Wynnetario urged to cancel water bottlers permit

[petros]

That's f-cking hilarious to think the great Lakes will be drained by bottling water.

It like Nestlé in BC freaking people out. They are merely cashing in on the 4ft of rain every year in the Fraser Valley.

Interesting link. For us RO would work because we are on a deep well in a relatively remote ares.but have a high mineral content. NOT the system for polluted water. But there others besides chlorine that work.

There is a bottling plant a few miles down the road from us. All for export. Except what the local fire depts. get sometimes for free or at a low price. Labels are in Chinese or Japanese. They just expanded and there has been no public outcry.

Ozone and electrolytics will give you clean iron free water. BUT!!! People not drinking "hard water" are the ones needing to take calcium and iron supplements.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

That's f-cking hilarious to think the great Lakes will be drained by bottling water.

As opposed to them being drained naturally. Hey, there's a cause for the evironuts, lobby hard to have the Law of Gravity repealed, should keep them busy for a while.

 

[Jinentonix]

Proof that greenies really are stupid. If the government charged more for the water it would just be added to the end price which means the consumers pay the excess taxes. Since virtually everyone uses bottled water at some point, especially in cities because their chemical water isn't fit to drink, where would all the yuppies get their water if not for Nestle?

Tests done all over have demonstrated that bottle water is not better than tap water, and often times of lower quality than tap water.
Yes, there are some municipalities that have horrible smelling and/or tasting water, I've lived in a couple of them. But the problem is, when you put water into plastic bottles, you actually devalue the water. There is NO value added to bottled water. And that's where people get stupid. They'll pay $1.50 for a bottle of water that's no better and likely of lower quality than the water you pay pennies on the gallon for out of your tap.
One test in Montreal found that out of the 10 most popular bottle water brands,7 of them were of lower quality than Montreal tap water.
Toronto is no different. Yuppie idiots guzzling back plastic bottles of water by the millions and yet Toronto tap water is perfectly fine and again, of higher quality than several of the bottled water brands.

NO company should be allowed to take trillions of liters of water from a community just to ship it thousands of miles away so some yuppie in California can drink it. Water is an essential resource for life. Unfortunately, it's been cheapened to become little more than just another commodity.

 

[petros]

As opposed to them being drained naturally. Hey, there's a cause for the evironuts, lobby hard to have the Law of Gravity repealed, should keep them busy for a while.

If they drain Superior it'll flow backwards with the help of a massive hemp wick.

Ecofascists have solutions for everything.

 

[Jinentonix]

That's f-cking hilarious to think the great Lakes will be drained by bottling water.

Um, this may come as a shock to you but very few communities in Ontario actually draw their water from the Great Lakes and neither do the bottling companies. They get their water primarily from aquifers and springs.

 

[petros]

Um, this may come as a shock to you but very few communities in Ontario actually draw their water from the Great Lakes and neither do the bottling companies. They get their water primarily from from aquifers and springs.

Springs and aquifers connected to which of the 5 freshwater seas?

Get a giant hemp wick (pipelines are bad) and get the excess water out of Lake Manitoba and send it east. Devils Lake in ND too.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Tests done all over have demonstrated that bottle water is not better than tap water, and often times of lower quality than tap water.

NO company should be allowed to take trillions of liters of water from a community just to ship it thousands of miles away so some yuppie in California can drink it. Water is an essential resource for life. Unfortunately, it's been cheapened to become little more than just another commodity.

My biggest issue is with the bottles themselves where in some locales, such as NS, where there is no incentive to return them, they litter the highways and neighbourhoods like Tim's cups. We are supplied with bottled water at work because of convenience but they are not disposed of properly, they go out with the trash.


On your second note, it depends on the source; if the water is just going to go back into the ground or into the ocean or otherwise be lost, why not collect it and sell it? It would be different if you were draining a lake or diverting a river but I would have no issue with bulk transportation of water from the great lakes since the water is headed for the Atlantic anyway. And by the time it is downstream of Montreal it is no longer potable.

Springs and aquifers connected to which of the 5 freshwater seas?

