Justin Trudeau says abortion rights trump MPs' freedom to vote their conscience

bluebyrd35

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That's good news. It reduces the probability of an abortion taking place.
Yup, actually it could in end the need for all abortions.....of course it will probably end the human race,,,,,but what the heck, small price to pay eh???

We already agree on abortion, so why not bump the age up to fifteen? It would seem we all agree that it's not truly human until it can support itself. In some societies it would be even later than fifteen, but I'm feeling compassionate towards the poor kids.
You missed the definition of "viable" I could repeat it for you if you like.
 

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Yup, actually it could in end the need for all abortions.....of course it will probably end the human race,,,,,but what the heck, small price to pay eh???


What's the demographic difference between no conception and abortion? They both lead to no birth anyway. Wouldn't you say the first option is a little more efficient?

Nah, just the pink part. All us various shades of brownies are still breeding like rats.

The pinkies are breeding too, just not always with other pinkies.

Yup, actually it could in end the need for all abortions.....of course it will probably end the human race,,,,,but what the heck, small price to pay eh???


You missed the definition of "viable" I could repeat it for you if you like.

You mean the part about breathing? How arbitrary.

If we use viability as the standard, I prefer self-sufficiency.
 

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I think we've found what's really bothering you.

If you're referring to some kind of racial remorse, that I regret starting a racially-mixed family, I have no such regret whatsover. I feel no need to try to preserve any kind of pure-bred race.

If I'd felt such a need, I would've married my sister.
 
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And who in this thread thinks that, Cliffy?
Good grief, just about everyone who is pro-life. They are so caught up with aborting something that is not as yet a living being, they do not even notice all the young who are already in trouble in our own country. And my word, don't even think about all those refugees from countries where criminal elements have gained control that fled from the violence!! After all most of the young refugees are ISIS or other foreign agents who do not want a better life but to turn every other country into a replica of their own destroyed land.

Sometimes I despair of the level of moral worth of some. I usually give the benefit of doubt first. If that fails as once every so often it does, it is usually more than surmountable and I have no regrets. It is their problem not mine at that point.

it is all about the choice that has the greatest benefits.
 

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I'm pro-life and pro-open borders. They both relate to the sanctity of life and the recognition of us belonging to one human family of world citizens.
 

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I'm pro-life and pro-open borders. They both relate to the sanctity of life and the recognition of us belonging to one human family of world citizens.
How exactly does a not yet born embryo belong to a human family?? It does not breathe, is not able to vote, talk, reason and even if it could, we would not know if it is ensouled. Have you ever thought about all those who were not aborted, may not be so?? After all if a God is all-seeing,all knowing, nothing is hidden from such a being?? Perhaps, the design of God is to allow a soul to experience the final step in the journey the soul and God have agreed on?? And those who attempt to interfere are interfereing between others and their God on their agreed upon voyage??
 
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How exactly does a not yet born embryo belong to a human family?? It does not breathe, is not able to vote, talk, reason and even if it could, we would not know if it is ensouled. Have you ever thought about all those who were not aborted, may not be so?? After all if a God is all-seeing,all knowing, nothing is hidden from such a being?? Perhaps, the design of God is to allow a soul to experience the final step in the journey the soul and God have agreed on?? And those who attempt to interfere are interfereing between others and their God on their agreed upon voyage??



ensouled? Stopping abortion is stopping God's design? Really? Are you that much of a murdering useless cu nt that you are saying that you are doing "God's work" by allowing the murder of innocent children? Wow, just wow..... meet your buddies in arms...ISIS, Taliban,....... all doing God's work also.
 

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HEY.......Where does it say your interpretation of God's design is any better than mine. I see you don't believe humans have souls?? Geez your Bible say they do.

According to the Bible, a female slave, a wife has value. a woman has value. A man has value, a son or daughter has value. Even a man's enemies have value. But in the Bible the unborn do not!!

LIVE with IT and quit calling anyone who does not believe your twisted logic school-boy names. You will not accept what was actually written in your definition of the Word of God!! That is not MY fault.
 

