The Official Canadian Electoral Reform Thread

Which would you choose among the OP's options?

  • 1.

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • 2.

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • 3.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 5.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 6.

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • 7.

    Votes: 3 42.9%

  • Total voters
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mentalfloss

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Electoral Referendum in Canada? FAT CHANCE after Brexit.

And so we had to learn the hard way that the Rob Fords of this world are more harmful than the elitists in the white ivory towers that they hate so much.

Way to go 'regular people'.


A referendum on electoral change in Canada? After the Brexit vote, fat chance

If there was ever a chance Justin Trudeau’s Liberals would consent to hold a referendum on their plan to junk Canada’s electoral system and replace it with something new and unfamiliar, it almost certainly died Thursday when the great Brexit debacle emerged.

Britain’s vote on Europe contained all the elements that frightened Trudeau and his advisers in the first place. Referendums are unpredictable. They are hard to control. They upset the most carefully-laid plans, and spoil cherished agendas. There’s a real chance you might lose.

Referendums take democracy and put it in the hands of the public, and — despite what they may say — politicians are deeply wary of the crazy ideas that can slip unobserved into the unsuspecting minds of the public. If the British vote proved anything, it confirmed that people form opinions for all sorts of crazy reasons: they don’t like immigrants, they dislike change, they feel neglected, they’re unimpressed with their leaders … or maybe they just got out of the wrong side of the bed that morning and feel in the mood for a little creative disruption.

The overwhelming majority of experts advised Britain’s public to reject the scare tactics of the “leave” campaign and vote with their heads. Academics, business leaders, financial gurus, respected pundits, the President of the United States … they all said it was a bad idea to quit Europe. Not just bad, but self-defeating: abandoning Europe would lead to fewer jobs and higher taxes, and possibly the break-up of the kingdom itself. Their advice was loud and clear: Don’t do it! It’s a bad idea!

They did it anyway.

Canada’s Democratic Institutions Minister Maryam Monsef and Liberal House Leader Dominic LeBlanc must have shared a mutual reaction as they watched the results: if this is what happens when you hold a referendum, let’s not hold any referendums.

Kelly McParland: A referendum on electoral change in Canada? After the Brexit vote, fat chance
 
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Danbones

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Re: Electoral Referendum in Canada? FAT CHANCE after Brexit.

and the taint of democracy shalt not touch our meat
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mentalfloss

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And after Brexit, it looks like I was right.

Referendums on complex issues should not be held without proper consultation.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Re: Signs Liberals may be wavering on electoral reform

How would woman and minorities be excluded from a referendum? They will get 1 vote like everybody. As for young people, if you want to include the brainless pubescent twits just lower the voting age. But they made it 18 for a reason.
That reason being. . .?
 

Locutus

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buncha uneasy-to-find threads merged into an electoral reform topic. we'll probably find more but it's easier to find related posts when yakkin' about the whole sordid mess.if ya find more, let us know. thx.
 

pgs

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Re: Electoral Referendum in Canada? FAT CHANCE after Brexit.

And so we had to learn the hard way that the Rob Fords of this world are more harmful than the elitists in the white ivory towers that they hate so much.

Way to go 'regular people'.


A referendum on electoral change in Canada? After the Brexit vote, fat chance

If there was ever a chance Justin Trudeau’s Liberals would consent to hold a referendum on their plan to junk Canada’s electoral system and replace it with something new and unfamiliar, it almost certainly died Thursday when the great Brexit debacle emerged.

Britain’s vote on Europe contained all the elements that frightened Trudeau and his advisers in the first place. Referendums are unpredictable. They are hard to control. They upset the most carefully-laid plans, and spoil cherished agendas. There’s a real chance you might lose.

Referendums take democracy and put it in the hands of the public, and — despite what they may say — politicians are deeply wary of the crazy ideas that can slip unobserved into the unsuspecting minds of the public. If the British vote proved anything, it confirmed that people form opinions for all sorts of crazy reasons: they don’t like immigrants, they dislike change, they feel neglected, they’re unimpressed with their leaders … or maybe they just got out of the wrong side of the bed that morning and feel in the mood for a little creative disruption.

The overwhelming majority of experts advised Britain’s public to reject the scare tactics of the “leave” campaign and vote with their heads. Academics, business leaders, financial gurus, respected pundits, the President of the United States … they all said it was a bad idea to quit Europe. Not just bad, but self-defeating: abandoning Europe would lead to fewer jobs and higher taxes, and possibly the break-up of the kingdom itself. Their advice was loud and clear: Don’t do it! It’s a bad idea!

They did it anyway.

Canada’s Democratic Institutions Minister Maryam Monsef and Liberal House Leader Dominic LeBlanc must have shared a mutual reaction as they watched the results: if this is what happens when you hold a referendum, let’s not hold any referendums.

Kelly McParland: A referendum on electoral change in Canada? After the Brexit vote, fat chance
So you are in favor of a political union with America then ?
 

JLM

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What could be more clear... The UK is out of the EU after a referendum. :lol:

Perhaps you misunderstood his post.


Guess I should have written it in purple, sorry! I'm getting the feeling that five minutes after the referendum was tallied, some voters were in doubt as to the validity of their vote. Some people are just like kids, they are better off doing as they are told! :) :)
 

EagleSmack

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Guess I should have written it in purple, sorry!

Why would you need purple. The referendum could not be any clearer.

I'm getting the feeling that five minutes after the referendum was tallied, some voters were in doubt as to the validity of their vote.

The vote was valid and confirmed. The UK is out of the EU. You can't be any clearer.

Some people are just like kids, they are better off doing as they are told! :) :)

I know some people agree! Democracy is bad when a lib doesn't get his way.

I suggest a referendum on assaulting members of Parliament.

A new policy?
 

EagleSmack

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Flossy's side got battered... he jumped on the Liberal bandwagon after the NDP got dope slapped.

Canada should have many MANY voter referendums on many policies.