Get a giant hemp wick (pipelines are bad) and get the excess water out of Lake Manitoba and send it east. Devils Lake in ND too.

The water in Manitoba has already gone through ND, and considering the water in Lake Manitoba, I think it would be just mean to send it anywhere else than the Arctic Ocean, where it is headed anyway.

 

[tay]

If only she would get as tough on them financially as she does on residential hydro costs ......


Ontario is proposing to charge water-bottling companies a little over $500 per million litres, up from the current fee of just a few dollars.

Public outcry erupted last year over the small fee of $3.71 that the province currently charges for every million litres on all water-taking permits.

A government source says a proposal to increase the charge to $503.71 per million litres for water-bottling companies who take from groundwater will be posted this morning on the regulatory registry for a mandatory 60-day comment period.

The government is still reviewing other types of water-taking permits, such as ones for industrial purposes.

Ontario proposes higher water bottler fee

 

[Danbones]

Tests done all over have demonstrated that bottle water is not better than tap water, and often times of lower quality than tap water.
NO company should be allowed to take trillions of liters of water from a community just to ship it thousands of miles away so some yuppie in California can drink it. Water is an essential resource for life. Unfortunately, it's been cheapened to become little more than just another commodity.

Meanwhile the whole California resevoir system loses about a third of its water on the way to it's destination
but why fix it?
gotta keep that ENRON business model market thirsty
that's where the profits are

 

[tay]

$500.00 per million is still way too cheap. It won't do eff all to help Ontario's debt. As I outlined above go to 10 or even 5 cents a bottle. Let the users pay for it..........

 

[taxslave]

$500.00 per million is still way too cheap. It won't do eff all to help Ontario's debt. As I outlined above go to 10 or even 5 cents a bottle. Let the users pay for it..........

But water is a human right. Ask any SJW. All you are paying for is processing and distribution.

 

[tay]

Wow. This Toronto Star article certainly starts out biased. It is indeed a drop in the bucket...........


It’s not a drop in the bucket.

The Ontario government has made it official by announcing fees for bottlers of water will jump from $3.71 for a million litres of groundwater taken to $503.71 per million litres, later this summer.

“This increased fee, along with the other measures we’ve taken, will help increase groundwater protection and scientific understanding of how to best manage this vital resource,” Environment and Climate Change Minister Glen Murray said in a statement Thursday.

“As the impacts from climate change become more prevalent, Ontario is taking action to ensure water resources are better protected and that we have the best science available,” said Murray.

Premier Kathleen Wynne’s government wants to discourage use of bottled water, which creates around 180 times more greenhouse gas emissions than tap water due to the use of plastic bottles and the fuel used to ship it to market.

“I really think we need to look at the culture around bottled water. Why are we all drinking water out of bottles when most of us don’t need to?” Wynne said in an interview with The Canadian Press last December.

“Do all of us need to be using bottled water? I think we need to have a bigger look at the whole industry, and our role in regulating it,” she said.

Wynne was moved to act after Nestle Waters Canada bought a well that Centre Wellington township had hoped to use to sate that growing community’s thirst.

Nestle has permits to take up to 3.6 million litres a day from its well in Aberfoyle, where it has a bottling plant, and another 1.1 million litres a day from Erin.

Each year, Canadian consumers spend around $2.5 billion on bottled water — that’s 71 litres for every man, woman, and child in the country — even though most of the country, with the notable exception of some remote Indigenous communities, enjoys clean, safe tap water.


https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...bottlers-of-water-jump-from-371-to-50371.html

 

[Walter]

The dyke=bith doesn't want any jobs in the province.

 

[Danbones]

lol, In the states (in the WAPO) they are calling the ground subsidence (sinking) from such water use "Sea rise from global warming."

That's f-cking hilarious to think the great Lakes will be drained by bottling water.

It like Nestlé in BC freaking people out. They are merely cashing in on the 4ft of rain every year in the Fraser Valley.



