Gun Control is Completely Useless.

bluebyrd35

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Gun control is completely useless?? It depends, the 50 murdered in Orlando this weekend should have been packing, but then if there was more control, Omar, the terrorist might not have been able to get the guns he used, who knows anymore.

Sorry Remington, I agree with you.

A rifle which can fire up to 600 rounds per minute and you want to have a couple of people with a pistol fire on him?? Good lord, how asinine.

Orlando gunman used AR-15 assault rifle to kill his victims - the weapon of choice for mass shooters Do you really think a couple of people pulling out their pistols/hand guns and carefully aiming would have taken him down?? He managed to kill 50 & wound 53, and you think a hand gun or 10 would have changed a thing?? Oh yes it probably would have, even more people would have died!!

Knowing how many carry in Florida, I would be very surprised to learn, if there weren't several who were carrying a weapon, who never had a chance to even get it out of their pocket. In any case, it would take another gunman carrying the same sort of weapon to counteract such a weapon. So, do you advocate everyone start carrying AR-15 assault rifles?? AWKKK... Give me a break.

I like, sticking the gun manufacturers with the responsibility making sure where such weapons end up. But that will never happen.
 
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gerryh

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Sorry Remington, I agree with you.

A rifle which can fire up to 600 rounds per minute and you want to have a couple of people with a pistol fire on him?? Good lord, how asinine.

Orlando gunman used AR-15 assault rifle to kill his victims - the weapon of choice for mass shooters Do you really think a couple of people pulling out their pistols/hand guns and carefully aiming would have taken him down?? He managed to kill 50 & wound 53, and you think a hand gun or 10 would have changed a thing?? Oh yes it probably would have, even more people would have died!!

Knowing how many carry in Florida, I would be very surprised to learn, if there weren't several who were carrying a weapon, who never had a chance to even get it out of their pocket. In any case, it would take another gunman carrying the same sort of weapon to counteract such a weapon. So, do you advocate everyone start carrying AR-15 assault rifles?? AWKKK... Give me a break.

I like, sticking the gun manufacturers with the responsibility making sure where such weapons end up. But that will never happen.


I see you chose to ignore my post concerning the gun laws in Florida. You are implying here that the ar15 used was full automatic. This would have made it a restricted weapon in Florida and as such, illegal. So, it is you that need to "give us a break".
 

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I like, sticking the gun manufacturers with the responsibility making sure where such weapons end up. But that will never happen.


Do you think perhaps it's time for an appointment to have your head looked at? What manufacturer of any product on the face of the earth is held responsible for the final possession of his product?
 

bluebyrd35

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Criminals don't obey laws! It seems some people have a hard time understanding that little fact of life!
Okay, now instead of ridiculing every possible manner of restricting certain weapons, how about putting forth, some thoughtful and decent restrictions on guns. Never would we allow a company producing cars, baby cribs, stoves, insulation, refrigerators, farm equipment to get away with turning out a product that had the possibility of wounding and killing so many citizens, BUT......every single suggestion is argued and beaten down. What is the matter with you people, you can/t really be that so suicidal and fearful of giving up what I see as a souse or comfort blanket.

AND yes we do hold companies responsible for their products. Remember asbestos??

Such blind terror of being helpless without a gun is ludicrous.

I do NOT advocate taking away your hunting rifles, or target pistols. However, those rifles and weapons that are capable of killing a small army with one or two firings, should NEVER be lost track of and the company or agency that is responsible for such a breach, must be held responsible for the damage that occurs.
 
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Okay, now instead of ridiculing every possible manner of restricting certain weapons, how about putting forth, some thoughtful and decent restrictions on guns. Never would we allow a company producing cars, baby cribs, stoves, insulation, refrigerators, farm equipment to get away with turning out a product that had the possibility of wounding and killing so many citizens, BUT......every single suggestion is argued and beaten down. What is the matter with you people, you can/t really be that so suicidal and fearful of giving up what I see as a souse or comfort blanket.

Such blind terror of being helpless without a gun is ludicrous.

I do NOT advocate taking away your hunting rifles, or target pistols. However, those rifles and weapons that are capable of killing a small army with one or two firings, should NEVER be lost track of and the company or agency that is responsible for such a breach, must be held responsible for the damage that occurs.
Posted this in another thread. Guess you missed it.


I live in the state of Maryland, one of the most restrictive states in the U.S. As it happens, I just bought a hangun. In order to do so. . .

1. I had to give (and pay for) my fingerprints and identity information to the state police, who ran a background check, and thirty days later issued me a "Handgun Qualification License" (HQL) without which I cannot legally buy a handgun in Maryland (or anywhere else. In the U.S. you can only legally buy a handgun in the state in which you reside).

2. I went on Gunbroker.com and ordered the gun from a gun shop in Oklahoma.

3. I had to give the Oklahoma gun shop the contact information for my local gun shop, because handguns (and most other guns) can only be transferred from a Federal Firearms Licensee to another FFL.