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HEY.......Where does it say your interpretation of God's design is any better than mine. I see you don't believe humans have souls?? Geez your Bible say they do.

According to the Bible, a female slave, a wife has value. a woman has value. A man has value, a son or daughter has value. Even a man's enemies have value. But in the Bible the unborn do not!!

LIVE with IT and quit calling anyone who does not believe your twisted logic school-boy names. You do not accept what was actually written in your definition of the Word of God!!



Why bring the "bible" into this? I have never brought the "bible" into any of my arguments concerning abortion. As a matter of fact, in other discussions, I have stated that the "bible" is and was written by man with "man's" twists and spins on interpretation. So I really don't care what "your" interpretation of a centuries old book that has been rewritten over and over again to serve an agenda. I'm talking about the murder of a human life for no more than the selfish wants of another individual.
 

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She has no fu cking rights...she's not a Canadian citizen. If she doesn't like what Canada, or Canada's agents do, then she can stay the fu ck out of Canada. Simple. No skin off my a$$ if she never comes back. I....don't....care.

Only foetuses and Canadians have rights? What about foreign nationals after birth?
 

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HEY.......Where does it say your interpretation of God's design is any better than mine. I see you don't believe humans have souls?? Geez your Bible say they do.

According to the Bible, a female slave, a wife has value. a woman has value. A man has value, a son or daughter has value. Even a man's enemies have value. But in the Bible the unborn do not!!

LIVE with IT and quit calling anyone who does not believe your twisted logic school-boy names. You will not accept what was actually written in your definition of the Word of God!! That is not MY fault.

Gerry is like the muzzies. Only his interpretation is allowed. That how cults work.

Why bring the "bible" into this? I have never brought the "bible" into any of my arguments concerning abortion. As a matter of fact, in other discussions, I have stated that the "bible" is and was written by man with "man's" twists and spins on interpretation. So I really don't care what "your" interpretation of a centuries old book that has been rewritten over and over again to serve an agenda. I'm talking about the murder of a human life for no more than the selfish wants of another individual.

A fetus is not a human being so your argument is nothing.
 

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Why bring the "bible" into this? I have never brought the "bible" into any of my arguments concerning abortion. As a matter of fact, in other discussions, I have stated that the "bible" is and was written by man with "man's" twists and spins on interpretation. So I really don't care what "your" interpretation of a centuries old book that has been rewritten over and over again to serve an agenda. I'm talking about the murder of a human life for no more than the selfish wants of another individual.
So you are not a Christian and you can pick and choose what you want to believe. As far as I am concerned you can pick as choose exactly what you want to......Just do NOT try to lay your beliefs on me or anyone else. You do not have that right. I will repeat once more, under Canadian law, Christian beliefs the unborn are only of value to those who CHOOSE bear them.

By the way, I am probably more Canadian than you. I am a Canadian citizen and very proud of it. I was born in Canada, lived here all my life and my great grandmother was Indian. So when are you going to apologize??
 
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Why bring the "bible" into this? I have never brought the "bible" into any of my arguments concerning abortion. As a matter of fact, in other discussions, I have stated that the "bible" is and was written by man with "man's" twists and spins on interpretation. So I really don't care what "your" interpretation of a centuries old book that has been rewritten over and over again to serve an agenda. I'm talking about the murder of a human life for no more than the selfish wants of another individual.


And quite often by Shepherds imbibing at the Local after a hard day in the fields.
 

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So you are not a Christian and you can pick and choose what you want to believe. As far as I am concerned you can pick as choose exactly what you want to......Just do NOT try to lay your beliefs on me or anyone else. You do not have that right. I will repeat once more, under Canadian law, Christian beliefs the unborn are only of value to those who CHOOSE bear them.

By the way, I am probably more Canadian than you. I am a Canadian citizen and very proud of it. I was born in Canada, lived here all my life and my great grandmother was Indian. So when are you going to apologize??

gerryh apologize? I wish you luck with that.
 
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