Bring back the death penalty.

Machjo

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Very very uncommon. Addiction is a process. They may have liked the first few times but that was choice. Physical addiction takes time.

I've just read up on opium.org. For some it may require a couple of weeks of regular use. So there's the time frame. From first time to a couple of weeks. Still fast.
 

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According to Statistics Canada, close to 50% of Canadians between the ages of 16 and 65 is functionally literate in neither official language.

Okay, that could include drug dealers too. Maybe a first offence could simply require drug school to make him aware of how harmful these drugs are, but a second offence should set him as an example to others.

Also, consider peer pressure in teenage years. And adults suffering depression, etc. To say we should be free to sell narcotics at the checkout counter at the grocery store is ridiculous. China after the opium wars gives a clear example of what happens once it's legalized (albeit imposed by a foreign power with military backing in China's case). Opium addiction had reached epidemic proportions.

And what about all the legal drugs that doctors push? There are far more people addicted to government approved drugs than illegal ones. And many of those government approved drugs are much more dangerous.
 

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And what about all the legal drugs that doctors push? There are far more people addicted to government approved drugs than illegal ones. And many of those government approved drugs are much more dangerous.


Perhaps there are lots of doctors "pushing" drugs, but over the years having several physicians, I don't recall one that "pushed" drugs and pretty well all w/o exception took the opposite approach.
 

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Perhaps there are lots of doctors "pushing" drugs, but over the years having several physicians, I don't recall one that "pushed" drugs and pretty well all w/o exception took the opposite approach.



You haven't figured it out yet? Taxslave only spouts talking points. He only spouts innuendo and fear mongering. It is his modus operandi. Facts never enter into his scenarios.


As you have, so have I had multiple physicians over the years, and like you, have not had any push narcotic drugs. When I have had to have 3 copy prescriptions, they have been careful how much they prescribed and monitored me.

Now, with that being said, are there unscrupulous Doctors? I'm sure there are, as there are unscrupulous people in every walk of life. To tar all for the actions of the few, shows how small minded he is.
 

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You haven't figured it out yet? Taxslave only spouts talking points. He only spouts innuendo and fear mongering. It is his modus operandi. Facts never enter into his scenarios.


As you have, so have I had multiple physicians over the years, and like you, have not had any push narcotic drugs. When I have had to have 3 copy prescriptions, they have been careful how much they prescribed and monitored me.

Now, with that being said, are there unscrupulous Doctors? I'm sure there are, as there are unscrupulous people in every walk of life. To tar all for the actions of the few, shows how small minded he is.


You could be right, Gerry, but I just don't see much point in arguing with other people's "experiences" real or imagined- just best to present an alternative contrary to theirs.
 

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Perhaps there are lots of doctors "pushing" drugs, but over the years having several physicians, I don't recall one that "pushed" drugs and pretty well all w/o exception took the opposite approach.
Don't know about up there, but down hereabouts the Drug Enforcement Agency approved the production of eight billion doses of opioids last year for domestic consumption. That's a month's supply for every man, woman, child, he-male, she-male, womon, hermaphrodite, asexual, trans, and illegal alien in the U.S.

How could that possibly be a problem? Well, it isn't for the drug industry and its wholly-owned subsidiary, the drug enforcement industry.
 

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I think there should be death penalty for murder.


DEFINITELY- in a certain few cases eg. those two A$$holes in Ontario a couple of years ago who murdered the little girl on her way home from school.....................and slow with a hot branding iron!
 

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You haven't figured it out yet? Taxslave only spouts talking points. He only spouts innuendo and fear mongering. It is his modus operandi. Facts never enter into his scenarios.


As you have, so have I had multiple physicians over the years, and like you, have not had any push narcotic drugs. When I have had to have 3 copy prescriptions, they have been careful how much they prescribed and monitored me.

Now, with that being said, are there unscrupulous Doctors? I'm sure there are, as there are unscrupulous people in every walk of life. To tar all for the actions of the few, shows how small minded he is.

Another know nothing heard from. It is not just narcotics but the whole laundry list of drugs Big Pharma produces. How about an anti depressant that causes suicidal tenancies? Bet you like that one. Or an arthritis drug that destroys your stomach? And for bonus points causes heart attacks as a side benefit. But they are legal and even paid for by the system.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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DEFINITELY- in a certain few cases eg. those two A$$holes in Ontario a couple of years ago who murdered the little girl on her way home from school.....................and slow with a hot branding iron!
If you're uneasy with the death penalty for all first-degree murder, you may want to follow the example of some U.S. states. Some of them have "special circumstances" murder, which is a sentencing guideline saying you should go from life to death only when the murder was accompanied by torture or inhumane treatment, or the victim was a first responder, a child, or otherwise uniquely vulnerable.

Other states, like Virginia, have a separate crime called "capital murder" which is above even first-degree murder, and calls for the death penalty. Capital murder is. . .

1. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of any person in the commission of abduction, as defined in § 18.2-48, when such abduction was committed with the intent to extort money or a pecuniary benefit or with the intent to defile the victim of such abduction;
2. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of any person by another for hire;
3. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of any person by a prisoner confined in a state or local correctional facility as defined in § 53.1-1, or while in the custody of an employee thereof;
4. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of any person in the commission of robbery or attempted robbery;
5. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of any person in the commission of, or subsequent to, rape or attempted rape, forcible sodomy or attempted forcible sodomy or object sexual penetration;
6. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of a law-enforcement officer as defined in § 9.1-1011, a fire marshal appointed pursuant to § 27-30 or a deputy or an assistant fire marshal appointed pursuant to § 27-36, when such fire marshal or deputy or assistant fire marshal has police powers as set forth in §§ 27-34.2 and 27-34.2:1, an auxiliary police officer appointed or provided for pursuant to §§ 15.2-1731 and 15.2-1733, an auxiliary deputy sheriff appointed pursuant to § 15.2-1603, or any law-enforcement officer of another state or the United States having the power to arrest for a felony under the laws of such state or the United States, when such killing is for the purpose of interfering with the performance of his official duties;
7. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of more than one person as a part of the same act or transaction;
8. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of more than one person within a three-year period;
9. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of any person in the commission of or attempted commission of a violation of § 18.2-248, involving a Schedule I or II controlled substance, when such killing is for the purpose of furthering the commission or attempted commission of such violation;
10. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of any person by another pursuant to the direction or order of one who is engaged in a continuing criminal enterprise as defined in subsection I of § 18.2-248;
11. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of a pregnant woman by one who knows that the woman is pregnant and has the intent to cause the involuntary termination of the woman’s pregnancy without a live birth;
12. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of a person under the age of fourteen by a person age twenty-one or older;
13. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of any person by another in the commission of or attempted commission of an act of terrorism as defined in § 18.2-46.4;
14. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of a justice of the Supreme Court, a judge of the Court of Appeals, a judge of a circuit court or district court, a retired judge sitting by designation or under temporary recall, or a substitute judge appointed under § 16.1-69.9:1 when the killing is for the purpose of interfering with his official duties as a judge; and
15. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of any witness in a criminal case after a subpoena has been issued for such witness by the court, the clerk, or an attorney, when the killing is for the purpose of interfering with the person’s duties in such case.
 

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I was being sarcastic. Government has no business in the alcohol,gambling, or any other such industry. It's a conflict of interest.
Ah, well fair enough then. ;-)

Perhaps there are lots of doctors "pushing" drugs, but over the years having several physicians, I don't recall one that "pushed" drugs and pretty well all w/o exception took the opposite approach.
Nooooo kidding. Since my crash I've had only two doctors give me a script for narcotic based pain killers. Which also gives me mixed feelings. Percaset for example isn't always effective and makes me vomit about half the time. Oxys, on the other hand, are very effective but they have a 100% chance of making me vomit. Hell, one night I took one before bed to avoid the tummy fun. Work up the next morning and within minutes, I was puking. Damn stuff. The other problem with oxys is I look and feel like a junkie on them. So again, while they work really well for me, they also give me "the bugs", where I'm near constantly scratching my face, neck, shoulders, arms. Ugh!

I do find it ironic though that my current doctor won't prescribe me oxys because I might get addicted, but the cocktail of medications he does prescribe for me will still fast track me to kidney and liver failure. At least they work though.
 

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Ah, well fair enough then. ;-)


Nooooo kidding. Since my crash I've had only two doctors give me a script for narcotic based pain killers. Which also gives me mixed feelings. Percaset for example isn't always effective and makes me vomit about half the time. Oxys, on the other hand, are very effective but they have a 100% chance of making me vomit. Hell, one night I took one before bed to avoid the tummy fun. Work up the next morning and within minutes, I was puking. Damn stuff. The other problem with oxys is I look and feel like a junkie on them. So again, while they work really well for me, they also give me "the bugs", where I'm near constantly scratching my face, neck, shoulders, arms. Ugh!

I do find it ironic though that my current doctor won't prescribe me oxys because I might get addicted, but the cocktail of medications he does prescribe for me will still fast track me to kidney and liver failure. At least they work though.

Your mention of the scratches was interesting. I'd read one withdrawal symptoms from opiods is that the skin gets itchy all over, along with vomiting. And that's just on oxys. Now agine on heroin. Ouch.

I like the way they do not in Singapore and Taiwan. They have signs everywhere at their customs checkpoints making it unambiguously clear that the Importation of drugs is a capital offence.

I could just imagine a smuggler reading the signs as he gets off the plane... Gulp!

What might work for Canada would be to decriminalise the possession and consumption of narcotics but make their Importation, sale, and distribution without proper authorisation a capital offence.
 

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The only place where the death penalty is appropriate is sexual abuse of children.

So, someone plants a bomb and kills 20 innocent people, some of whom suffer immensely before they die, no death penalty? Why not?
Not capable of logical thought are you?
 

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So, someone plants a bomb and kills 20 innocent people, some of whom suffer immensely before they die, no death penalty? Why not?
Not capable of logical thought are you?

Imagine how many lives a drug trafficker can ruin. Some people have gotten hooked to opiods on the first try, and sometimes prescription opiods to boot. But it doesn't take long before the prescription stuff just doesn't suffice and they quickly move on to heroin.
 

gerryh

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Another know nothing heard from. It is not just narcotics but the whole laundry list of drugs Big Pharma produces. How about an anti depressant that causes suicidal tenancies? Bet you like that one. Or an arthritis drug that destroys your stomach? And for bonus points causes heart attacks as a side benefit. But they are legal and even paid for by the system.


and one has the choice of refusing said drugs. That would mean, however, doing a little bit of work and researching what is being RECOMMENDED.


I know, I know, I used the "w" word. Something you are probably not very accustomed to.
 

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Did anyone hold a gun to her head and force her to take the drugs? People have to be held responsible for their actions not look for someone else to blame.
Clearly one of the stupidest comments ever made on these forums.
 

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Having thought about it more, we'd probably want to limit the death penalty to sale or distribution and not merely Importation. It can happen at times that a person honestly did not know what was in his luggage for example.

But for sale or distribution, if the person can be held crinally responsible and knew what he was doing, then yes he should be eradicated.

As to Taxslave's comment, a person can unwittingly become addicted to a prescribed opioid, not necessarily his fault.

But if the doctor had been more cautious in prescribing it and there weren't heroin pushers out there, no problem. Opioids are a hellbof an addiction.

Meth I don't know, maybe not quite as addictive as opioids, but still.