4. Yesterday evening I went to my gun shop and filled out five (5) different forms, mostly containing the same information I submitted to get my HQL, for the Federal and Maryland governments.

5. Now I wait.

6. After eight days, I can go pick up my gun.

7. I cannot get a concealed weapons permit in Maryland (they're very tightly restricted). I have non-resident permits from Utah and Florida (more fingerprints and background checks), which allow me to carry concealed in 35 states. Maryland is not one of them.

Most states are not as restrictive as Maryland, but a few are (Massachusetts, New Jersey, for example).

In the alternative I could have gone to DC or Baltimore with two or three hundred bucks in my hand and acquired a gun in a half hour. BUT. . .

If I was caught possessing that gun, I'd only be talking to you good folks during computer time at Jessup (our local prison). That's possessing AT ALL, not carrying. Carrying has additional penalties.

Sooooo. . . Maryland's laws ensure that only "honest" citizens can acquire guns legally. While this, of course, has no effect at all on career violent criminals, it does do some good in cutting down on the number of people who hurt or kill others in a fit of rage or drunkenness or craziness, who were OK (or at least not on the criminal justice radar) before said fit.

All in all, I'm pretty happy with Maryland's laws. My two major objections are some of the guns they ban for what appear to be arbitrary reasons, and the fact that having proven my lawabidingness, I still can't carry a concealed gun for my own protection.

Will "gun control" stop all gun violence? No, of course not. Countries that have extremely strict gun control (e.g., Japan and Germany, in both of which I have lived) still have gun violence. It's just a tiny fraction of the U.S.'s gun violence For me, the real questions are:

1. Will a proposed "gun control" measure actually do anything useful to control the number of guns or the people who have them?

2. How does the proposed "gun control" measure weigh against our freedoms and rights to self defense, hunting, target shooting, &c.?
 

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Posted this in another thread. Guess you missed it.


I live in the state of Maryland, one of the most restrictive states in the U.S. As it happens, I just bought a hangun. In order to do so. . .

1. I had to give (and pay for) my fingerprints and identity information to the state police, who ran a background check, and thirty days later issued me a "Handgun Qualification License" (HQL) without which I cannot legally buy a handgun in Maryland (or anywhere else. In the U.S. you can only legally buy a handgun in the state in which you reside).

2. I went on Gunbroker.com and ordered the gun from a gun shop in Oklahoma.

3. I had to give the Oklahoma gun shop the contact information for my local gun shop, because handguns (and most other guns) can only be transferred from a Federal Firearms Licensee to another FFL.

4. Yesterday evening I went to my gun shop and filled out five (5) different forms, mostly containing the same information I submitted to get my HQL, for the Federal and Maryland governments.

5. Now I wait.

6. After eight days, I can go pick up my gun.

7. I cannot get a concealed weapons permit in Maryland (they're very tightly restricted). I have non-resident permits from Utah and Florida (more fingerprints and background checks), which allow me to carry concealed in 35 states. Maryland is not one of them.

Most states are not as restrictive as Maryland, but a few are (Massachusetts, New Jersey, for example).

In the alternative I could have gone to DC or Baltimore with two or three hundred bucks in my hand and acquired a gun in a half hour. BUT. . .

If I was caught possessing that gun, I'd only be talking to you good folks during computer time at Jessup (our local prison). That's possessing AT ALL, not carrying. Carrying has additional penalties.

Sooooo. . . Maryland's laws ensure that only "honest" citizens can acquire guns legally. While this, of course, has no effect at all on career violent criminals, it does do some good in cutting down on the number of people who hurt or kill others in a fit of rage or drunkenness or craziness, who were OK (or at least not on the criminal justice radar) before said fit.

All in all, I'm pretty happy with Maryland's laws. My two major objections are some of the guns they ban for what appear to be arbitrary reasons, and the fact that having proven my lawabidingness, I still can't carry a concealed gun for my own protection.

Will "gun control" stop all gun violence? No, of course not. Countries that have extremely strict gun control (e.g., Japan and Germany, in both of which I have lived) still have gun violence. It's just a tiny fraction of the U.S.'s gun violence For me, the real questions are:

1. Will a proposed "gun control" measure actually do anything useful to control the number of guns or the people who have them?

2. How does the proposed "gun control" measure weigh against our freedoms and rights to self defense, hunting, target shooting, &c.?
There are 50 states ........and we both know that those states like Texas and Florida, do not have the same laws as Maryland. So it may be a bit safer living in Maryland, but as far as I am aware, you do not have a border between states to control the entry of restricted weapons to one that has good laws.

And LOL, don't count on have computer access from jails, Most do not allow internet access to the inmates.
 

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So it may be a bit safer living in Maryland, but as far as I am aware, you do not have a border between states to control the entry of restricted weapons to one that has good laws.
Too funny. Last I heard Baltimo is in Maryland.
 