Ozone and electrolytics will give you clean iron free water. BUT!!! People not drinking "hard water" are the ones needing to take calcium and iron supplements.

see above

 

[tay]

The world’s largest bottled water company is sucking millions of litres of water from two Canadian towns on expired permits, a government official told VICE News, in a move enraging environmentalists who say Nestlé is getting a pass to profit from a public resource and contributing to plastic pollution.

Switzerland-based Nestlé, for its part, says it donates tens of thousands of dollars to community groups in Canadian towns where it operates wells and bottling facilities and that its permits expired because of complicated changes to water management rules imposed by the Ontario government earlier this year.

Environmentalists in the Town of Erin, 80 km northwest of Toronto, and Aberfoyle, south of Guelph, Ontario,want authorities to prohibit Nestlé from taking any more water until it has the proper permits. But government officials have resisted those calls.
Nestlé is currently extracting about five million litres per day from the sites where its permits have expired, according to Emma Lui, water campaigner for the Council of Canadians advocacy group.

It’s unclear when the permitting situation will be resolved. The Ontario government has imposed a moratorium on new permits for extracting water for bottling until January 2019. Nestlé said it is not considering “further actions” until that ban is lifted.

more

https://news.vice.com/story/nestle-...ns-on-expired-permits?utm_source=viceredditca

Michigan lawmaker wants to charge Nestlé $20M a year for water extraction

A Michigan lawmaker wants big companies like Nestlé to pay up for the millions of gallons of water they're extracting from a state still dealing with the ramifications of a deadly water crisis.

"We all have to live here after Nestlé is done poaching the water, and I don't think it's fair, I don't think it's right," Peter Lucido, the Republican representative for Detroit.

Lucido has proposed a bill that would levy a five cents per gallon (3.8 litres) on bottled water companies operating in the state.

Nestlé opposes the fee, saying it sustains hundreds of jobs in Michigan while being responsible for a small fraction of the state's water usage. It currently pays a $200 US per year paperwork fee for each facility it operates in the state.

Michigan lawmaker wants to charge Nestlé $20M a year for water extraction - Home | As It Happens | CBC Radio

 

[Jinentonix]

My biggest issue is with the bottles themselves where in some locales, such as NS, where there is no incentive to return them, they litter the highways and neighbourhoods like Tim's cups. We are supplied with bottled water at work because of convenience but they are not disposed of properly, they go out with the trash.


On your second note, it depends on the source; if the water is just going to go back into the ground or into the ocean or otherwise be lost, why not collect it and sell it? It would be different if you were draining a lake or diverting a river but I would have no issue with bulk transportation of water from the great lakes since the water is headed for the Atlantic anyway. And by the time it is downstream of Montreal it is no longer potable.

Ah yes, but it's not just about the water. There's a stream out back where I live that flows into Lake Ontario. People used to catch trout and salmon in there. But, up at the stream source there's a water bottling company sucking out the water so fast that in less than a decade, the stream has gotten so low that no fish of any kind can be found in it anymore. It's no longer a stream, it's just a muddy trickle of water.

I wonder how many other fish spawning grounds have been destroyed by water bottlers.

 

[tay]

For decades, Nestlé has been pumping tens of millions of gallons of water each year out of the mountains of Southern California, then bottling it as Arrowhead Mountain Spring Water.

The bottled water generates millions of dollars in sales each year for Nestlé, but state officials now say the Swiss food giant has been taking far more water than it had the rights to. That conclusion, presented in a report this week from the State Water Resources Control Board, may ultimately require Nestlé to dramatically reduce the amount of water it takes from the San Bernardino National Forest, and represents a victory for critics who raised alarm about the operation during California’s recent crushing drought.

Nestlé’s claim to the water in the mountains of Southern California dates back to 1865, when a man built a health spa in the area. Those rights were transferred to different organizations for decades until they ultimately fell into the hands of the bottled water company.

Nestlé has defended its use of the water, pointing to a number of rulings and agreements over decades that it says give it the rights to continue collecting water, including a case in 1931, the report states.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrymp...rights-to-take?utm_term=.re05zyJ3j#.rhWlM1LYo