie porn.

You shouldn't assume that we watch what you watch.
 

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No. I am pro-life. And though a politician's stance on abortion isn't my only determining factor, it does play a role in voting for him.

However, until there is enough political momentum to ban abortion, what do you propose? Wine whine whine?

Or do we propose alternative ideas that might be more politically pallatable to at least improve the situation in the meantime?

You mean enough political momentum to override women's rights.
 

gerryh

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You mean enough political momentum to override women's rights.


No, enough political momentum to support human rights and not allow self centered whining bitches the right to override those human rights and murder a child.
 

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Machjo, NO.... Firstly most women who have abortions do not have them because of rape. A man being raped umpteen times still cannot be impregnated. So one does not follow the other.

If you feel that the need for public education on women assaulting males, then by all means petition the lawmakers and politicians to get it done.

BUT.....understand that unwanted pregnancies are a fact of life. An unwanted child will not be the problem for a man. It it is not humane to allow a pregnancy to come to term, if a family cannot support another mouth to feed, or to give life to a fetus that will know nothing but pain or suffering for a very short life due to a fatal and/or genetic disease. Then, of course there are failures of birth control.

Trying to link abortions to women who rape doesn't cut it.
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No, enough political momentum to support human rights and not allow self centered whining bitches the right to override those human rights and murder a child.
Well, now, where to start with such ignorant statements.....

First off, the impregnated human egg does not always developed into a copy of the parents.....ie hydidaform moles. Two, Life does not exist or is not considered viable until it is birthed. 3. Under the law, a human must be alive before it has rights. 4., it cannot live if born too prematurely; Spontaneous or induced early, abortions, produce nothing that would survive no matter what measure were taken.

Now, it seems to me that the whining individuals you refer as bitches in your post, are of the mostly whining male gender/ or male type, in this particular thread anyway.

By the way, what is it about turning as many women into slaves as possible, that revs your motor??
 
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gerryh

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Well, now, where to start with such ignorant statements.....

First off, the impregnated human egg does not always developed into a copy of the parents.....ie hydidaform moles. Two, Life does not exist or is not considered viable until it is birthed. 3. Under the law, a human must be alive before it has rights. 4., it cannot live if born too prematurely; Spontaneous or induced early, abortions, produce nothing that would survive no matter what measure were taken.

Now, it seems to me that the whining individuals you refer as bitches in your post, are of the mostly whining male gender/ or male type, in this particular thread anyway.

By the way, what is it about turning as many women into slaves as possible, that revs your motor??


1,200 too many: A look at born-alive abortion statistics | Live Action News

I know, I know, It's a lie and it never happens
 

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SO.....How many successful abortions have there been?? These born alive stats, do not give the stats on how many successful abortions were done nor do they give the reasons why the abortion was done so late as to produce something that moved on it's own. Was it because, a disease was found that guaranteed a miserably longer life where a baby would suffer terribly?? Would it have spent months in an incubator only to die alone and unloved?? Was the mothers life in danger. Very poor statistical gathering in my opinion.

You know many operations fail. That is where the term "The operation was a success but the patient died" developed. AND not from abortions but ordinary surgical procedures. However, as far as I am aware of no class of operations have been banned because of failure to achieve success in every case. I bet none of those seemingly alive after an abortion went on to live satisfying and full lives . Tubal ligations and vasectomies are still being done, in spite of a small number of failures.
 

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by successful, I assume you mean where they have successfully killed the child as opposed to what they did in these 1200 plus instances.
 

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by successful, I assume you mean where they have successfully killed the child as opposed to what they did in these 1200 plus instances.

NO....I mean the soughing away of an impregnated egg, as many female bodies do on their own. Do not call such a thing a child. For Pete's sake that is like calling all uterine growth, including that very ugly Hydidaform mole a child. You loose cells everyday.

However, when one does not wish to keep an ugly facial growth, or it begins to affect the quality of life, we are living in an age where something can be done about it What if you had one and I decided it was morally right for you to keep it and attempted to change the law regarding removal of said growth, on moral grounds. i.e.. Since God felt it right to allow one to grow on your face, it was morally wrong for you to attempt to remove it.

Think of all the morally terrible things all religions have used to enslave people, the prejudices against races, colors, creeds, and of course prejudices of the sexual kind that are still so prevalent today.
 

gerryh

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NO....I mean the soughing away of an impregnated egg, as many female bodies do on their own. Do not call such a thing a child. For Pete's sake that is like calling all uterine growth, including that very ugly Hydidaform mole a child. You loose cells everyday. However, when one does not wish to keep an ugly facial growth, or it begins to affect the quality of life, we are living in an age where something can be done about it What if you had one and I decided it was morally right for you to keep it and attempted to change the law regarding removal of said growth, on moral grounds. i.e.. Since God felt it right to allow one to grow on your face, it was morally wrong for you to attempt to remove it.



again, the vast majority of abortions performed are not at the fertilized egg stage. They are not just a "collection of cells".
 

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He'll do that when he's angry at the fish. I'll feel for those fish when the day comes when they must face his wrath.


Gerry's wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's a f**king marshmallow! :) :) :)

Regarding abortions, what more is there to discuss on this already over worn subject? It's high polarized and neither side will EVER agree with the other. I'M PROLIFE. I don't believe in unnecessary killing. If people want to pretend what they are killing isn't human that's their prerogative, but it don't make them smart! :)
 

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Gerry's wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's a f**king marshmallow! :) :) :)

Regarding abortions, what more is there to discuss on this already over worn subject? It's high polarized and neither side will EVER agree with the other. I'M PROLIFE. I don't believe in unnecessary killing. If people want to pretend what they are killing isn't human that's their prerogative, but it don't make them smart! :)


So, we should just stop. Since there is no law against a woman killing her unwanted child, for any reason,and the subject is highly polarized, we should just ignore it.

Is that your idea of being pro life? Tacit approval of killing unborn children?

Yes they are until they actually take their first breath. That is the law, biblical and of the land.


I really don't care what the "law" is or what some say "biblical" is. I'm more concerned with the scientific facts, and if we stick with the fact.....science concurs that life begins at conception.
 

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Rape is used by the murder supporters as a reason for abortion. At 1% or less, it ius a distraction from the big picture. It is used as a distraction. Something you support them doing.
I'm thinking the 1% are thinking it is such a small part that fixing it first would leave more time for the big picture to be appreciated. There are also unreported events that would alter that total to some unknown degree but it would only raise that number.

Quit yer whining. Clearly you're not capable of coming up with a decent argument to change anybody's mind
I always though the goal was to show that your version of things was closer to being factual rather than it being something that 'saved' anybody from anything. Perhaps me not giving a f*ck about other people alters that part.