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There are 50 states ........and we both know that those states like Texas and Florida, do not have the same laws as Maryland. So it may be a bit safer living in Maryland, but as far as I am aware, you do not have a border between states to control the entry of restricted weapons to one that has good laws.

And LOL, don't count on have computer access from jails, Most do not allow internet access to the inmates.
I would list the violent crime rates by state, but we already have ample evidence of how you respond to data that don't support your agenda, so why bother?
 

bluebyrd35

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I would list the violent crime rates by state, but we already have ample evidence of how you respond to data that don't support your agenda, so why bother?
Ahhh...yes you could but would you check out the agenda of those collecting the data?? Or the sources available to those researchers.

How did you feel about the tobacco companies who issued their stats on how safe smoking was?? It takes more than producing stats, it is about who issues them, what their agenda is and who exactly is paying for that particular survey. Tell me now how much you trust those issued by the NRA LOL. Don't assume everyone is clueless.
 

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Posted this in another thread. Guess you missed it.


I live in the state of Maryland, one of the most restrictive states in the U.S. As it happens, I just bought a hangun. In order to do so. . .

1. I had to give (and pay for) my fingerprints and identity information to the state police, who ran a background check, and thirty days later issued me a "Handgun Qualification License" (HQL) without which I cannot legally buy a handgun in Maryland (or anywhere else. In the U.S. you can only legally buy a handgun in the state in which you reside).

2. I went on Gunbroker.com and ordered the gun from a gun shop in Oklahoma.

3. I had to give the Oklahoma gun shop the contact information for my local gun shop, because handguns (and most other guns) can only be transferred from a Federal Firearms Licensee to another FFL.

4. Yesterday evening I went to my gun shop and filled out five (5) different forms, mostly containing the same information I submitted to get my HQL, for the Federal and Maryland governments.

5. Now I wait.

6. After eight days, I can go pick up my gun.

7. I cannot get a concealed weapons permit in Maryland (they're very tightly restricted). I have non-resident permits from Utah and Florida (more fingerprints and background checks), which allow me to carry concealed in 35 states. Maryland is not one of them.

Most states are not as restrictive as Maryland, but a few are (Massachusetts, New Jersey, for example).

In the alternative I could have gone to DC or Baltimore with two or three hundred bucks in my hand and acquired a gun in a half hour. BUT. . .

If I was caught possessing that gun, I'd only be talking to you good folks during computer time at Jessup (our local prison). That's possessing AT ALL, not carrying. Carrying has additional penalties.

Sooooo. . . Maryland's laws ensure that only "honest" citizens can acquire guns legally. While this, of course, has no effect at all on career violent criminals, it does do some good in cutting down on the number of people who hurt or kill others in a fit of rage or drunkenness or craziness, who were OK (or at least not on the criminal justice radar) before said fit.

All in all, I'm pretty happy with Maryland's laws. My two major objections are some of the guns they ban for what appear to be arbitrary reasons, and the fact that having proven my lawabidingness, I still can't carry a concealed gun for my own protection.

Will "gun control" stop all gun violence? No, of course not. Countries that have extremely strict gun control (e.g., Japan and Germany, in both of which I have lived) still have gun violence. It's just a tiny fraction of the U.S.'s gun violence For me, the real questions are:

1. Will a proposed "gun control" measure actually do anything useful to control the number of guns or the people who have them?

2. How does the proposed "gun control" measure weigh against our freedoms and rights to self defense, hunting, target shooting, &c.?
May I ask why you bought a handgun?
 

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Okay, now instead of ridiculing every possible manner of restricting certain weapons, how about putting forth, some thoughtful and decent restrictions on guns. Never would we allow a company producing cars, baby cribs, stoves, insulation, refrigerators, farm equipment to get away with turning out a product that had the possibility of wounding and killing so many citizens,
I do NOT advocate taking away your hunting rifles, or target pistols. However, those rifles and weapons that are capable of killing a small army with one or two firings, should NEVER be lost track of and the company or agency that is responsible for such a breach, must be held responsible for the damage that occurs.


Cars and farm equipment do kill people. You don't allow kids to have contact with potentially dangerous products adults are expected to have a brain. Guns have 4 main purposes................killing, scaring, target shooting and collecting.
 

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Cars and farm equipment do kill people. You don't allow kids to have contact with potentially dangerous products adults are expected to have a brain. Guns have 4 main purposes................killing, scaring, target shooting and collecting.
When guns aren't available the haters will use other methods any way .
911 they used airplanes into buildings . No guns there .
The Boston marathon bombers . No guns there .
Funny though there were Muslims in both instances .
 

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When guns aren't available the haters will use other methods any way .
911 they used airplanes into buildings . No guns there .
The Boston marathon bombers . No guns there .
Funny though there were Muslims in both instances .
Will you be enlisting for the war against Islamia?